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Title: Florida Woman's Feeding Tube Removed
Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on March 18, 2005, 06:07:59 pm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/18/...ain681495.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/18/national/main681495.shtml)

I think it was dumb to do that, I mean even though she may never get better they should have just left her alone.
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Post by: SpongeBobAndyZX14 on March 18, 2005, 06:11:32 pm
*gasp* That's sad, sick, and twisted... So horrifing to me, I could only stand to read the caption under the first picture, plus the first three and a half paragraphs.  It probably even got worse from there... :sad:
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Post by: spongemonkey13 on March 18, 2005, 06:12:18 pm
geez floridas on a roll today  :blink:
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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on March 18, 2005, 06:16:29 pm
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geez floridas on a roll today  :blink:
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Yeah. A Girl is dead, and now a woman is off the feeding tube. What's next? A Spring Hurricane?
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Post by: SpongeBobAndyZX14 on March 18, 2005, 06:47:54 pm
Hehehe.  I wonder what's happening in Virginia, but then, I could really care less.  All I know is that someone I know commited suicide recently.  I haven't heard of any other deaths up here in Virginia besides that.  But in Florida I here this and an innocent girl killed.  Doesn't sound like these people are having a good day.  :sad:
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Post by: Isnt Anything on March 18, 2005, 06:52:06 pm
Thank goodness! Now Florida can stop paying for it!
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Post by: IZ on March 18, 2005, 06:52:31 pm
She shouldn't be forced to continue living in a state of nothingness, it's just torturing her. It's in her best interest, that she die, rather than live like this (if you can call that living).
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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on March 18, 2005, 06:56:08 pm
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She shouldn't be forced to continue living in a state of nothingness, it's just torturing her. It's in her best interest, that she die, rather than live like this (if you can call that living).
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Post by: IZ on March 18, 2005, 06:57:20 pm
I'm not anti-life. I just have a heart, and realize she's never going to get better, and she'll just go on living forever, just as a vegetable. She deserved to be put out of her misery.
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Post by: Rocko on March 18, 2005, 07:08:55 pm
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I'm not anti-life. I just have a heart, and realize she's never going to get better, and she'll just go on living forever, just as a vegetable. She deserved to be put out of her misery.
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I agree with you Kevin, I don't see what the point of keeping someone alive if they're going to be a vegetable for the rest of their life. I wouldn't want to be kept alive forever if I'm a vegetable, would you?
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Post by: SpongeBobAndyZX14 on March 18, 2005, 07:20:46 pm
Heck no!  They shouldv'e just flat out killed her painlessly.  She should get a say in it.  Did she?  Oh yeah, she had that "brain problem" thing.  But still...  Shouldv'e just killed her.
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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on March 18, 2005, 07:22:36 pm
Plus you can't live "forever" in a vegistative state. Most likely you might die from complactions from it. I perfer to wait until that happens, rather than remove the feeding tube.
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Post by: IZ on March 18, 2005, 07:25:32 pm
Why?! So she can suffer more? She would've died from it eventually, but her life was going to be a hell on earth. She was going to be a vegetable her whole life, and I can't let her go through that.
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Post by: spongemonkey13 on March 18, 2005, 07:27:07 pm
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Why?! So she can suffer more? She would've died from it eventually, but her life was going to be a ::Dolphin Noise:: on earth. She was going to be a vegetable her whole life, and I can't let her go through that.
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Post by: SizzlinSean on March 18, 2005, 07:29:52 pm
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Plus you can't live "forever" in a vegistative state. Most likely you might die from complactions from it. I perfer to wait until that happens, rather than remove the feeding tube.
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Wow. So you would want her to have agonizing pain on top of the torment she's already enduring? You're acting like this is some TV show. Its a real woman's life we're talking about here.
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Post by: IZ on March 18, 2005, 07:31:39 pm
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Why?! So she can suffer more? She would've died from it eventually, but her life was going to be a ::Dolphin Noise:: on earth. She was going to be a vegetable her whole life, and I can't let her go through that.
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Post by: spongemonkey13 on March 18, 2005, 07:32:02 pm
i agree. it's better to kill her quickly than let her die a slow painful death. what would you have preferred
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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on March 18, 2005, 08:16:38 pm
Yeah well if you do that, that's concidered murder.
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Post by: IZ on March 18, 2005, 08:17:08 pm
No, it's not. It's Euthnsia, or mercy killing.
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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on March 18, 2005, 08:18:13 pm
Ethuansita(sp?) = Murder.
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Post by: IZ on March 18, 2005, 08:19:48 pm
Really now, so you're telling me if you were terminally ill/braindead, you'd want to be kept alive for the rest of your life?
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on March 18, 2005, 08:26:23 pm
Kevin while I respect your opinion, he||on earth is not as bad as he|| for eternity.  Euthenesia is indeed murder, there is no way for it to be called mercy killing justifiably, because it is so beyond evil.  Taking away a feeding tube, death by starvation.  Something that most people wouldn't want done to a dog.  I sure wouldn't want that done to a dog.  And the Governement Officials are doing it to a human.  Reagan was right about the Government...Kevin I do respect you opinion tho you did make a good argument but I really really REALLY disagree.
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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on March 18, 2005, 09:08:43 pm
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Kevin while I respect your opinion, he||on earth is not as bad as he|| for eternity.  Euthenesia is indeed murder, there is no way for it to be called mercy killing justifiably, because it is so beyond evil.  Taking away a feeding tube, death by starvation.  Something that most people wouldn't want done to a dog.  I sure wouldn't want that done to a dog.  And the Governement Officials are doing it to a human.  Reagan was right about the Government...Kevin I do respect you opinion tho you did make a good argument but I really really REALLY disagree.
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Post by: DennisLuvr on March 19, 2005, 02:41:49 pm
The whole thing is entirely stupid. If even one person wants to keep her alive, they should. Instead they just listen to one man who allegedly has another girlfriend and will get all her insurance money when she passes on? Riiight...

Her family was even willing to pay for her feeding tube, so he can't use financial costs as an excuse. America's going to pot...
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Post by: Snowthrower on March 19, 2005, 05:00:50 pm
I honestly think this is murder, I mean she still is a living, breathing human and now there going to kill her by starving her to death? And the government says its ok to MURDER her?
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Post by: IZ on March 19, 2005, 09:02:53 pm
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Kevin while I respect your opinion, he||on earth is not as bad as he|| for eternity.  Euthenesia is indeed murder, there is no way for it to be called mercy killing justifiably, because it is so beyond evil.  Taking away a feeding tube, death by starvation.  Something that most people wouldn't want done to a dog.  I sure wouldn't want that done to a dog.  And the Governement Officials are doing it to a human.  Reagan was right about the Government...Kevin I do respect you opinion tho you did make a good argument but I really really REALLY disagree.
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How is it beyond evil? Are you to tell me if you were terminally ill, you'd want to be kept alive? She'd suffer her entire life, just sitting there, with no hope of ever recovering? I'm sure even God could find it OK to do that.
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Post by: GIR on March 20, 2005, 01:46:57 pm
I know her, Its my pastor's friend's sister.
Yeah they should let her die because she would hurt and suffer.
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Post by: DennisLuvr on March 20, 2005, 04:05:29 pm
And how exactly would you know she was "hurt and suffering"? Unless she wants you to kill her, then don't. Milord, doesn't anyone listen? A speech therapist even said she was willing to put in the time and might be able to get her to talk. She's not in a coma, so her husband shouldn't have any say in the matter. And since she has no will, there's really nothing they can do. The husband has a conflict of interest, the parents want to keep her alive. She has a chance of recovering. But apparently no one thinks about the good of humanity, of life, anymore.
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Post by: Isnt Anything on March 20, 2005, 04:28:35 pm
She had no life. She was a vegetable. She would've had to live like that for many more years. She was in that state for over 7 years. Would you want to be living off of a feeding tube for 7 years? I'm sure she wanted to go. It was more of a political thing after a while.
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Post by: DennisLuvr on March 20, 2005, 05:14:38 pm
How can you say she had no life? She's still a human being. They have no right to take her life as they please. I'm just saying, you can't be sure she wanted to go unless she told you specifically, which she can't.

It is better to let her live than make an eternal mistake by killing her.
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Post by: IZ on March 20, 2005, 05:15:41 pm
Are you to tell me God would punish her because people felt sorry for her, and didn't want her to suffer?
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Post by: DennisLuvr on March 20, 2005, 05:20:50 pm
*raises eyebrow* I never said a word about God, did I? But there will be a lot of people missing her, people who actually cared about her...won't they harbor that burden for the rest of their lives?
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Post by: IZ on March 20, 2005, 05:28:27 pm
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It is better to let her live than make an eternal mistake by killing her.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on March 20, 2005, 07:17:32 pm
No Kevi, God does not find it okay.  God created our souls. That harm done.  You'resupposed to keep someone laive as long as possible--you can't just brand them undesireable and kill them.
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Post by: IZ on March 20, 2005, 07:19:04 pm
Yes, but you seem to believe Terry Schiavo would go to hell, which is completely illogical.
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Post by: Isnt Anything on March 20, 2005, 07:20:38 pm
Into the debate den it goes.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on March 20, 2005, 07:26:00 pm
now that is some good moderating.  i never woulda thought to do that.
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Post by: Eva:Gina on March 21, 2005, 12:52:10 am
GOOD ON THEM!!!
There was a guy in the paper who starved himself to death like that cos he was suffering from motor neuron. If a person can't reserve the right to end their own suffering, or if incapable to make that choice, have the people who LOVE them to do it for them, then what right do we have to take painkillers?? (big comparison, i know but.........)

and as for religious beliefs.......
Jehovas witnesses dont believe in blood transfers. but the rest of us still have them.
If you dont believe in it, dont do it.

Pu tit this way. Our dog was in a bad way, for a long time. and when we got her put down, all i could think was that we could have ended her suffering alot sonner, but we kept her alive because we couldnt handle the responsibility. now that is selfish!!
Putting this woman out of her misery was an amazingly brave thing to do. dont make the mistake of thinking it was easy.
it would be alot less traumatic if it was somting less drawn out. like morphine overdose or a nice clam injection or somthing. but people dont allow that.
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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on March 21, 2005, 06:47:26 am
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She had no life. She was a vegetable. She would've had to live like that for many more years. She was in that state for over 7 years. Would you want to be living off of a feeding tube for 7 years? I'm sure she wanted to go. It was more of a political thing after a while.
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Actually she's been in that state for 15 Years.
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Post by: IceFox on March 21, 2005, 10:17:48 am
EXACTLY! 15 years. Would you like to be in the condition for 15 years,, suffering, and then, later,  be in that condition more. I'd rather die and go to heaven.
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Post by: Sponge Pat on March 22, 2005, 12:33:53 pm
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How can you say she had no life? She's still a human being.

Yes, but only barely alive.  I would not even call it a life anymore, sitting there everyday for the past 15 years like a vegetable.  

Put yourself in her position, not her parents, not her husbands, and think,
would you want to keep living for another who know's how long?
We take for granted our ability to talk, walk, and do stuff on our own.
She can only breathe. She needs a machine to keep her alive!! What kind of life is that!??! Torture I say.

Even if she did want to stay alive in the beggining, after 15 years, I bet she gave up hope. I would have at least.
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Post by: GIR on March 22, 2005, 02:46:22 pm
we do it to animals all the time why not to humans?

she would have killed herself if given the chance.
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Post by: AppleNick on March 22, 2005, 04:51:38 pm
She can't even follow something with her eyes. If you were like that, would you want to live like that for another 50 years?
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on March 22, 2005, 07:50:57 pm
Euthenesia is murder, not mercy.  Why is it all conservatives want her to live and all liberals want her to die?  Easy, because liberals are part of the culture of death!  Murdering the handicap is the samething the Nazis did. Several family members want this HUMAN BEING kept alive, but that God I wish I could swear on here "husband" of hers wants her dead...I can not believe this.  These people who wanna kill her...you've read about these sort of people in science fiction for the past 50 years---never could one ever imagine people could get that messed up...it's sickning!  I condem the culture if death that so many have fallen victum too!  A handicapped man is not something you can throw out like a broken toaster!  What is this world coming too?????!!!!!!!!  Could Christ have sent this person to show how crazy the world is becoming?  Why doesn't he do something?  He knows that liberalism is a mental disorder.  Why why doesn't He act?  Oh...He's got something planned.
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Post by: AppleNick on March 22, 2005, 08:30:37 pm
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Euthenesia is murder, not mercy. Why is it all conservatives want her to live and all liberals want her to die? Easy, because liberals are part of the culture of death! Murdering the handicap is the samething the Nazis did. Several family members want this HUMAN BEING kept alive, but that God I wish I could swear on here "husband" of hers wants her dead...I can not believe this. These people who wanna kill her...you've read about these sort of people in science fiction for the past 50 years---never could one ever imagine people could get that messed up...it's sickning! I condem the culture if death that so many have fallen victum too! A handicapped man is not something you can throw out like a broken toaster! What is this world coming too?????!!!!!!!! Could Christ have sent this person to show how crazy the world is becoming? Why doesn't he do something? He knows that liberalism is a mental disorder. Why why doesn't He act? Oh...He's got something planned.

Oh yes, you are perfectly following the bible. Such a great catholic. </Sarcasm>

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I'd like it if she was kept alive, although I seriously doubt that's happening. So I try to look on the bright side of these particular conditions.
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Post by: Eva:Gina on March 23, 2005, 12:28:51 am
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Euthenesia is murder, not mercy.  Why is it all conservatives want her to live and all liberals want her to die?  Easy, because liberals are part of the culture of death!  Murdering the handicap is the samething the Nazis did. Several family members want this HUMAN BEING kept alive, but that God I wish I could swear on here "husband" of hers wants her dead...I can not believe this.  These people who wanna kill her...you've read about these sort of people in science fiction for the past 50 years---never could one ever imagine people could get that messed up...it's sickning!  I condem the culture if death that so many have fallen victum too!  A handicapped man is not something you can throw out like a broken toaster!  What is this world coming too?????!!!!!!!!  Could Christ have sent this person to show how crazy the world is becoming?  Why doesn't he do something?  He knows that liberalism is a mental disorder.  Why why doesn't He act?  Oh...He's got something planned.
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have you stopped to think that maybe these people dont care about your beliefs?? I dont think they are considering how you feel when they are trying to end the suffering of a loved one. If someone i loved was in pain, and you tried to stop me from releiving it, i would hurt you.
It is comparitivly like you taking a pain killer when yo have a headache.
and you may argue with the morals of it, but these people jsut dont care about your god. you have to accept that.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on March 23, 2005, 12:46:40 pm
No one has the right to take the life of another human being!  As I said, that is the same thing the Nazis did.  That's like saying kill people with downsyndrome because they are handicapped!!!  This woman's family members want hwer kept alive!  Who cares about that jerk-offhusband!  Hwe just wants her money!!
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Post by: edso on March 23, 2005, 12:59:00 pm
What they should do is find a cure for this thing instead of cancer..
It's sad they don't care about her.
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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on March 23, 2005, 01:25:24 pm
Actually the disease she has is...INCURABLE. Meaning there is no material to even prevent it. I've heard that it usually started when she was starving to death, then a heart attack came, and then she ended up as a vegistative state. So there it isn't a disease, it's a very serious condition that Terry Schiavo is in.
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Post by: edso on March 23, 2005, 01:57:30 pm
...I bet if they wanted to..they could fix it.
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Post by: Sponge Pat on March 23, 2005, 03:07:11 pm
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No one has the right to take the life of another human being!  As I said, that is the same thing the Nazis did.  That's like saying kill people with downsyndrome because they are handicapped!!!  This woman's family members want hwer kept alive!  Who cares about that jerk-offhusband!  Hwe just wants her money!!
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Oh my dog just got cancer! Put it to sleep.
My cat has down syndrome! Put it to sleep.
My friend got  cancer! Oh the poor thing, let us treat him in the hospital.
My friend got down syndrome! Let's hook them up to a machine! Keep them in torture for the rest of their life.

Same thing goes with emergancies.
Police, they have a dog in their van, and it is 99 degress out! We'll get there when we can..
Police, they have a child in their van, and it is 99 degress out! We're on our way!!

I'm glad that they put animals out of their misery.
But with a human, no way, we can not let them die! We need them hooked up to a machine, and let them sit their miserable and wait till their life is over!
Oh we can't let a miserable human die. That is inhuman. Dumb idea!

I mean look at how bad off she is!
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She hardly looks alive. There is no way to cure her.

Do you want to be in her situation?? Do you want to be suffering in a chair for the rest of your life!!??!


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Post by: GIR on March 23, 2005, 03:13:17 pm
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Euthenesia is murder, not mercy.  Why is it all conservatives want her to live and all liberals want her to die?  Easy, because liberals are part of the culture of death!  Murdering the handicap is the samething the Nazis did. Several family members want this HUMAN BEING kept alive, but that God I wish I could swear on here "husband" of hers wants her dead...I can not believe this.  These people who wanna kill her...you've read about these sort of people in science fiction for the past 50 years---never could one ever imagine people could get that messed up...it's sickning!  I condem the culture if death that so many have fallen victum too!  A handicapped man is not something you can throw out like a broken toaster!  What is this world coming too?????!!!!!!!!  Could Christ have sent this person to show how crazy the world is becoming?  Why doesn't he do something?  He knows that liberalism is a mental disorder.  Why why doesn't He act?  Oh...He's got something planned.
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have you stopped to think that maybe these people dont care about your beliefs?? I dont think they are considering how you feel when they are trying to end the suffering of a loved one. If someone i loved was in pain, and you tried to stop me from releiving it, i would hurt you.
It is comparitivly like you taking a pain killer when yo have a headache.
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I care about his god. I just think she shouldent be in pain.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on March 23, 2005, 03:28:37 pm
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I mean look at how bad off she is!
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She hardly looks alive. There is no way to cure her.

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Post by: Sponge Pat on March 23, 2005, 03:40:26 pm
Help her continue a miserable life..
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on March 23, 2005, 03:48:22 pm
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Help her continue a miserable life..
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Post by: Sponge Pat on March 23, 2005, 03:52:08 pm
Hopeless for what?

You think she wants to stay in that condition?
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on March 23, 2005, 04:42:10 pm
Perhaps she wants to die but I would at least try to treat her as much as possible wether or not there is a law or supreme court says not to. Her parents should sue Supreme Court or whatever just to get some justice.
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Post by: Sponge Pat on March 23, 2005, 06:21:25 pm
It is just sad she can not be cured with anything. Even if they did find one, she has been in this for 15 years, so it may be hard to help her.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on March 23, 2005, 06:35:47 pm
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It is just sad she can not be cured with anything. Even if they did find one, she has been in this for 15 years, so it may be hard to help her.
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She hasnt been fed anything through the tube in 5+ days. Thats curable.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on March 23, 2005, 08:15:31 pm
Terry Shiavo's sister said she knew her sister and knows she'd never want to be starved to death.  That jerk husband needs to go to jail for ever for attempted homicde(hopefully attempted...).  He was on this death crusade from the beginning for financial reasons.  To he REAL family, I'm very sorry what you are going through and I hope very soon that you get the ruling you want.  These murderers can not get away with their crimes.  Gov. Bush is considering sending the Natl. Guard to the hospital and making them put that feeding tube back in.  Join the crusade to end the culture ofdeath and Euthenesia once and for all!
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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on March 23, 2005, 08:27:24 pm
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Terry Shiavo's sister said she knew her sister and knows she'd never want to be starved to death.  That jerk husband needs to go to jail for ever for attempted homicde(hopefully attempted...).  He was on this death crusade from the beginning for financial reasons.  To he REAL family, I'm very sorry what you are going through and I hope very soon that you get the ruling you want.  These murderers can not get away with their crimes.  Gov. Bush is considering sending the Natl. Guard to the hospital and making them put that feeding tube back in.  Join the crusade to end the culture ofdeath and Euthenesia once and for all!
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Even though I'm a devout Catholic like you (a REAL one, not a wanna-be like MSP is), you're definatlely exaggerating. I mean really, you're treating this situation as if it was like the end of the world.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on March 23, 2005, 08:34:35 pm
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Terry Shiavo's sister said she knew her sister and knows she'd never want to be starved to death.  That jerk husband needs to go to jail for ever for attempted homicde(hopefully attempted...).  He was on this death crusade from the beginning for financial reasons.  To he REAL family, I'm very sorry what you are going through and I hope very soon that you get the ruling you want.  These murderers can not get away with their crimes.  Gov. Bush is considering sending the Natl. Guard to the hospital and making them put that feeding tube back in.  Join the crusade to end the culture ofdeath and Euthenesia once and for all!
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Even though I'm a devout Catholic like you (a REAL one, not a wanna-be like MSP is), you're definatlely exaggerating. I mean really, you're treating this situation as if it was like the end of the world.
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Dont you see his mind works like that 24/7...

Something needs to be done about the Supreme Court / Government
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Post by: Elizabeth Rose on March 23, 2005, 08:38:14 pm
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That is a thing about everyone, we always put us ahead of any other spiecies.

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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on March 23, 2005, 08:58:38 pm
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Terry Shiavo's sister said she knew her sister and knows she'd never want to be starved to death.  That jerk husband needs to go to jail for ever for attempted homicde(hopefully attempted...).  He was on this death crusade from the beginning for financial reasons.  To he REAL family, I'm very sorry what you are going through and I hope very soon that you get the ruling you want.  These murderers can not get away with their crimes.  Gov. Bush is considering sending the Natl. Guard to the hospital and making them put that feeding tube back in.  Join the crusade to end the culture ofdeath and Euthenesia once and for all!
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Even though I'm a devout Catholic like you (a REAL one, not a wanna-be like MSP is), you're definatlely exaggerating. I mean really, you're treating this situation as if it was like the end of the world.
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I'm afraid to even answer that one.

But yeah, let's just hope the Supreme Court and the Government will decide to keep her alive.
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Post by: Eva:Gina on March 23, 2005, 10:34:21 pm
Maybe you can take solace in the thought that god has probably taken her soul already. it certainly isnt in her body. So in effect its ok, she has already gone.

and to the thing of "they can fix her if they want to" a heart attack permenatly scars a patch of tissue, heart tissue does not regenerate, it only scars, making that peiece useless. there isnothing you can do to fix it.
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Post by: IZ on March 24, 2005, 04:04:33 am
I'm sure they could cure her using Stem Cells. :P
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on March 24, 2005, 08:00:27 am
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Maybe you can take solace in the thought that god has probably taken her soul already. it certainly isnt in her body. So in effect its ok, she has already gone.

and to the thing of "they can fix her if they want to" a heart attack permenatly scars a patch of tissue, heart tissue does not regenerate, it only scars, making that peiece useless. there isnothing you can do to fix it.
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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on March 24, 2005, 08:03:03 am
A heart attack caused her brain damage.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on March 24, 2005, 08:05:59 am
If I were the parents...I would probably find the best doctor in the world (no matter what the price) and have him say anything about an antidote.
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Post by: super_sayian_spongebob on March 24, 2005, 02:43:04 pm
He'll probably say "I can't find anything that'll help poor ol' Terry".

EDIT: http://www.mix999.com/content/cp_article.a...ws/w032449A.htm (http://www.mix999.com/content/cp_article.asp?id=/global_feeds/CanadianPress/WorldNews/w032449A.htm)

Oh no, this isn't turning out to be good, this may be the end of life for poor ol' Terry.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on March 24, 2005, 05:28:00 pm
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He'll probably say "I can't find anything that'll help poor ol' Terry".

EDIT: http://www.mix999.com/content/cp_article.a...ws/w032449A.htm (http://www.mix999.com/content/cp_article.asp?id=/global_feeds/CanadianPress/WorldNews/w032449A.htm)

Oh no, this isn't turning out to be good, this may be the end of life for poor ol' Terry.
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Post by: Dragon Of Grief on March 24, 2005, 06:33:29 pm
Not only is this murder, but it is torture... I mean, what right have we to play god? She can still move her eyes around, she can go out in public. For god's sake, she is dehydrating to death! That is a very painful way to go. I hope everyone that voted against putting that feeding tube back in her suffer such a similar fate. It's just wrong... plain and simple.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on March 24, 2005, 07:25:25 pm
That's right, it is a slow torturious, unnescessary death.That two-timin' husband, Mr. Shiavo, has been living with another woman for a while and Terri can't sign divorce papers...he just wants her dead for the finances or to get re-married...i dunno.  I just hope that becomes a negative saying...trying to pull a Shiavo on someone because that dredful man certainly deserves it!  Terri Shiavo is brain DAMAGED, not brain dead!  Your soul does not exit your body until you die--saying the soul could be gone now is herasy. I just can't undrstand how liberals can possibly believe this! I just can't believe this--IN AMERICA!  Parants begging, BEGGING their daughter NOT TO BE MURDERD BY DEHYDRATION, AND IGNORED!  IN AMERICA!  But that Bush, I'll tell you!!! Imagine the Supreme Court IGNORING what the President signed!!!!  How can they do that?  That Bush, weather you love him or hate him, you know we have a real human being in the white house.
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Post by: IceFox on March 24, 2005, 11:43:43 pm
Well, if I look at my data from FOX News(Yes, sign of the Appoclypse, I am apparenlty attempting to sound smart)it said that she was happy when her family walked in. I am now on 50/50. Oh yes, and MSP, the Nazi reference. I saw some news thing the other night, that made the same exact reference...
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Post by: Eva:Gina on March 25, 2005, 03:17:27 am
If it has to be done. put it in her parents care and make it quick and simple. not long and drawn out by starvation. it is a horrible way to go. all your insides dry up and blah, i cant even think about it without feeling sick. i agree with the idea. jsut not with this particular instance. and not in this way.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on March 25, 2005, 07:27:53 am
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If it has to be done. put it in her parents care and make it quick and simple. not long and drawn out by starvation. it is a horrible way to go. all your insides dry up and blah, i cant even think about it without feeling sick. i agree with the idea. jsut not with this particular instance. and not in this way.
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Well if you put it in her parents care it wouldnt matter because the dad wants to kill her and the mom wants her to be treated. So there is a no win situation because most likely the dad will get the winning vote.
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Post by: AppleNick on March 25, 2005, 08:17:31 am
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Terry Shiavo's sister said she knew her sister and knows she'd never want to be starved to death.  That jerk husband needs to go to jail for ever for attempted homicde(hopefully attempted...).  He was on this death crusade from the beginning for financial reasons.  To he REAL family, I'm very sorry what you are going through and I hope very soon that you get the ruling you want.  These murderers can not get away with their crimes.  Gov. Bush is considering sending the Natl. Guard to the hospital and making them put that feeding tube back in.  Join the crusade to end the culture ofdeath and Euthenesia once and for all!
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Whoa down, before any of this ever happened to Schiavo, she said that she did not want to be kept on life support if this happened to her.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on March 25, 2005, 07:42:26 pm
There is no proof she said that.  I do not believe she did!!!  There has been talk of potential homicide on the husband's part.  Terri's sister is saying that it's not true.  And I'll bet the sister of Terri knows her better than some murderous husband!
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Post by: IZ on March 25, 2005, 07:55:33 pm
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?busin...shipping=1&x=98 (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?business=bobby@terrisfight.org&cancel_return=http://www.terrisfight.org&cmd=_xclick&business=bobby@terrisfight.org&item_name=Donation+to+The+Terri+Schindler+Schaivo+Foundation&item_number=1-10&no_shipping=1&x=98)

If you feel so strongly that Terri should be kept alive, donate to her.

Michael Schiavo moved on AFTER the ruling was made years ago that Terry was to be kept alive. The ruling was supposed to be final, and he was only required to be her caretaker.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on March 28, 2005, 05:54:23 pm
Well she probably won't survive too much longer.  The left-wingers have won the battle, but the war has just begun.  I'm ashamed to live in a country where they'd allow them to do something like that!  And as for abortion, they say when you have an abortion, the dead baby floats around you.  And when you die a bunch of dead babies float around you.  Imagin seeing this grown up man or woman saying hello I'm the child you massacred.  I could have been somebody.  Why didn't you give me a chance mommy?  Abortion causes mental and emotional anguish to 90% of those who get them eventually.  A mother killing her child.  So sick.  When a man is on death row, it is always their mothersm if no one else, who cry for them and pray for them.  A mother killing her own child--evil beyong belief.  Horrible unheard of suffering.  If ANY pro-"choice" person actually saw an abortion, they'd barf and turn pro-life.  But then again, if they believe in it already... and Euthenesia is just as evil.  Man has value...I can't understand how completly twisted this whole thing is!
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Post by: IZ on March 28, 2005, 06:17:40 pm
It's not a friggin war MSP. Maybe it is to you and your conservative friends, so you can exploit her and gain more votes.
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Post by: Dragon Of Grief on March 28, 2005, 06:19:46 pm
I only hope her misery is over soon...
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Post by: cmonkey on March 28, 2005, 06:48:07 pm
Stop your preaching, MSP.

Both conservatives and liberals live in a paradox.  Conservatives cry over killing a few cells while cheering on wars and capital punishment, while liberals strive for the end of death row and war while allowing the kidding of the unborn.  Of course, that's all a generalization, but you'll find it true for the most part.
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Post by: Dragon Of Grief on March 28, 2005, 06:50:23 pm
Wait, I am conservative and I don't agree with the death sentence... those definitions do not apply to all, cmonkey.
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Post by: cmonkey on March 28, 2005, 06:54:05 pm
Yea, thats why I said it was a generalization.  Generalizations are just general trends for a population, not absolute truths.
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Post by: Dragon Of Grief on March 28, 2005, 07:09:31 pm
I read that after I posted that. lol.
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Post by: Megan on March 28, 2005, 08:06:15 pm
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It's not a hospital, it's a hospice. As in, the place she was sent to die.
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Post by: Eva:Gina on March 28, 2005, 09:38:31 pm
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Well she probably won't survive too much longer.  The left-wingers have won the battle, but the war has just begun.  I'm ashamed to live in a country where they'd allow them to do something like that!  And as for abortion, they say when you have an abortion, the dead baby floats around you.  And when you die a bunch of dead babies float around you.  Imagin seeing this grown up man or woman saying hello I'm the child you massacred.  I could have been somebody.  Why didn't you give me a chance mommy?  Abortion causes mental and emotional anguish to 90% of those who get them eventually.  A mother killing her child.  So sick.  When a man is on death row, it is always their mothersm if no one else, who cry for them and pray for them.  A mother killing her own child--evil beyong belief.  Horrible unheard of suffering.  If ANY pro-"choice" person actually saw an abortion, they'd barf and turn pro-life.  But then again, if they believe in it already... and Euthenesia is just as evil.  Man has value...I can't understand how completly twisted this whole thing is!
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um. yes, an abortion may be traumatic. but what would be more traumatic for the child?? being raised in an orphanage?? if all the people who had abortions were to dump their babies, there would not be enoguh care for them. and babies who are raised with out touch and love dont grow. dont read, write, speak. and somtimes die.
failing that, live wiht a mother who doesnt want them, will probably grow to resent them and raise them in a house where there is no love or support.

i am pro choice, ive seen abortions. i didnt barf. i cried with my firnds, helped them get their lives back on track and sucked it up.

and i say again, if euthenasia is evil to you, you are now morally obliged to forgo any medical care. including painkillers, cough medicine, even sticky plasters.
Your stance is to let people suffer?? If you ever walk into a docters again you are destined to ::Dolphin Noise:: for going against your supposedly christian beleifs.\

Do you even read other peoples posts?? do you not understnad that the world does not take into consideration your feelings?? it does what is BEST for the people they love.
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Post by: IZ on March 29, 2005, 01:30:15 pm
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There is no proof she said that.  I do not believe she did!!!  There has been talk of potential homicide on the husband's part.  Terri's sister is saying that it's not true.  And I'll bet the sister of Terri knows her better than some murderous husband!
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on March 29, 2005, 07:11:34 pm
Going against my Christian beliefs?  As massive and vile a sin Euthenesia is, I'm not sure what I'm going against.  Please tell me.  Terri Shciavo is a strong Roman Catholic and a pro-life activist like me.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on March 29, 2005, 08:06:11 pm
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Going against my Christian beliefs?  As massive and vile a sin Euthenesia is, I'm not sure what I'm going against.  Please tell me.  Terri Shciavo is a strong Roman Catholic and a pro-life activist like me.
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And that's suppose to mean something? Get over it, dude. No one wants to agree with you.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on March 29, 2005, 08:07:59 pm
Fine, support the culture of death.  there's nothing more  I can do.  The Good Lord knows I've done my part.
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Fine, support the culture of death.  there's nothing more  I can do.  The Good Lord knows I've done my part.
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Post by: Eva:Gina on March 30, 2005, 12:29:44 am
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Going against my Christian beliefs?  As massive and vile a sin Euthenesia is, I'm not sure what I'm going against.  Please tell me.  Terri Shciavo is a strong Roman Catholic and a pro-life activist like me.
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your saying that to relive suffering is a sin.
that your merciful, loving god WANTS this poor woman to agonise.

its people like you that make it hard for people like ssj4gogita4 to support their belifs.
you are waht makes people against religion.
there is a huge difference, both ssj4gogita4 and you have (generaly speaking) similar beliefs, but people respect his opinion, not yours.
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Going against my Christian beliefs?  As massive and vile a sin Euthenesia is, I'm not sure what I'm going against.  Please tell me.  Terri Shciavo is a strong Roman Catholic and a pro-life activist like me.
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your saying that to relive suffering is a sin.
that your merciful, loving god WANTS this poor woman to agonise.

its people like you that make it hard for people like ssj4gogita4 to support their belifs.
you are waht makes people against religion.
there is a huge difference, both ssj4gogita4 and you have (generaly speaking) similar beliefs, but people respect his opinion, not yours.
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Im not meaning to defend MSP but I doubt he is the reason why people are against religon. I was raised to believe in god, hung out with the neighbour's children who were right into Christianity (sweetest family might I add) and still I want nothing to do with it. I strayed from the path laid out before me even with guidance of wonderful people. It just didnt feel right to me. Something doesnt add up in my head. Sure some people may avoid religon to avoid people involved in it, but I can only speak for myself and say thats not why Im not apart of it. It has nothing to do with people who have opinions much the same as MSP. Its 2:10 AM, I have to go back to school in a few hours, and as usual Im rambiling. So yeah ignore me.
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Post by: Eva:Gina on March 30, 2005, 02:39:13 am
haha, yeah, i know what you mean. I am saying tho, that the fundamentalists are the people who give christianlity a bad name.
its the stubborn beleif that everyone around them is wrong,a dn not good enough that turns alot of people off.
not from actually practising, but hanging out, or being cool with religion.
Being in a community that is largly amde up of christians, maybe you have not as much ida of how much christians are paid out. In alot of communities, christianity, and religion as a rule is a joke. A woman in my work the other day was going on about how anyone gullible enoguh to be religios hsould be put down, and its a common feeling wiht ALOT of people, more than you thjink. and its people like mplz, the obtrusive demanders that make people think badly of it.
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Post by: Megan on March 30, 2005, 07:06:59 am
MSP, if Terri Schiavo was black, your feelings about this case would be totally different. You've got a problem with not accepting people's opinions, just bashing them for not agreeing with yours. I feel sorry for you when you move out of your mommies house and you have to live in he real world with your characteristics. It's not going to work.
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Post by: MiraclrPlz on March 30, 2005, 07:41:32 pm
So now I get accused of racism for no reason.  Why?!  Well, I am Roman Catholic, and as I said before, Her teachings on Euthenesia is as follows:

Oftendisguised by the name "mercy killing", euthenesia is a form of homicide.  No one has the right to take his own life (suicide) and no one has the right to take the life of an innocent person.  In Euthenesia, the ill or elderly are killed out of a misplaced retarted sence of compassion, but true compassion can never include doing something so intrinsically evil to another human being.

The Nazis did the same thing to the weak.  There is no proof that she wants to die, just from that Frankenstein husband of hers.  Well, she's going to die.  You liberals always get what you want.
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So now I get accused of racism for no reason.  Why?!  Well, I am Roman Catholic, and as I said before, Her teachings on Euthenesia is as follows:

Oftendisguised by the name "mercy killing", euthenesia is a form of homicide.  No one has the right to take his own life (suicide) and no one has the right to take the life of an innocent person.  In Euthenesia, the ill or elderly are killed out of a misplaced retarted sence of compassion, but true compassion can never include doing something so intrinsically evil to another human being.

The Nazis did the same thing to the weak.  There is no proof that she wants to die, just from that Frankenstein husband of hers.  Well, she's going to die.  You liberals always get what you want.
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Post by: Elizabeth Rose on March 30, 2005, 09:13:16 pm
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um. yes, an abortion may be traumatic. but what would be more traumatic for the child?? being raised in an orphanage?? if all the people who had abortions were to dump their babies, there would not be enoguh care for them. and babies who are raised with out touch and love dont grow. dont read, write, speak. and somtimes die.
failing that, live wiht a mother who doesnt want them, will probably grow to resent them and raise them in a house where there is no love or support.

i am pro choice, ive seen abortions. i didnt barf. i cried with my firnds, helped them get their lives back on track and sucked it up.

and i say again, if euthenasia is evil to you, you are now morally obliged to forgo any medical care. including painkillers, cough medicine, even sticky plasters.
Your stance is to let people suffer?? If you ever walk into a docters again you are destined to ::Dolphin Noise:: for going against your supposedly christian beleifs.\

Do you even read other peoples posts?? do you not understnad that the world does not take into consideration your feelings?? it does what is BEST for the people they love.
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I realize you have seen abortions, but you are aware that a nice amount of people who have abortions are upper class women who can afford to take care of their child? Poor women in the ghetto generally can't afford abortions. If you don't want a kid, don't have sex. I realize people have sex for "other" reasons than procreation, but a kid is the end result and the main reason sex is here. Think before you act, and that goes to everyone.

As far the whole mercy-killing euthanasia bull::Dolphin Noise::, that's exactly what it is. No man has the right to take another man's life. Sure, we have war, but war is something that is unavoidable at times. If someone attacks you, you should fight back, else you will die. War is not nearly that same as abortion or euthanasia.

For once, I am standing behind MSP. He's right in this case. Euthanasia is nothing short of murder. What next? Soon the government will decide 100% on who's allowed to live? Will they want to kill children with Down's Syndrom out of "mercy" as well? What about mentally retarded and cerebral palsy children? Why not just murder babies born with AIDS since they will die anyway? The line has to be drawn somewhere.
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Post by: oscar_the_grouch on March 30, 2005, 11:08:40 pm
I dont really understand people. They are all for putting down animals but if you consiter doing it to a human its a big no no. I dont see the differance. If youd consiter doing it to your pet, or have done so, then why isnt it okay to do so to a human?
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Post by: Eva:Gina on March 31, 2005, 01:58:05 am
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I realize you have seen abortions, but you are aware that a nice amount of people who have abortions are upper class women who can afford to take care of their child? Poor women in the ghetto generally can't afford abortions. If you don't want a kid, don't have sex. I realize people have sex for "other" reasons than procreation, but a kid is the end result and the main reason sex is here. Think before you act, and that goes to everyone.

As far the whole mercy-killing euthanasia bull::Dolphin Noise::, that's exactly what it is. No man has the right to take another man's life. Sure, we have war, but war is something that is unavoidable at times. If someone attacks you, you should fight back, else you will die. War is not nearly that same as abortion or euthanasia.

For once, I am standing behind MSP. He's right in this case. Euthanasia is nothing short of murder. What next? Soon the government will decide 100% on who's allowed to live? Will they want to kill children with Down's Syndrom out of "mercy" as well? What about mentally retarded and cerebral palsy children? Why not just murder babies born with AIDS since they will die anyway? The line has to be drawn somewhere.
Dont be melodramatic. I have said, that in THIS instance, i dont agree with it. because there is somthing obviously unhinged with the husband.

and just because somone is rich, it DOES NOT mean they would make a good parent. what does the economic state a person may be in have to do with the desire, or ability to raise children. dont be a snob, your pretty much saying htat if your rich, your smarter and more compassionate than enyone poorer than you. My boyfrinds mum is poor. she was VERY poor when she had him. and shes a fantastic mum. My exs mum was a millionare (litteretly) and she was a crapp parent.  i do understand your point of poor people not being able to afford them. where i live they are free if you are under 22. and you have to go through 2 doctors and be assessed in able to get one. Its not like you can just rock up, drop your pants and they'll do it in the foyer.

And what an amazing thing to say. its very sterotypically american, just what the rest of the world expects. "war is inevitable" like afganistan?? like hte twin towers thing, they attacked you first?? no they didnt, people dont do things like that on a whim, they do it out of shere desperation because greedy countries are sucking htem dry and leaving them to rot.

And with euthenasia. One day i think it is going to come to the point where we will have to enforce mandatory abortions, and kill off weak/ sick/ crippled/ handicapped children. its sick, i know, and dont think i would support it, or like it. but the world is NOT ABLE to sustain us.

it'll be our animal instincts telling us to lower the population, the same way rats will kill each other if there are too many in one cage.

Killing one woman, to end her suffering, is nothing compared to slaughtering thousands of innocent families with bombs and guns. If you think war is fair enough, your priorities are screwed up. no wonder society is going down the crapper.
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Post by: Elizabeth Rose on March 31, 2005, 07:44:48 am
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Dont be melodramatic. I have said, that in THIS instance, i dont agree with it. because there is somthing obviously unhinged with the husband.

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and just because somone is rich, it DOES NOT mean they would make a good parent. what does the economic state a person may be in have to do with the desire, or ability to raise children. dont be a snob, your pretty much saying htat if your rich, your smarter and more compassionate than enyone poorer than you. My boyfrinds mum is poor. she was VERY poor when she had him. and shes a fantastic mum. My exs mum was a millionare (litteretly) and she was a crapp parent.  i do understand your point of poor people not being able to afford them. where i live they are free if you are under 22. and you have to go through 2 doctors and be assessed in able to get one. Its not like you can just rock up, drop your pants and they'll do it in the foyer.

No, just because someone is rich doesn't mean they will be a good parent, but they can afford to keep kids up, so they have no excuse to abort them. I never at any point said rich people are "smarter and more compassionate than enyone poorer than you" because that's not true. I come from a family of four (actually five, but he's gone away in the Marines) children and we are far from rich. I don't call wondering if you can keep your house, or whether or not you can have needed clothing items because the business area is screwing your dad over rich. My parents have been very good to me. Just because you are poor doesn't mean your white trash. :)

Free under 22? I don't like the sound of that. Can a 15 year old girl get one without her parents consent?

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And what an amazing thing to say. its very sterotypically american, just what the rest of the world expects. "war is inevitable" like afganistan?? like hte twin towers thing, they attacked you first?? no they didnt, people dont do things like that on a whim, they do it out of shere desperation because greedy countries are sucking htem dry and leaving them to rot.

Yes, I'm afraid they do do those things "on a whim". That is why they are called terrorists.

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And with euthenasia. One day i think it is going to come to the point where we will have to enforce mandatory abortions, and kill off weak/ sick/ crippled/ handicapped children. its sick, i know, and dont think i would support it, or like it. but the world is NOT ABLE to sustain us.

it'll be our animal instincts telling us to lower the population, the same way rats will kill each other if there are too many in one cage.

That may happen, but it won't be because we have to. It will be because we are sick. That's a violation of plain ole human rights.
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Killing one woman, to end her suffering, is nothing compared to slaughtering thousands of innocent families with bombs and guns. If you think war is fair enough, your priorities are screwed up. no wonder society is going down the crapper.
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Yes, yes it is. We murdered her. War is "fair enough". And killing thousands of innocent families? Not really. In many places, if not all, they leave alone anyone not trying to kill them. They go through houses in search of terrorists, but they don't hurt anyone that doesn't try to stop them.

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Post by: IZ on March 31, 2005, 08:41:16 am
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Going against my Christian beliefs?  As massive and vile a sin Euthenesia is, I'm not sure what I'm going against.  Please tell me.  Terri Shciavo is a strong Roman Catholic and a pro-life activist like me.
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So if she was a black, liberal, atheist pro-choice activist, you'd be OK with letting her die?
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Post by: oscar_the_grouch on March 31, 2005, 05:05:48 pm
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Killing one woman, to end her suffering, is nothing compared to slaughtering thousands of innocent families with bombs and guns. If you think war is fair enough, your priorities are screwed up. no wonder society is going down the crapper.

Have to agree. I dont see how people can consiter war okay but are against this.
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Post by: Eva:Gina on April 01, 2005, 12:40:39 am
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Dont be melodramatic. I have said, that in THIS instance, i dont agree with it. because there is somthing obviously unhinged with the husband.

The euthanasia comment was not directed at you, just the abortion part.

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and just because somone is rich, it DOES NOT mean they would make a good parent. what does the economic state a person may be in have to do with the desire, or ability to raise children. dont be a snob, your pretty much saying htat if your rich, your smarter and more compassionate than enyone poorer than you. My boyfrinds mum is poor. she was VERY poor when she had him. and shes a fantastic mum. My exs mum was a millionare (litteretly) and she was a crapp parent.  i do understand your point of poor people not being able to afford them. where i live they are free if you are under 22. and you have to go through 2 doctors and be assessed in able to get one. Its not like you can just rock up, drop your pants and they'll do it in the foyer.

No, just because someone is rich doesn't mean they will be a good parent, but they can afford to keep kids up, so they have no excuse to abort them. I never at any point said rich people are "smarter and more compassionate than enyone poorer than you" because that's not true. I come from a family of four (actually five, but he's gone away in the Marines) children and we are far from rich. I don't call wondering if you can keep your house, or whether or not you can have needed clothing items because the business area is screwing your dad over rich. My parents have been very good to me. Just because you are poor doesn't mean your white trash. :)

Free under 22? I don't like the sound of that. Can a 15 year old girl get one without her parents consent?

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And what an amazing thing to say. its very sterotypically american, just what the rest of the world expects. "war is inevitable" like afganistan?? like hte twin towers thing, they attacked you first?? no they didnt, people dont do things like that on a whim, they do it out of shere desperation because greedy countries are sucking htem dry and leaving them to rot.

Yes, I'm afraid they do do those things "on a whim". That is why they are called terrorists.

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And with euthenasia. One day i think it is going to come to the point where we will have to enforce mandatory abortions, and kill off weak/ sick/ crippled/ handicapped children. its sick, i know, and dont think i would support it, or like it. but the world is NOT ABLE to sustain us.

it'll be our animal instincts telling us to lower the population, the same way rats will kill each other if there are too many in one cage.

That may happen, but it won't be because we have to. It will be because we are sick. That's a violation of plain ole human rights.
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Yes, yes it is. We murdered her. War is "fair enough". And killing thousands of innocent families? Not really. In many places, if not all, they leave alone anyone not trying to kill them. They go through houses in search of terrorists, but they don't hurt anyone that doesn't try to stop them.
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what do you mean "they have no excuse"?? thay might not feel able to raise children,a nd not be willing to put their offspings life into anothers hands. that is excuse enough. im not sayin that just cos your ppor your white trash. im saying htat jsut cos your rich it doesnt make you capable. michael jackson was rich untill a little while ago.

umm, yeah, i htink you can get them under 15. im not sure. eveyone i know was over.

the twin towers were not on a whim. do you know what it means?? (seriously) it means with no forward planning.
The crashes were very cautiosly planned, because they were sick of your economic system growing more and more wealthy at their expense. you do know htat you are in the worlds top wealthiest 8%.
question your propaganda. the rest of the world gets both sides of the story.

there have been between 8-15 thousand civialina deaths caused my americans in iraq, and tens of thousands more in afganistan.
they hurt plenty of people that dont try to stop them. bombs arent selective. neither are bullets. they are trained to shoot hten ask questions.
you have been amazingly blinded, and you are very, very ignorant. im not saying its your fault, you are kept from the information.
but its realy sad that you think its ok to murder. in the name of oil.
you put your car ahead of human life. whos sick now??  :sad:

and i know your going to say im wrong, but our media isnt and censored as yours. we get facts, not crazy fundimentalist propaganda.