I admit I was getting a bit upset, as I usually do when folks wax nostalgic over the "good old days," until I saw Megan's post (to which I said "thank you, thank you, thank you!!!")
I'll say this again later, but I don't blame anyone for believing the "old days" to be fundamentally better than today. I'm going to disagree, yes, but I don't blame anyone for their perspectives (I'm not on anyone's case here--I'm upset at the content of the comments, not the individuals who made them.) Let me explain what I mean:
To say that "everything seemed perfect then" (Fifth Dynasty) is to exhibit a profound amnesia about the violent history of the United States against people of color. Sure, the "old days" were a time in which you could "relax" (Patback)--but only if you were white (and a white man in particular.)
Again, I'm not blaming anyone here. Why? Because I believe the blame lies squarely with our school education. I mean, how do you tell children, especially young ones, that Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote "All men are created equal," owned nearly 200 black slaves at the same time? We end up becoming profoundly unaware of this country's history--and this is what leads us to believe that the "old days" were necessarily better. We're given a watered-down version of US history that insulates us from some of the not-so-admirable actions white people have taken against people of color in the name of freedom and democracy--such as removing Native Americans from their land, killing off 90% of them through (mainly) disease and acts of violence, and sticking the rest on reservations, effectively violating every treaty the (white) US government made with them. From a Native American point of view, the old days are hardly "perfect."
One can say that people "showed more respect and there was more love and care" in the old days, but it was only white people doing that--to each other, not to black people. Prior to the civil rights movement of the 1960s, white kids--especially in the South, but not just there--were socialized to consider blacks inferior. They wouldn't be allowed to play with black kids and were taught to disrespect them. That was the culture of the time.
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That was, good?
I prefer the old times. My Social Studies teacher said some of his friends drank the rain when it was in the old times. I wanna play in the rain and don't get sick. Meh, so much killing now.
today.Because did you know in the 1770s kids had to WORK.
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REALLY! OMG I DIDN'T KNOW THAT :rolleyes:
Anyways I think the New World times would be an interesting era to visit myself. When everything was starting to get settled... and when our white ancestors raped the Indian's land, stole their crops, and forced them onto tiny reservations... YAY HISTORY :biggrin:
I admit I was getting a bit upset, as I usually do when folks wax nostalgic over the "good old days," until I saw Megan's post (to which I said "thank you, thank you, thank you!!!")
I'll say this again later, but I don't blame anyone for believing the "old days" to be fundamentally better than today. I'm going to disagree, yes, but I don't blame anyone for their perspectives (I'm not on anyone's case here--I'm upset at the content of the comments, not the individuals who made them.) Let me explain what I mean:
To say that "everything seemed perfect then" (Fifth Dynasty) is to exhibit a profound amnesia about the violent history of the United States against people of color. Sure, the "old days" were a time in which you could "relax" (Patback)--but only if you were white (and a white man in particular.)
Again, I'm not blaming anyone here. Why? Because I believe the blame lies squarely with our school education. I mean, how do you tell children, especially young ones, that Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote "All men are created equal," owned nearly 200 black slaves at the same time? We end up becoming profoundly unaware of this country's history--and this is what leads us to believe that the "old days" were necessarily better. We're given a watered-down version of US history that insulates us from some of the not-so-admirable actions white people have taken against people of color in the name of freedom and democracy--such as removing Native Americans from their land, killing off 90% of them through (mainly) disease and acts of violence, and sticking the rest on reservations, effectively violating every treaty the (white) US government made with them. From a Native American point of view, the old days are hardly "perfect."
One can say that people "showed more respect and there was more love and care" in the old days, but it was only white people doing that--to each other, not to black people. Prior to the civil rights movement of the 1960s, white kids--especially in the South, but not just there--were socialized to consider blacks inferior. They wouldn't be allowed to play with black kids and were taught to disrespect them. That was the culture of the time.
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I'm sorry that your comment is being ignored. I agree, however, Its not entirely the Schools falt. The media and hollywood make the '50's to be a picture of pleasntville (the movie) or "Leave it to Beaver". Nothing ever went wrong and every day was ended happily. Lets not forget the sugarcoated language and yes, the racism. Things of today existed them. Like homosexuality, racism, domestic violence and drugs. The difference between then and now (civil rights movement aside) is that issues like that were in the backround and well hidden "behind closed doors" so-to-speak. Now, all of this is right in front of you and ready for you to examine and make an opinion. A lot more awareness in things like abuse and more avenues to deal with it...
today.Because did you know in the 1770s kids had to WORK.
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Oh yup, you would have a heart attack if you got off your butt and worked.
today.Because did you know in the 1770s kids had to WORK.
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Oh yup, you would have a heart attack if you got off your butt and worked.
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Uhm. They lacked child labor laws. You hate school, right? Well most kids then wanted to go to school. It was either that or work in the fields all day, all night.
today.Because did you know in the 1770s kids had to WORK.
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Oh yup, you would have a heart attack if you got off your butt and worked.
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Uhm. They lacked child labor laws. You hate school, right? Well most kids then wanted to go to school. It was either that or work in the fields all day, all night.
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Oh, THAT work. I thought you meant like normal yard work and stuff. My bad.
I admit I was getting a bit upset, as I usually do when folks wax nostalgic over the "good old days," until I saw Megan's post (to which I said "thank you, thank you, thank you!!!")
I'll say this again later, but I don't blame anyone for believing the "old days" to be fundamentally better than today. I'm going to disagree, yes, but I don't blame anyone for their perspectives (I'm not on anyone's case here--I'm upset at the content of the comments, not the individuals who made them.) Let me explain what I mean:
To say that "everything seemed perfect then" (Fifth Dynasty) is to exhibit a profound amnesia about the violent history of the United States against people of color. Sure, the "old days" were a time in which you could "relax" (Patback)--but only if you were white (and a white man in particular.)
Again, I'm not blaming anyone here. Why? Because I believe the blame lies squarely with our school education. I mean, how do you tell children, especially young ones, that Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote "All men are created equal," owned nearly 200 black slaves at the same time? We end up becoming profoundly unaware of this country's history--and this is what leads us to believe that the "old days" were necessarily better. We're given a watered-down version of US history that insulates us from some of the not-so-admirable actions white people have taken against people of color in the name of freedom and democracy--such as removing Native Americans from their land, killing off 90% of them through (mainly) disease and acts of violence, and sticking the rest on reservations, effectively violating every treaty the (white) US government made with them. From a Native American point of view, the old days are hardly "perfect."
One can say that people "showed more respect and there was more love and care" in the old days, but it was only white people doing that--to each other, not to black people. Prior to the civil rights movement of the 1960s, white kids--especially in the South, but not just there--were socialized to consider blacks inferior. They wouldn't be allowed to play with black kids and were taught to disrespect them. That was the culture of the time.
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I'm sorry that your comment is being ignored. I agree, however, Its not entirely the Schools falt. The media and hollywood make the '50's to be a picture of pleasntville (the movie) or "Leave it to Beaver". Nothing ever went wrong and every day was ended happily. Lets not forget the sugarcoated language and yes, the racism. Things of today existed them. Like homosexuality, racism, domestic violence and drugs. The difference between then and now (civil rights movement aside) is that issues like that were in the backround and well hidden "behind closed doors" so-to-speak. Now, all of this is right in front of you and ready for you to examine and make an opinion. A lot more awareness in things like abuse and more avenues to deal with it...
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Maybe I should have put more thought into my post. Ernest310 and Isnt Anything, I think you are both great thinkers and state your views very thouroughly. Good job.
As I have said, I should have thought through my opinion a little more. I now understand there is no time where you everyone can "relax". There will always be a problem in the world. There will always be people who can't just stand back and let nature take its course.