Christians, like myself, believe that God has no beginning and no end. He is beyond our understanding.
Cmonkey brings up a good point though; if you believe God didn't create everything, how did this world come to be? What created everything if God didn't?
Note to MSP, don't make a fool of yourself and start yelling at everything you don't agree with. If you do reply, make a decent point.
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Good post MEEP! :biggrin:
Christians, like myself, believe that God has no beginning and no end. He is beyond our understanding.
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That is what I believe too. But still, where exactly did God come from? That is a question I think no one can answer.
There's the Big Bang theory, but where is the stuff that the big bang was created from?
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I've always thought that God created the earth by causing the big big theory to occur. Scientists have admitted to not knowing the greater force that casued it
Here is my reply, and decent point. According to the Bible, God always was, always is, and always will be. There is no way to explain this. The human mind can never understand. But we believe this because of faith. Faith is believing something when commonsence tells you not to.
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Agreed, nice point MSP :happy:
Oh please, the Bible could of been made by someone on crack. No one knows. Don't use the bible as a reason god exists.
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well if they had drugs back in that time then jesus was definately a stoner. he was always so calm and never fought back. he was a mellow fellow and must have been high all the time. see drugs can be good if george w bush was high do you think he would want to waste his time with iraq. :happy:
Yes but we christians have faith that it is. I do understand you though anyone could have made the bible to fool us..thats just not what I believe. And so you know I dont think crack was made thousands of years ago...
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Figure of speach.
Oh please, the Bible could of been made by someone on crack. No one knows. Don't use the bible as a reason god exists.
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Do you have an answer then? Christianity is based on faith. I know that God has worked on me in my own life. I have "proof" of that. I used to be like most of you. Needed proof to believe in god or any kind-of higher being. Fact is, you cant explain it, either. There is more evidence that Jesus existed than Ceaser. Its not entirely blind faith. Biblical stories to match up with historical events. I've seen God work in my life as well as others...its not something I can really explain myself..
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PS2k3 said "the person who wrote the bible could've been on crack" or something like that. Then, someone said they dont think drugs were around back then blah, blah, blah...
I too agree with MSP on this one. That was a intelligent post. Good Show!!! :biggrin:
Faith is the ultimate Catch 22. I'm starting my own religion. Yolta, the giant chicken being from the twelfth dimension has spoken through me to write these basic tenets of the Yoltarian faith.
1. Yolta has always and will always exist.
2. You must worship Yolta, always, because Yolta chooses your past, your present, and your future.
3. You cannot doubt Yolta because you think you do not see her. She is everything that is around you. You do not need proof. Yolta tells you, therefore you believe. Proof is for the blind of faith.
4. Those I speak through are the chosen ones. Never doubt thier word. They are merely vessels of my ultimate being. If you disagree with anything one of my vessels says, you will be labelled a heathen.
5. I invented the universe and created man. You cannot say I did not because you did not see the creation of the universe or the creation of man. Therefore, I am correct.
6. Yolta declares that all faiths other than Yoltarianism are heathen, and all those who worship false idols such as "God" and "Jesus" will face an eternity stuck in a Yolta's egg. All Yoltarians will face blissful eternity in the feather loft.
Im confused was that supose to be a joke?
Paige
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It's not a joke, its the truth. Yolta said it, so it is absolute truth. You are a heretic for not believing Yolta, who spoke through me.
Technically, when God cast Adam and Eve out of the garden, he sent them to live with the Others...so like....the unperfect people...or so I've been told.....haven't read it in the Bible...but then I haven't read the Bible in ages.
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Neither have I but that doesnt mean we have to stop believing. I still believe yet I havent gone to a single sermon or read the bible in about a year
Technically, when God cast Adam and Eve out of the garden, he sent them to live with the Others...so like....the unperfect people...or so I've been told.....haven't read it in the Bible...but then I haven't read the Bible in ages.
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Actually, they were the only humans in existence at that time. So he sent them out of the garden to work for their food, clothing etc. They didn't start having children until after they were cast out.
Faith is the ultimate Catch 22. I'm starting my own religion. Yolta, the giant chicken being from the twelfth dimension has spoken through me to write these basic tenets of the Yoltarian faith.
1. Yolta has always and will always exist.
2. You must worship Yolta, always, because Yolta chooses your past, your present, and your future.
3. You cannot doubt Yolta because you think you do not see her. She is everything that is around you. You do not need proof. Yolta tells you, therefore you believe. Proof is for the blind of faith.
4. Those I speak through are the chosen ones. Never doubt thier word. They are merely vessels of my ultimate being. If you disagree with anything one of my vessels says, you will be labelled a heathen.
5. I invented the universe and created man. You cannot say I did not because you did not see the creation of the universe or the creation of man. Therefore, I am correct.
6. Yolta declares that all faiths other than Yoltarianism are heathen, and all those who worship false idols such as "God" and "Jesus" will face an eternity stuck in a Yolta's egg. All Yoltarians will face blissful eternity in the feather loft.
Im confused was that supose to be a joke?
Paige
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It's not a joke, its the truth. Yolta said it, so it is absolute truth. You are a heretic for not believing Yolta, who spoke through me.
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Is this some weird evil plan you've made up? :happy:
Edso, god didn't write the bible, someone else did.
Anyways, the bible says that god is eternal, so I will hide behind that excuse.
lol, that Yolta thing is great. I have a new religion now! :)
All hail the mighty....Mortos!
You will be sent to the place beneith the overworld if:
You hug puppies
You eat a balanced diet of non-cheesy objects and cheesy objects
You drink sodas in puppy stores
You rescue children from tooth decay by eating their candy
You back up your words with material proof
You watch 2 hours of TV a day (includes video games/PC's)
You listen to music Mortos tells you to
You will be condemed to the land of eternal screaming if:
You become friends with idiots
You beleive in anyone else other than Mortos and Yolta (they're friends :D )
You DON'T watch TV for 2 hours a day
You listen to your Maths teachers
You don't back up your words with material proof
Eat a balanced diet of cheesy goods and non-cheesy goods
You don't wear cloaths Mortos wants you to
You don't listen to Mortos when he wants you to
You don't do anything Mortos wants you to
MORTOS' words:
Hurting someone else is just as bad as someone hurting you
Don't tell lies and noone will tell you lies
Don't betray me and I will never betray you
Be good and I will give you a puppy
Be very kind and I will give you a kitty
If you don't eat enough cheese, you will become weak
If you eat too much cheese, you will become fat
Mortos told me to say this. lol!
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Wow. This right here proves it. Any nutcase can make up their own religion.
So what show did this come from? Frasier maybe? Seinfeld? Pfft. Mortos can kiss my grits.
Yep, you got it. Now the question is, why do so many follow the nutcases who made up christianity.
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Exactly the point...what is there to follow? You could be wasting your life for all you know...for what?
Maybe there is no heaven or ::Dolphin Noise::.
Maybe there is no spirit realm.
Maybe there is no such thing as reencarnation.
Maybe we don't even exist.
thats not very funny.... -_- i believe in god
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If you can't respect someone else's opinion then you have no reason to come in here.
I have a question...if ya'll don't think God exists...where did Satan come from? (should that be a new topic?)
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Since I don't believe in God, I don't believe in Satan either. :blink:
The whole 'faith' thing began because of fear...people FEARED God. Which is why Jews never said God's name outloud...because he was a FEAR INSPIRING God.
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Yeah, People never want use the name. I know about only 2 that use it.
Where's your evidence to support your claim.
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Where's your evidence to support YOUR claim? :dry:
Where's your evidence to support your claim.
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Where's your evidence to support YOUR claim? :dry:
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I'll say it for MSP: "The Bible"
Sarah, can you tell me what the opposite of faith is? I can tell you. The opposite of faith is fear.
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The opposite of faith is nonsence...wait no...they're both the same thing.
Oh well.
*smashes a window with a brick*
GOD made me do it. -_-
God created the first people, right? Or it says in the Bible. I wanna know where we would be if Adam and Eve were not created. We wouldn't be here. So, therefore, God exists because he created each one of us...or our parents did <_<
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But I don't believe that happened...This makes no sense...you believed God created Adam and Eve, but only as Christianity sees it. What about aboriginal reliions here in North America...one legend is that the Earth used to be all ocean, until a turtle put mud on its back and floated to the top of the water, etc, etc....also, humans were created from mud in these faiths...so really....why must THE BIBLE be correct if there is obviously more than one religion out there?! Shouldn't the...FIRST...religion be the one treue religion?
God created the first people, right? Or it says in the Bible. I wanna know where we would be if Adam and Eve were not created. We wouldn't be here. So, therefore, God exists because he created each one of us...or our parents did <_<
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But I don't believe that happened...This makes no sense...you believed God created Adam and Eve, but only as Christianity sees it. What about aboriginal reliions here in North America...one legend is that the Earth used to be all ocean, until a turtle put mud on its back and floated to the top of the water, etc, etc....also, humans were created from mud in these faiths...so really....why must THE BIBLE be correct if there is obviously more than one religion out there?! Shouldn't the...FIRST...religion be the one treue religion?
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Yes, we do believe the first religion; Christianity! See, what happened is that they didn't write anything down until Moses came along. So, therefore, people took the truth, they passed down the truth and slowly twisted the truth into all the other religions.
Good point Garygirl. I think that Adam and Eve had another child.
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You think? They DID. They had Cain and Abel
IZ, who told you that? I don't think so, but that is a blind guess.
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Law and Order. :P
Edso, god didn't write the bible, someone else did
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Actually, God did. The Holy Spirit worked through them and inspired them.
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People created the Bible not God. Although God did speak through them to put the information into the Bible.
Edso, god didn't write the bible, someone else did
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Actually, God did. The Holy Spirit worked through them and inspired them.
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People created the Bible not God. Although God did speak through them to put the information into the Bible.
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No. God created the Bible through the people. The Holy Spirit worked through them.
Edso, god didn't write the bible, someone else did
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Actually, God did. The Holy Spirit worked through them and inspired them.
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People created the Bible not God. Although God did speak through them to put the information into the Bible.
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No. God created the Bible through the people. The Holy Spirit worked through them.
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That's what I meant I just didn't know how to say it.
Didn't Christianity start out as a cult?
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Whoever told you that is the dumbest person to walk the face of the Earth. Christianity has been around since the dawn of time, and unlike these other fake religions Christianity is the most supported religion on Earth. AND it has an actualy god. Not some lame Duckman idol :rolleyes:
Every religion beleives in different types of GOD's....each being created in it's own way...each with it's own laws.
We shouldn't HAVE to follow a religion, making someone follow one is taking away their rights.
One main law in any religion is: Though shall not kill
WRONGO!
Every religion has spilled blood in some way, therefor they broke one of the laws.
And what about: Thou shall not steal
What about the poor and the starving?
Must they die because of some words written in a book?
And it IS true that the first religion was Paganism (sp?)...since the elements have been around alot longer than the bible.
Religion still lacks one thing that science has always had...material proof.
When was the first bible written may I ask?
Tell me that first, before I research possible proof....that may be impossible.
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Poor people are poor because they are to lazy to get jobs. A majority of them brought it upon themselves. Why should we lose our money and food just because some poor bums are to lazy to work? And killing to god is just like swearing. As long as you ask for forgiveness you will be forgiven. You really need to read up on Christianity. Your knowledge on the subject is quite limited as I can tell.
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My second cousin lives in Montreal on welfare. Why?! Because he is handicapped. He is not CAPABLE of working a fulltime job to the workplaces requirements, yet he is not so handicapped that he can not live on his own. Now, on the other hand, my uncle is on welfare because is IS a lazy bum. My cousin is NOT too lazy to get a job. He mixes French and English together when talking and writing, because he grew up in...Montreal....a town with an equal amount of French and English. That's the extent of the handicap. He can't tell the difference between the two languages and gets them confused. He can barely write, and his writing is barely legible. It's not HIS fault he ended up the way he is, so why should HE have to suffer because of people like you who only care for themselves?
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As for Christianity always being here from the beginning...that is YOUR blindness and NOT history's blindness. The first religions WERE pagan. It's not my fault, or Sarah's fault that YOU haven't studied up on world religions.
God is real. I don't think we should talk about him.
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That's because someone might find out the truth if we talk. You guys don't want that to happen.
God is real. I don't think we should talk about him.
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That's because someone might find out the truth if we talk. You guys don't want that to happen.
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You have no way of knowing for sure that your way is the truth. We can't prove God exists and you cannot prove he doesn't. That is all there is too it.
My second cousin lives in Montreal on welfare. Why?! Because he is handicapped. He is not CAPABLE of working a fulltime job to the workplaces requirements, yet he is not so handicapped that he can not live on his own. Now, on the other hand, my uncle is on welfare because is IS a lazy bum. My cousin is NOT too lazy to get a job. He mixes French and English together when talking and writing, because he grew up in...Montreal....a town with an equal amount of French and English. That's the extent of the handicap. He can't tell the difference between the two languages and gets them confused. He can barely write, and his writing is barely legible. It's not HIS fault he ended up the way he is, so why should HE have to suffer because of people like you who only care for themselves?
That is quite a different situation, true. Welfare was intended for people like your cousin, not Bubba Joe (or your uncle, no offense) down the street who wants to sit around guzzeling beer all day. Bubba Joe chooses to be poor whereas your cousin can't help his situation. There is no reason in the world why I should have my money stolen to support Bubba Joe. Now, your cousin, yeah, I'd be more than willing to help him out through more than just my tax money. There should be more lots restrictions on welfare I think; it should be saved for those who truly need it. Definitely both sides should be shown more often.
IM going to throw a tantrum here for no apparant reason.
Look at what happened after the Tidle Wave in Tailand (sp?), that was a sheer force of the most powerful thing in existance.
NATURE.
The Earth is what we should be respecting, isn't it good enought that our own home is alive and is our friend?
And how do we repay it?
Poluting the atmosphere is not a nice thank you, digging holes constantly into the ground is being cruel to the planet.
But to make matters worse, the planet will hit us all hard from all the rubbish we have thrown at it.
Prepair for the next ice age! The true extinction event for all humanity!
I say, if the planet is not happy, it kills the source of the problem.
Volcanic erruptions, tornadoes, tidal waves, earthquakes. ect
Natural disasters are showing our planet is still alive and active, if none of these ever happened, we would have the right to panic.
Science, my friends, is the true proof of existance.
Faith has no existance in science, that is why it is far more sucessful.
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Wow!!! My thoughts ALMOST exactly!!! YES! The Earth is definitely mad, but humans are too arrogant to realize it. Why try and show them? shrugs* I tried...I think I'm gonna give up.
check this out, someone commits suicide every 10 seconds.
Someone dies of natural causes every minute.
Someone is born every 30 seconds.
It's something like that.
Yes I hate myself, I torture myself mentally and physically.
I thought of suicide for a moment, then I thought better.
I can just show my bleeding wrists to retards and say this is what life does to you.
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I have no idea where you got those statistics, but they are wrong. There are approximately 4 babies born every second around the world.
Slightly under 2 people die every second of any cause around the world.
According to the World Health Organization, a suicide occurs every 40 seconds. That means approximately 2% of the deaths each year are suicides.
Anyway, self-mutilation shouldn't be the solution to anger or depression.
check this out, someone commits suicide every 10 seconds.
Someone dies of natural causes every minute.
Someone is born every 30 seconds.
It's something like that.
Yes I hate myself, I torture myself mentally and physically.
I thought of suicide for a moment, then I thought better.
I can just show my bleeding wrists to retards and say this is what life does to you.
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I have no idea where you got those statistics, but they are wrong. There are approximately 4 babies born every second around the world.
Slightly under 2 people die every second of any cause around the world.
According to the World Health Organization, a suicide occurs every 40 seconds. That means approximately 2% of the deaths each year are suicides.
Anyway, self-mutilation shouldn't be the solution to anger or depression.
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cmonkey is right (well alot of people think he is always right :biggrin:) why torture youre yourself I dont like ALOT of humans but thats no reason to torture yourself
God, created the sun, the earth, and everything else. And I don't think you'll be dying and turning into an animal any time soon. When you die, you're body will become part of the Earth, but you won't turn into an animal. You can't say that's more believable than the Bible. Besides, there's been proofs of Biblical events found throughout the world.
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Remember why yuo got banned from here to begin with.
God, created the sun, the earth, and everything else. And I don't think you'll be dying and turning into an animal any time soon. When you die, you're body will become part of the Earth, but you won't turn into an animal. You can't say that's more believable than the Bible. Besides, there's been proofs of Biblical events found throughout the world.
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I'm sorry, but by bashing other people's beliefs you definitely won't get them to convert. As you say, religion is faith, so, believing in reincarnation would be considered having faith. So what's the freaking deal? If she doesn't literally tell you there's NO SUCH THING AS GOD, instead of ASKING you for PROOF that there is, then why would you just tell her she's wrong?
I don't believe God created the Earth, and I sure do not think God created humans in God's image. Only a human could come up with that idea. But it's not like I don't think Jesus ever lived. And did you know? Jesus taught a lot of things that are taught in Buddhism. So hey...if Jesus can accept others, can't you?! I've already accepted Christians, I just like to see them talk about their religion, and yet not know what they are saying, as is so often the case. SO I question them, and tell them my beliefs.
God, created the sun, the earth, and everything else. And I don't think you'll be dying and turning into an animal any time soon. When you die, you're body will become part of the Earth, but you won't turn into an animal. You can't say that's more believable than the Bible. Besides, there's been proofs of Biblical events found throughout the world.
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I'm sorry, but by bashing other people's beliefs you definitely won't get them to convert. As you say, religion is faith, so, believing in reincarnation would be considered having faith. So what's the freaking deal? If she doesn't literally tell you there's NO SUCH THING AS GOD, instead of ASKING you for PROOF that there is, then why would you just tell her she's wrong?
I don't believe God created the Earth, and I sure do not think God created humans in God's image. Only a human could come up with that idea. But it's not like I don't think Jesus ever lived. And did you know? Jesus taught a lot of things that are taught in Buddhism. So hey...if Jesus can accept others, can't you?! I've already accepted Christians, I just like to see them talk about their religion, and yet not know what they are saying, as is so often the case. SO I question them, and tell them my beliefs.
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I never said religion is faith. It doesn't really matter if you believe in God or not if you don't believe the Bible. I also think that most religions(as you mentioned the Buddhism thing) got their beliefs from the bible. I didn't say I don't accept others, I just don't respect everyone's beliefs.
Those are real. every one of them. . the universe is far fetched. we are only human so many things seem far fetched
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Well, sometimes people just make stuff like that up, like on those tv shows where they talk to the dead.
Saying the Earth is a god is like saying all the planets are gods. And besides, the Earth isn't alive.
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The earth is over 842596795876986789367376836 years old...its alive
heres my view on the matter
god if u ask me came from an idea
an idea that there must have been a creator of the universe
this idea was developed and thus diferent ideas of the creator and how he created it came, which is were religion started
so realy god came from faith
meaning that without faith god seases to exsist
concluding that it is imposible to prove gods exsistance becuase proof denys faith and as mentioned above without faith god is nothing
that gose for every other religiouse creator
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According to your logic ALL of these other gods in the other religions exist as well, am I right? Look, I like what your trying to do but it's useless... utterly useless. These people are never going to believe in god and there is nothing we can do to make them. I give up. I am through with this thread... but before I go I want to say one thing.
I do believe in God. I don't need physical evidence. I just know he is there. When these miracles happen such as a baby that is four months premature survives, or someone makes a complete recovery from cancer, or the gift of life and death. These are all miracles of God. Yes, terrible things have happened such as the recent tsunami. Many people were killed, and many more are without homes and families. But with this tragedy there was a miracle. The world all got together and donated BILLIONS of dollars to help these people get there lives back. Australia, United State, United Kingdom, everyone is getting closer and bonding to help these victims. This in my opinion is a miracle of God. God has proved that the world still does have some caring people left in it. God works in mysterious ways and I have every intent on being apart of his plan. If you don't believe in God, fine. I am not going to force you to. But just think about things... really think them over.
heres my view on the matter
god if u ask me came from an idea
an idea that there must have been a creator of the universe
this idea was developed and thus diferent ideas of the creator and how he created it came, which is were religion started
so realy god came from faith
meaning that without faith god seases to exsist
concluding that it is imposible to prove gods exsistance becuase proof denys faith and as mentioned above without faith god is nothing
that gose for every other religiouse creator
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According to your logic ALL of these other gods in the other religions exist as well, am I right? Look, I like what your trying to do but it's useless... utterly useless. These people are never going to believe in god and there is nothing we can do to make them. I give up. I am through with this thread... but before I go I want to say one thing.
I do believe in God. I don't need physical evidence. I just know he is there. When these miracles happen such as a baby that is four months premature survives, or someone makes a complete recovery from cancer, or the gift of life and death. These are all miracles of God. Yes, terrible things have happened such as the recent tsunami. Many people were killed, and many more are without homes and families. But with this tragedy there was a miracle. The world all got together and donated BILLIONS of dollars to help these people get there lives back. Australia, United State, United Kingdom, everyone is getting closer and bonding to help these victims. This in my opinion is a miracle of God. God has proved that the world still does have some caring people left in it. God works in mysterious ways and I have every intent on being apart of his plan. If you don't believe in God, fine. I am not going to force you to. But just think about things... really think them over.
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what I am trying to do is show u my point of view, dont care if anyone likes it or not, I only care if u misunderstand it
and thats presisly my point
u see, the concept of a creator only exsists if u bleave it exsists, now this creator could be god, brammah or even budah (I apoligise for mis spellings) but either way they only exsist if u bleave, so to people who dont have faith in them will not have them exsist since without faith they are nothing
got it this time?