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Title: Would God Be A Republican Or A Democrat?
Post by: MiraclrPlz on November 26, 2004, 07:26:21 pm: I'd have to say he'd be a [wait for it...]

REPUBLICAN!
But I have good reasons to support my claim. 2 reasons.
Reason 1: Moral issues
Moral issue I: Abortion
A. The Ten Commandments say "Thou shalt not kill!" There can be NO ACCEPTIONS!
B. God also said to Moses, "Love thy neighbor as thy self." Those are two very important commandments. Thy neighbor is anyone other than thyself, not someone who lives next-door to you XD. Killing thine old child is makes thou thy 7 times more evil than killing a stranger or a nemises.
Moral Issue II: Homosexual Rights
A. Christ created us all in His own image. As I said before, Homosexual Marriage is one of the 5 non-negotiable topics. It is a horrible sin, no matter how Liberal you are, it doesn't matter if you are a Liberal, a Marxist, a Communist, Socialist, whatever. That will never change. Even if the Church in Canada by law can not preach against Homo-sexuality for "enciting hate", Homosexuality will always be a grevious sin. God could never support a political party that supports such filth!
Reason II: Politics
A. God helps those who help themselves. The Dumb-o-crats and their Smellfare is unaccptable. This is America. This is the land of opportunity. I believe the poor should get out there and work and stop stealing from hardworking citizens! That is the Gospel of Work! Pull your weight!
B. Democrats want to take religion out of schools. Christianity should be taught in schools, not evolution. Evolution is not proven, and there are plenty of arguments that can disprove it.

There you have it. And don't say: "How do you know, MSP?! Are you God?!" I'll answer you now! NO! I am NOT GOD! But I just slammed you with the Bible. Amen.
Title: Would God Be A Republican Or A Democrat?
Post by: Gideon Brown on November 26, 2004, 07:50:49 pm: Uhm.....let's see...you say there are no excpetions to thou shalt not murder...then MSP, you MUST be against capital punishment. Also...let's go out on a limb here and say that God is actually the Earth. In that case, my dear Devout Catholic friend, God would be part of the freaking GREEN party. Oh and God IS the Earth because God is everything and IN everything and EVERYONE including unborn babies, you, me, and murderers.
Also, if you want evolution to be taken out of schools because it IS NOT PROVEN then so should religion because IT IS NOT PROVEN. Freaking hypocrite.
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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on November 26, 2004, 09:05:02 pm: Quote
then so should religion because IT IS NOT PROVEN. Freaking hypocrite.
Religion HAS been proven, it's just that Agnostics and Athiests just ignore it all.
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Post by: Gideon Brown on November 26, 2004, 09:15:17 pm: No, it HAS NOT been proven. You want to prove it with science? Then go right ahead you fool.
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Post by: Jackie-Boy on November 27, 2004, 12:52:31 pm: MSP, sometimes it seems like you make these topics SIMPLY so you can attempt to prove people wrong.
Title: Would God Be A Republican Or A Democrat?
Post by: Fredaykin on November 27, 2004, 10:15:57 pm: If MSP makes these posts to try to prove people wrong, he has every right to. This is the Debate Den, after all. In this case, i am going to say that you are quite wrong. First, I don't see how anyone can truly argue that God would be either a Democrat or a Republican. Both parties cover an extremely large range of views and people, and neither of them is encompassed only be people and views that Christianity would deem to be "good."

In terms of abortion: As already stated, then capital punishment (which we see in so many Republican dominated areas) would be completely unacceptable as well. I will agree that if you consider an unborun fetus to be a fully living human being, then the Ten Comandments condemn it. But some people truly believe that they are not yet living, and it is extremely different from any sort of killing. I won't insert my own personal views here, partially i admit is because i don't know exactly what to side with. But in terms of killing being against the Ten Comandments, then Bush and his cabinet would already be condemned to eternal ::Dolphin Noise::ation for causing the killing of around 100,000 Iraqi civilians. Jesus was never in support of violent action like that. For homosexuality, i will admit that i haven't personally researched hardly anything about what the bible actually says denouncing it, but i see an amazing similarity to civil rights for Blacks in America. I have a hard time seeing how a true Christian could say that they don't deserve equal rights. These are only my personal views, but i don't picture Jesus as the type of person who would oppose Gay rights. I may be wrong, and if i am, feel free to throw this back at me maybe 50 years down the future, but i can see this really becoming a parallel of civil rights, where now that we are past the main controversy and have the benefit of hindsight, almost all reasonable people are amazed that the majority of America was oposed to such a thing at one time.

Wellfare: I don't see how you can call yourself a Christian if those are your real views. "Smellfare"?? You honestly don't know your own religion if you are opposed to trying to help those less fortunate than you. For goodness' sake, go read the Bible!!
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31"But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate them as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left. 34Then the King will say to those on the right, `Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.'
37"Then these righteous ones will reply, `Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?' 40And the King will tell them, `I assure you, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters,[1] you were doing it to me!'
41"Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, `Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his demons! 42For I was hungry, and you didn't feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn't give me anything to drink. 43I was a stranger, and you didn't invite me into your home. I was naked, and you gave me no clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn't visit me.'
44"Then they will reply, `Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?' 45And he will answer, `I assure you, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.' 46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life."
Matthew 25:31-46
That's right from the Bible. According to Jesus then, you and possibly many other Republicans are condemned "into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his demons." In the spirit of Christianity, you would realistically do everything you could to help those around you, and not criticize wellfare for helping people that can't provide for themselves.

Evolution: Again, as I have already argued, Evolution has been proven scientifically. It is my personal belief that God would not even be opposed to the idea of evolution. I won't get all the way into this, because I already made this point in its appropriate thread. And also as already stated, if you want to argue that only proven facts should be taught in school, evolution is much closer to a proven fact than religion. God can't be proven. That's the whole point. Religion is a belief in something that you personally feel or know to be true, but has no tangible proof of any kind. God has the power to physically make his presence known to every atheist or agnostic individual in the world. He could take the stars, and rearange them to spell out "I Exist" in the night sky. If he exists, he has not done so yet, and i don't believe he ever will. Trying to come from a neutral point of view, I believe that religion has not, and never will be proven with physical evidence. That does not mean that God, Jesus, or any other deity worshipped by another religion does not exist. Just don't say that any religion has been proven, because that is completely untrue.
Title: Would God Be A Republican Or A Democrat?
Post by: Thomas on November 28, 2004, 02:22:58 am: It doesn't matter if you have a religion or not....all pollitical things are evil. >_<
Title: Would God Be A Republican Or A Democrat?
Post by: cmonkey on November 28, 2004, 07:56:57 am: Republican... Democrat... I don't think so. God, if I believed in one, would be an absolute dictator.
Title: Would God Be A Republican Or A Democrat?
Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on November 28, 2004, 07:59:07 am: Republican, but I don't think we need to argue about God in this way.
Title: Would God Be A Republican Or A Democrat?
Post by: spongemonkey13 on November 28, 2004, 11:05:24 am: i think he would be in the green party :biggrin:
Title: Would God Be A Republican Or A Democrat?
Post by: MiraclrPlz on November 28, 2004, 03:31:39 pm: You people arn't even reading what I say! God is of Conservative Values: The world don't owe nobody a living, there ain't no such thing as a free lunch, etc. God helps those who help themselves. People in this country are just lazy and should work.
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Post by: cmonkey on November 28, 2004, 03:36:53 pm: Your god also happens to be omnipotent, meaning he needs no political party, and can be a dictator. :tongue:
Title: Would God Be A Republican Or A Democrat?
Post by: MiraclrPlz on November 28, 2004, 03:50:04 pm: God is not everywhere. He is not one with the trees and one with everyone. That is herasy. A horrible kind of herasy that started in the Middle Ages. Everything on this planet was made to serve man in a particular way. Cow was made for food and milk. Everything was made for man, God's greatest creation that he created in His image. Animals are not equal to men. That is just absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by: Fredaykin on November 28, 2004, 04:36:45 pm: Quote
You people arn't even reading what I say! God is of Conservative Values: The world don't owe nobody a living, there ain't no such thing as a free lunch, etc. God helps those who help themselves. People in this country are just lazy and should work.
Those are capitalist idealogies, not Biblical points. MSP, show me where in the Bible it says that people should not help those that have not been able to help themselves. Because as i see it, I just quoted one example that says you are wrong, and would be ::Dolphin Noise::ed for eternity by not helping those that you saw in need. Basically, you said that you "just slammed [us] with the Bible," but i am yet to see you bring in the actual Biblical proof or evidence to support your claims here.

On top of that, it makes no sense to argue that God would be a member of one political party or another. Both parties do so many things that are contrary to the lessons of the Bible, and the teachings of Jesus. The best we can do here is argue what specific issues God would agree or disagree with. Now show me something you can actually use to support your point of view on these specific matters.
Title: Would God Be A Republican Or A Democrat?
Post by: MiraclrPlz on November 28, 2004, 06:34:43 pm: What does both sides do that contradicts? That's crazy! The Catholic Church is not against the death penalty. I'm not against helping the poor. I'm against welfare! People who are on welfare CAN help themselves. They are lazy. And I don't wanna give them my hard earned money. There is no debating that. It's a closed book victory on my part.
Title: Would God Be A Republican Or A Democrat?
Post by: Gideon Brown on November 28, 2004, 07:30:02 pm: Right MSP....show me how they can help themselves...There may be a small percentage abusing the system, but not ALL people on welfare are doing that. Careful what you say my dear friend, I have friends who's families are on welfare, and they have the internet. I think, maybe, just maybe, you're creating enemies.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on November 29, 2004, 06:05:03 am: I don't care! Let them read the truth! You know I'm right. No matter how Liberal you are you know I have to be right because all else wouldn't make any sence!
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Post by: Gideon Brown on November 29, 2004, 06:43:22 am: Uhm, no, I do not know you are right, because you aren't on welfare. You HAVEN'T checked your information, you can not POSSILBLY cite your views with a non-radical person out to take over the world. Your argument is "I am right, and you are wrong because in my mind I am right and you are wrong." Trust me, my dear friend, I am older than you, and know much more about the topic of welfare than you do.
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Post by: Daniel on November 29, 2004, 09:31:19 pm: Quote
Uhm.....let's see...you say there are no excpetions to thou shalt not murder...then MSP, you MUST be against capital punishment.
Capital Punishment is for the murders; you know, the people who killed other people. The Bible says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." It also says "You reap what you sow (xd?)." That is why we have Capital Punishment.
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Post by: oscar_the_grouch on November 29, 2004, 09:39:17 pm: neither because god doesnt exsist.
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Post by: Daniel on November 29, 2004, 09:40:06 pm: Quote
neither because god doesnt exsist.
I feel soooooooooooo sorry for you. :sad: Seriously.
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Post by: cmonkey on November 30, 2004, 04:31:09 am: Quote

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neither because god doesnt exsist.
I feel soooooooooooo sorry for you. :sad: Seriously.
And I feel sorry for you for being so easily deceived.
Title: Would God Be A Republican Or A Democrat?
Post by: MiraclrPlz on November 30, 2004, 06:35:43 am: And I feel sorry for you for beleiving the Government is superior, therefore the is no God. There is a God!
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on November 30, 2004, 06:35:54 am: God is all-powerful. He would be neither. He would be ruler automatically
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Post by: spongemonkey13 on November 30, 2004, 03:51:19 pm: IF you believe in god that would be true
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Post by: oscar_the_grouch on November 30, 2004, 04:23:50 pm: Quote
And I feel sorry for you for being so easily deceived.

Yup... beat me to saying it

Paige
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Post by: cmonkey on November 30, 2004, 05:55:33 pm: Quote
And I feel sorry for you for beleiving the Government is superior, therefore the is no God. There is a God!
The Government? Who said anything about government. To me, the laws of nature are more important.
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Post by: AppleNick on November 30, 2004, 06:43:48 pm: I feel sorry about everyone feeling sorry for everyone...

I don't find this topic debateable, but I guess it depends on your beliefs. I guess I'd have to agree with Cmonkey on this one...

DICTATOR.
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Post by: Gideon Brown on November 30, 2004, 06:49:43 pm: Quote

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And I feel sorry for you for beleiving the Government is superior, therefore the is no God. There is a God!
The Government? Who said anything about government. To me, the laws of nature are more important.
Someone after me own mind!
The laws of God can not beat the laws of nature...nature always wins.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on November 30, 2004, 06:59:54 pm: I'm not talking about if or if not he'd be a dictator. If he had to pick one of the two partys, and select only from one of the two partys, it'd be the Republican party without a doubt. Liberals don't even believe in God--how could God be one? By not belieiving in Himself?
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Post by: Gideon Brown on November 30, 2004, 07:56:08 pm: Stop stereotyping Liberals you little piece of...*stops*
My mother is Liberal....and she believes in God. Therefore, your definition of Liberal is WRONG.
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Post by: Rocko on December 06, 2004, 04:48:44 pm: God would be neither. He'd think both are sinful.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on December 06, 2004, 07:34:52 pm: Repepublicans arn't sinful And God blessthe Cnservative party of Canada.
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Post by: Gideon Brown on December 06, 2004, 07:40:16 pm: Really? God bless those idiots? I'd rather vote them in than Liberal *spits on Dalton and Paul*
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on December 06, 2004, 07:59:47 pm: Down with Paul Martin! He posiend your water supply, burned your crops, and unleashed a plauge apon your houses!!!
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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on December 06, 2004, 08:02:26 pm: Quote
Down with Paul Martin! He posiend your water supply, burned your crops, and unleashed a plauge apon your houses!!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! If he did...would Charliez Fallen Angel would be talkin'?
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Post by: Gideon Brown on December 06, 2004, 08:05:51 pm: Yes!! MSP!! For once we AGREE!!!!! *blinks*
Dalton McGuinty is a 'reptilian kitten-eating monster from Mars.' -Canadian Conservative provincial group...
HAHAHA!!!!
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Post by: Elizabeth Rose on December 06, 2004, 08:23:49 pm: God would be wherever the most morality would be, whether that be Republican, Democrat, Independant, whatever. Also, welfare should have a ton more restrictions but it should not be removed. Some people genuinly need it: they cannot work. That is not their fault. However, all these rednecks who sit on their butt all day drinking beer and coon hunting all night need to have it pulled. No reason in the world why they can't work.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on December 07, 2004, 06:43:00 am: How could God be anything else but a Republican? Think about it very hard about which is the religion-hating party.
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Post by: AppleNick on December 07, 2004, 09:10:30 am: And which party is that MSP? If you mean democrats, you obviously know about... ZERO democrats. My mom is democrat, and she is not a religion-hater. -_-
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Post by: Rocko on December 07, 2004, 01:27:58 pm: I'm a Democrat and I believe in god. But are you calling Democrats religion hater's because they want separation of Church and state?
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Post by: Starr2k3 on December 11, 2004, 06:41:16 am: Well, it would help if he existed but that's besides the point...

He would be neither republican or democrat, he would be a dictator. MSP, your "I am right and your wrong" is not gonna work in a debate. You also need your ::Dolphin Noise:: facts straight. Your phucking stereotyping people.
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Post by: spongemonkey13 on December 11, 2004, 05:53:46 pm: god and andrew was yelling at me for jumping the word filter? :blink:
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Post by: Starr2k3 on December 11, 2004, 05:55:52 pm: You were using it when you did not need to use it. MSP is ::Dolphin Noise::ing me off horribly.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on December 11, 2004, 06:45:01 pm: Quote
I'm a Democrat and I believe in god. But are you calling Democrats religion hater's because they want separation of Church and state?
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He does exist. Maybe people who don't believe in Him are just afraid. And God loves the GOP so much His name only differs by one letter...GOP...GOD...
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Post by: Rocko on December 11, 2004, 07:18:15 pm: Quote
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I'm a Democrat and I believe in god. But are you calling Democrats religion hater's because they want separation of Church and state?
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He does exist. Maybe people who don't believe in Him are just afraid. And God loves the GOP so much His name only differs by one letter...GOP...GOD...
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God does not favor one person over another. He loves everyone equally. ANd GOP GOD is the most moronic politicly and god thing ever said. It's just a letter.
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Post by: Gideon Brown on December 11, 2004, 07:23:27 pm: If spelling has to do with religion...than what's a dog? The devil? BAHAHA!!
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Post by: oscar_the_grouch on December 11, 2004, 11:14:57 pm: Quote
If spelling has to do with religion...than what's a dog? The devil? BAHAHA!!

That took me a few miniutes to understand :unsure: when it comes to god i think the argument will just continue in circles. some dont beleive and some do, so what is the point of running around in circles wheb walking straight gets you farther? ill stop talking now because i am making no sense and am just babbiling :tongue:

Paige
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on December 12, 2004, 08:21:02 pm: My campaign slogan was:
Vote Catholic
Not Kerry
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Post by: IZ on December 12, 2004, 08:22:49 pm: Quote
My campaign slogan was:
Vote Catholic
Not Kerry
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Catholicism is wrong. It's full of hypocrites who say you shouldn't kill anyone yet are pro-war and pro-capital punishment.
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Post by: AppleNick on December 12, 2004, 08:31:24 pm: Quote
My campaign slogan was:
Vote Catholic
Not Kerry
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Many catholics voted Kerry, and many republican catholics voted Bush didn't vote him because of religious beliefs.
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Post by: IZ on December 20, 2004, 12:44:29 pm: I know this is kinda old, but I have something to say. I think God would be a moderate. He'd be for banning gay marriages, banning abortions, but he'd be against war and capital punishment.
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Post by: DiE HaRrD PuNk on December 24, 2004, 06:49:37 am: msp, if animals dont equal men, then lets take your dog/cat/whatever and shoot it, tortre it. right in front of YOUR face. animals are people too. each one is diffrent, and has their own mind,own personality. your just stupid.