When the devil is frying your head with a pitchfork, you write back to me an tell me this abomination is harmless.
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God forgives -_-' He won't care so much that you had sex before you got married. He won't go "Bad!" and throw you down. You'll probably just stay in purgatory or just go straight to heaven.
When the devil is frying your head with a pitchfork, you write back to me an tell me this abomination is harmless.
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But the thing actually is harmless - you would not go to h3ll because of it whether it exists or not.
EDIT: hey everyone, lets all make topics exclusivly to make people flame!!
i have sex before marrige.
andi have had sex with absolutly no intention of marrige what so ever.
i really dont see how its up to you, or anyone else to tell me what my rights are.
the way i see it, the way i was explained it, god let us have free will cos he loved us. if he cared that much he would have just made us all beliven ad behave.
and if he was so powerfull then the majority of the world wouldnt be going to hel, cos the majority doent believe in your god.
anyways, there are no right or wrong answers, for you have no proof.
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Wow, NZ minds really are great.
I also believe that sex should be something special shared between a married couple and for the right reasons.
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Okay, let's cool it down with the topics based on religion. These topics are really getting old because it keeps turning into Christians/believers of God and the Bible vs everyone else and the same arguments keep coming up in EVERY topic. It's getting quite old.
You're on a role tonight kid.
I've already had sex before marriage. It's not like I did it without protection, and it's not like I got pregnant. I, personally, just don't see the huge thing about marriage. Maybe this is because I am not Christian, and don't believe in getting married in the Christian Church, which really stresses marriage.
If your God really didn't want you to not sin, he wouldn't have given you free will.
Billy Holiday was born out of wedlock.
At this point, that's the only famous person I can find born out of wedlock, but I'm still looking for a scientist, as I recall there was one, I just can't put a name or invention to it.
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I hate to do this, but it's Billie Holiday. Sorry, little things like that bother me.
Another famous person is Edgar Allen Poe.
When the devil is frying your head with a pitchfork, you write back to me an tell me this abomination is harmless.
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I can safely say MSP i've never really said anything against you so far since i've been here on these forums, im not that kind of person, but, when i come on here, and see yet another pointless bloody thread started by you expecting controvercy and arguing, it really ::Dolphin Noise::es me off. and when you go and write something so dam stupid as what ive quoted above, it gets me even more angry.
I am a 19, nearly 20 year old student, i have my own religeous beliefs, and i choose how i want to live my life, if i want to have sex with someone whom i love, such as my girl friend, then i will. One thing i dont do, is go online and blast my beliefs all over a forum which should be innocent, and fun. The SPongebob forums are fun, but posts like this make it sour.
Its like you almost posts things like this to make us turn on eachother.
Anyway MSP, ive never said anything bad about you, and i hope to never again, i really hate doing it, but seriously, stop it with these down right ridiculous posts.
I hate to do this, but it's Billie Holiday. Sorry, little things like that bother me.
Another famous person is Edgar Allen Poe.
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I didn't know, I just found the name on a website. And that's how it was spelt. I know how you feel, though, because when people spell accordion 'accordian' or Megadeth 'Megadeath' I get royally irked.
But, I mentioned a famous person, because it's the argument used in the abortion debate. If it weren't for someone having sex out of wedlock, certain famous people would never have been born, and so we would be missing things that made this Earth what it is today. For all you know, you might not even be born, because Billie Holiday was never born. Think about that for a bit.
Of course, certain famous, evil people would never have been born, either, but hey...if people can overlook that with the abortion topic, they can overlook it in this topic, as well.
Ah, that question arouses. "If we really love egotherr, why is love making so wrong? It seems so normal, natural, and good?"
ANSWER:
It is normal. It is natural. It is good. It's even beautiful, holy and sacred but-in marriage[/font] only! As thou arn't not married, you haven't the right to such intimacies. LISTEN UP! MSP gonna try to get u to get the truth. You wouldn't put a knife in each other's body just for the thrill of it--would you? Then don't put a knife in egother's soul! Some poor lost souls try to be good. They even go to Holy Communion and fall again.
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I have a slogan just for you...
"Marriage... the end of a perfectly good sex life!"
Haha. Yeah, it's true. Sex before marriage isn't right but that doesn't stop people form doing it. And anyways, God can just forgive them. Sex isn't just for mating you know. It is for pleasure as well. Not just to pop out kids every nine months.
Everyone thinks about sex before marraige but 85% of the time it wont happen. I wont have sex at all. I'm not that kind of guy.
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So, are you just not planning on kids, or do you want to adopt/kidnap?
Everyone thinks about sex before marraige but 85% of the time it wont happen. I wont have sex at all. I'm not that kind of guy.
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So, are you just not planning on kids, or do you want to adopt/kidnap?
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You can have kids by not having sex.
i have a question
apart from why god or you church, seeing as the two dont go hand in hand, said it, why is sex before marrige bad?
what actual reason that isnt some outdated propaganda to control the masses?
*now laughs as msp ignores a ost he cant find somthing to cut and paste about :biggrin: *
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Oh, you hit the perfect question I'm wanting the answer of.
That's right. I know what is evil and harmful to the world is most often what is most popular. But the fact that it is evil never changes.
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Question is: What IS Evil??
Does EVIL actually exist??
Are we good if we follow what someone else says and ignore others??
The truth is, we don't know ANYTHING .
I think you should have sex when you are married and want to have KIDS. Not for pleasure.
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I agree. That's why I'm never going to have it. ^_^
Everyone thinks about sex before marraige but 85% of the time it wont happen. I wont have sex at all. I'm not that kind of guy.
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So, are you just not planning on kids, or do you want to adopt/kidnap?
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You can have kids by not having sex.
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so...are you going to live inside a plastic bubble all your life? :mellow:
Sorry guys...most of you WILL have sex before you're 20...that's life....that's the stats.
Everyone thinks about sex before marraige but 85% of the time it wont happen. I wont have sex at all. I'm not that kind of guy.
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So, are you just not planning on kids, or do you want to adopt/kidnap?
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You can have kids by not having sex.
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so...are you going to live inside a plastic bubble all your life? :mellow:
Sorry guys...most of you WILL have sex before you're 20...that's life....that's the stats.
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They have done follow up studies of the absitance programs don't really work. 55% of people have sex before they graduate. And the people who have had the absitance programs have a higher incidence of oral, and anal sex. They just deley the average age of the 1st time by 1.5 years.
EVen thinking about sex when you aren't married is a sin... therefor you are all sinners... SINNERS!
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Duh.
but thats just YOUR opinion
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So yours is right? Everyone has their opinion. Respect it. Eat it. Live it.
And whoever said that all of us will have sex before we are 20...that is a load of bull.
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i said MOST. :mellow:
Lookit...When i was ya'lls age...i promised myself i was never gonna "do it" until i was married, and only with someone i loved, ETC....(at this point i have to say that religion has never played a role in my life, so that was no influence).
but....the older you get in these next years...you CHANGE. your priorities SHIFT. Your physical wants/needs take presidence over what is right/moral. sex may be disgusting to Sarah now...but in 7 years it may NOT be. (i'm just making a point Sarah, no disrespect to ya)
Ok...but to stay on Topic...Sex inside marriage is a RELIGIOUS stance, and have no religion....just responsibility and common sense. I'm done. :ph34r:
And whoever said that all of us will have sex before we are 20...that is a load of bull.
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i said MOST. :mellow:
Lookit...When i was ya'lls age...i promised myself i was never gonna "do it" until i was married, and only with someone i loved, ETC....(at this point i have to say that religion has never played a role in my life, so that was no influence).
but....the older you get in these next years...you CHANGE. your priorities SHIFT. Your physical wants/needs take presidence over what is right/moral. sex may be disgusting to Sarah now...but in 7 years it may NOT be. (i'm just making a point Sarah, no disrespect to ya)
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Im sorry. ^_^;;
But on the topic of ideas shifting...I seem to detest boys touching me anyway...I've repelled almost every boy at skool...so I've lost my chance of a boyfriend.
If I have no boyfriend, I have no love...and no desire to 'do it'.
Plus, as my opinion, sex doesn't look fun at all. :biggrin:
Using "protection" is not okay. It's Sb4M is not done in the first place because it's evil. One evil on top of another evil?
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Protection is good if you dont want that many kids or none at all. Would you rather have quintuplets or sextuplets? I DONT THINK SO.
It is vile and evil sin and murder so i makes it my buisness. Birth control should be illegal everywheres
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Abortian is kinda bad but thaty's why you use protection, not no sex, fullstop.
But it's a sin it stops life from being born. How would you feel if you were an "accident"? This horrible sin. Your parents may had had another kid but nothing like you. It stops life from happening life is God's plan LIKE IT OR MNOT.
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Um, I was an accident. Doesn't really bother me.
It is vile and evil sin and murder so i makes it my buisness. Birth control should be illegal everywheres
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how is hte fact that i ahve sex and of your business??
dude, i DO NOT BEILIVE IN YOUR GOD
therefore, stop being so self rightous, what you think your god cares about, does not affect my reletionship with my bofriend at all.
make it your business if you want, but i think god is probably shaking his head at you
and my brother was an accident, its not really an issue
And really, MiraclrPlz, you have no right telling people when/how they should have sex. This is not currently a debate, it is you repeating how terrible sex is over and over while others attempt useful conversation. This is useless.
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It really is.
But it's a sin it stops life from being born. How would you feel if you were an "accident"? This horrible sin. Your parents may had had another kid but nothing like you. It stops life from happening life is God's plan LIKE IT OR MNOT.
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umm, actually, doesnt god already know what we are going to do, before we are even born?? it can hardly be against gods plan then, can it??
your argument is full of holes.
protection, from unwanted children. its either a peice of latex or a visit to the scary ward of our local hospital in my case. no way am i having kids, im only 21.
bring on the latex :biggrin:
(ew, some gross mental pictures then, msp in latex body suit. man, i REALLY hate my mind somtimes)
Using "protection" is not okay. It's Sb4M is not done in the first place because it's evil. One evil on top of another evil?
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I can't wait until you have over 30 kids and don't have enough money to support them all...and wind up suffering from your own stupid actions.
I bet if you took a poll of if contraceptives are 'good or bad'....MSP would be the only one who voted for they where 'bad'. :biggrin:
If people have sex out of marriage, it's their buisness, not anyone elses (unless the woman gets pregnant) therefor MSP, you should keep your nose out of other peoples PRIVATE lives!
You do realise you are infiltrating people private lives and trying to smuther them with your so called 'beleifs', trying to prove your points, when infact you are talking senceless babble that is irrelivent to the topic.
And who even mentioned anything on contraceptives back on page 4!!? Noone. :rolleyes:
And what is evil? Does evil even exist? Does good even exist?....and who really cares? :tongue:
Now back on topic.
On that same note, this time will be different with different people. I do not view sex as a simple, in and out (pardon the pun, and for those who have seen Clockwork Orange, you will get even a greater kick out of that)
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Has anyone actually read the book? Seems like everyone just saw the movie.
....so any sperm will be sent back to heaven, becuase angels are in us, and the soul just goes back to heaven, no big deal, we'll meet them someday anyways, geez msp.
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How many times do I have to put this...a SPERM CELL is just the same as a SKIN CELL from the male, it has NO BRAIN and only 50% of all the males genetic codes.
Sperm and Egg cells are not living things, they are meer cells.
Science class is there for a reason, to LEARN.
....so any sperm will be sent back to heaven, becuase angels are in us, and the soul just goes back to heaven, no big deal, we'll meet them someday anyways, geez msp.
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How many times do I have to put this...a SPERM CELL is just the same as a SKIN CELL from the male, it has NO BRAIN and only 50% of all the males genetic codes.
Sperm and Egg cells are not living things, they are meer cells.
Science class is there for a reason, to LEARN.
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Yet again, you're right.
they are so pathetic!! stupid little things charging towrd this GINORMOUS egg, so funny
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Err.....great little description yet again :tongue:
....so any sperm will be sent back to heaven, becuase angels are in us, and the soul just goes back to heaven, no big deal, we'll meet them someday anyways, geez msp.
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How many times do I have to put this...a SPERM CELL is just the same as a SKIN CELL from the male, it has NO BRAIN and only 50% of all the males genetic codes.
Sperm and Egg cells are not living things, they are meer cells.
Science class is there for a reason, to LEARN.
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Yes, its there to learn, but its not all fact. Half of it is someones theory. Plus, science can't explain a lot of things. And they (scientists) are in fact moving away from things like the the evolution theory and such nonsense. Science can only explain so much. Even if the "big bang" were true, how did all that matter get there in the first place? BEFORE the "bang"? And if science can explain away so much, tell me, why they cant create a full human? Create a clone of the earth? Stars? Planets? Science cant do any of that. We didnt create ourselves and science cant explain bullchip as far as I'm concerned.
As for unborn babies going back to heaven before being born? Tis' true. The baby hadnt been born, so, it had no chance to sin yet. Even if the mother has a misscarrage or an abortion.
6 pages...Jeez, sex before marriage is bad but people are going to do it anyways. There's nothing you can do it about it either...Unless you make a complaint where if you have sex you automaticly get married...poor pros- I won't finish that word.
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It's only 3 pages for me :tongue:
Has anyone actually read the book? Seems like everyone just saw the movie.
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Reading the book as we speak. It was confusing for the first twenty pages, but now that I'm halfway through, I'm used to it. I stopped reading The Road To McCarthy's for this! :P
Yes, its there to learn, but its not all fact. Half of it is someones theory. Plus, science can't explain a lot of things. And they (scientists) are in fact moving away from things like the the evolution theory and such nonsense. Science can only explain so much. Even if the "big bang" were true, how did all that matter get there in the first place? BEFORE the "bang"? And if science can explain away so much, tell me, why they cant create a full human? Create a clone of the earth? Stars? Planets? Science cant do any of that. We didnt create ourselves and science cant explain bullchip as far as I'm concerned.
not true. theory is hardly any of it nowdays.
the big bang has to remain theory, and no one has ever claimed that it is definatly the way it happened, its jsut an idea. how can they prove something htat they cant study. which is NOT the case for most of hte things you will learn in class.
they can create a clone of a human, they jsut arent allowed to, for moral reasons.
it is fact that there are sex cells that have half of your genitic code in them. is it fact that you have traits from both your father and motheres side??
if you are going to renounce science, you are then under moral obligation to live in a cave and eat raw meat. all of the comforts that you enjoy are science, so stop being so melodramatic
Edit: that came out worse than it is ment, but you get my point??
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You couldn't be more right, Eva:Gina....the only problem is, that some people just don't want to accept that science isn't all theory.
Eveerything that people ask and question science about has already (or should have been) explained to them in high school...such as creation of stars and planets...creations of human beings.
Its the bloomin church that has caused everyone to forget the truth and beleive it is all a lie.
Gullable...absolutly gullable.
Its the bloomin church that has caused everyone to forget the truth and beleive it is all a lie.
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You couldn't be more right.
Using "protection" is not okay. It's Sb4M is not done in the first place because it's evil. One evil on top of another evil?
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I know this is asking a lot out of you but please THINK for one second. Condoms protect against STDs, unwanted babies, etc. How can they be evil if they do so much good for someone?
I can't stand babies...too much pain giving birth to a screaming brat. lol.
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agreed
tho i do like hte whole big belly/ getting everyting done for you thing
i dont so much like the swollen ankles, heammoroids horrible cow to everyone thing
Has anyone actually read the book? Seems like everyone just saw the movie.
I have not. I only saw the movie because Stanley Kubrick directed it. I'll look into it though; is the story similar, or quite different?
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I havent seen the movie, but from what I've heard its just as graphic as the book. The slang is in the book and there is the famous 21st chapter in the new US printings. Its a good book. The movie is on my growing list of movies I want to see.
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The book makes me want to tolchock the chelloveck who wrote it (Anthony Burgess) in the litso. It's a very starry book but it is indeed a bit malenky. BAH! I have a copy of the book from 1962, first printing I think. It has the dictionary in the back. BLAH! But seriously! In the movie they make him seem older than 15, and the woman he killed...it wasn't exactly as in the book...but for the most part, it followed the book splendidly.
Ah, that question arouses. "If we really love egotherr, why is love making so wrong? It seems so normal, natural, and good?"
ANSWER:
It is normal. It is natural. It is good. It's even beautiful, holy and sacred but-in marriage[/font] only! As thou arn't not married, you haven't the right to such intimacies. LISTEN UP! MSP gonna try to get u to get the truth. You wouldn't put a knife in each other's body just for the thrill of it--would you? Then don't put a knife in egother's soul! Some poor lost souls try to be good. They even go to Holy Communion and fall again.
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UNRELATED: Judging by things I've seen you post, it seems you interpret everything in the Bible too literally. If you knew what the Bible was, you would know that the Bible uses metaphors and its not to be taken completely literally. And the Bible is meant to be interpreted the way YOU interpret it, not word for word.
Back to the topic: I dont see why having sex before marriage is a sin. It simply shouldnt be. Sex is meant for couples to share their love and to be able to pass their love onto a new human. In my opinion, it shouldnt be a sin, since sex is basically love. If you love your partner truthfully, then sex should be an act of love not sin.
Sex can be evil when it is used to take advantage of someone IE Sexual Abuse, Rape, Incest, etc. But it can be good too. It is all what you make of it.
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That tends to be how everything is. Anything can be used for good or evil, all depending on the intent of the act.
......I have nothing further to debate about...Im all out of ideas.
But before I go, I DO have something to add.
Sex before marriage isn't illigal, therfore it isn't wrong.
Underage sex is illigal, but that is where I stop, I have nothing to say about that.
Im too tired to think...I'll come back later.
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Adultery isnt illegal either. Is that right? Just because something is legal doesnt mean its right..
......I have nothing further to debate about...Im all out of ideas.
But before I go, I DO have something to add.
Sex before marriage isn't illigal, therfore it isn't wrong.
Underage sex is illigal, but that is where I stop, I have nothing to say about that.
Im too tired to think...I'll come back later.
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Adultery isnt illegal either. Is that right? Just because something is legal doesnt mean its right..
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it is acutually illigal in a way.
its a personal matter, so the goverenment CANT get involved, like abortion or pre-marital sex, its against human rights (tho mr bush thinks he has hte right to anyway.)
but, when it comes to divorces and stuff, if you cheat, you are going against hte contract that you sign on your wedding day.
......I have nothing further to debate about...Im all out of ideas.
But before I go, I DO have something to add.
Sex before marriage isn't illigal, therfore it isn't wrong.
Underage sex is illigal, but that is where I stop, I have nothing to say about that.
Im too tired to think...I'll come back later.
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What a crock. Just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it right. In some places, at some times (don't know if this still goes on, but it did a few years ago) it's legal to marry 10 year old girls. Heck, I think some Muslim guy was allowed to marry a six year old. That was legal, but it was certainly wrong.
......I have nothing further to debate about...Im all out of ideas.
But before I go, I DO have something to add.
Sex before marriage isn't illigal, therfore it isn't wrong.
Underage sex is illigal, but that is where I stop, I have nothing to say about that.
Im too tired to think...I'll come back later.
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Adultery isnt illegal either. Is that right? Just because something is legal doesnt mean its right..
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it is acutually illigal in a way.
its a personal matter, so the goverenment CANT get involved, like abortion or pre-marital sex, its against human rights (tho mr bush thinks he has hte right to anyway.)
but, when it comes to divorces and stuff, if you cheat, you are going against hte contract that you sign on your wedding day.
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So, you like to play technicalities?
oh god, what is your problem.
are you gonna be hte new msp?? jsut spazzing at every point htat may contradict yours??
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Ok, fine whatever. My problem is ignorance. But, you are right. I'm not going to argue over something senseless with a brick wall. You believe what you want. But please, fix your typos and learn to spell. And quit ytipyng ilke hits.
oh god, what is your problem.
are you gonna be hte new msp?? jsut spazzing at every point htat may contradict yours??
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Ok, fine whatever. My problem is ignorance. But, you are right. I'm not going to argue over something senseless with a brick wall. You believe what you want. But please, fix your typos and learn to spell. And quit ytipyng ilke hits.
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Ok, seriously, it's not that bad. You just have to learn to deal with it. Who cares about the typos, as long as you can figure out what she says, then she can do what she wants.
oh god, what is your problem.
are you gonna be hte new msp?? jsut spazzing at every point htat may contradict yours??
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Ok, fine whatever. My problem is ignorance. But, you are right. I'm not going to argue over something senseless with a brick wall. You believe what you want. But please, fix your typos and learn to spell. And quit ytipyng ilke hits.
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Ok, seriously, it's not that bad. You just have to learn to deal with it. Who cares about the typos, as long as you can figure out what she says, then she can do what she wants.
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I care. It's a pain in the butt to read. If you want to be taken well, present yourself well. You look smarter if your typing is fairly decent.
anyways. yeah, having sex with a 6 year old is GROSS!! but to alot of cultures, our showing our faces is disgusting. jsut how we would blanche if some chick was wandering down teh road topless.
marring children is still legal in many parts of hte world. but they veiw it as ok. north african arabs used to get thier fathers (brides father in law) to de-flower these girls on teh eve of the wedding.
they think that our eating cows is worse.
That may be acceptible in other cultures, but it's still wrong. Some things are just plain wrong no matter what.
And about your problem: Guess what? I have just about the same thing. I have to be really careful with my words, or else the letters get messed up. I have to hit backspace a lot. Runs in my family, and it is what makes me so good in all arts.
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It doesn't run in everyones family.
I'll add more to the topic...
If you want to have sex before marraige, by all means, you do that. No one is stopping you. Kids at age 13 are having sex even as I type this.
I don't give a darn about what "other cultures" think may be ok.
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:blink:
*brain explodes.*
*leaves thread*
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I feel your pain Angelene.
This thread officialy sucks.
(then again, MSP made it..so it should be destroyed)