geez floridas on a roll today :blink:
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Yeah. A Girl is dead, and now a woman is off the feeding tube. What's next? A Spring Hurricane?
She shouldn't be forced to continue living in a state of nothingness, it's just torturing her. It's in her best interest, that she die, rather than live like this (if you can call that living).
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Why are you always Anti-Life?
Man I sounded like MSP right there....Dang...
I'm not anti-life. I just have a heart, and realize she's never going to get better, and she'll just go on living forever, just as a vegetable. She deserved to be put out of her misery.
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I agree with you Kevin, I don't see what the point of keeping someone alive if they're going to be a vegetable for the rest of their life. I wouldn't want to be kept alive forever if I'm a vegetable, would you?
Why?! So she can suffer more? She would've died from it eventually, but her life was going to be a ::Dolphin Noise:: on earth. She was going to be a vegetable her whole life, and I can't let her go through that.
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only kevin can avoid the word filters on he11 :biggrin:
Plus you can't live "forever" in a vegistative state. Most likely you might die from complactions from it. I perfer to wait until that happens, rather than remove the feeding tube.
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Wow. So you would want her to have agonizing pain on top of the torment she's already enduring? You're acting like this is some TV show. Its a real woman's life we're talking about here.
Why?! So she can suffer more? She would've died from it eventually, but her life was going to be a ::Dolphin Noise:: on earth. She was going to be a vegetable her whole life, and I can't let her go through that.
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only kevin can avoid the word filters on he11 :biggrin:
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It's my l33t haxx0r skillz.
Kevin while I respect your opinion, he||on earth is not as bad as he|| for eternity. Euthenesia is indeed murder, there is no way for it to be called mercy killing justifiably, because it is so beyond evil. Taking away a feeding tube, death by starvation. Something that most people wouldn't want done to a dog. I sure wouldn't want that done to a dog. And the Governement Officials are doing it to a human. Reagan was right about the Government...Kevin I do respect you opinion tho you did make a good argument but I really really REALLY disagree.
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At least your respecting his opinion... :dry:
Kevin while I respect your opinion, he||on earth is not as bad as he|| for eternity. Euthenesia is indeed murder, there is no way for it to be called mercy killing justifiably, because it is so beyond evil. Taking away a feeding tube, death by starvation. Something that most people wouldn't want done to a dog. I sure wouldn't want that done to a dog. And the Governement Officials are doing it to a human. Reagan was right about the Government...Kevin I do respect you opinion tho you did make a good argument but I really really REALLY disagree.
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How is it beyond evil? Are you to tell me if you were terminally ill, you'd want to be kept alive? She'd suffer her entire life, just sitting there, with no hope of ever recovering? I'm sure even God could find it OK to do that.
It is better to let her live than make an eternal mistake by killing her.
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I thought you had meant hell by eternal mistake.
She had no life. She was a vegetable. She would've had to live like that for many more years. She was in that state for over 7 years. Would you want to be living off of a feeding tube for 7 years? I'm sure she wanted to go. It was more of a political thing after a while.
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Actually she's been in that state for 15 Years.
Euthenesia is murder, not mercy. Why is it all conservatives want her to live and all liberals want her to die? Easy, because liberals are part of the culture of death! Murdering the handicap is the samething the Nazis did. Several family members want this HUMAN BEING kept alive, but that God I wish I could swear on here "husband" of hers wants her dead...I can not believe this. These people who wanna kill her...you've read about these sort of people in science fiction for the past 50 years---never could one ever imagine people could get that messed up...it's sickning! I condem the culture if death that so many have fallen victum too! A handicapped man is not something you can throw out like a broken toaster! What is this world coming too?????!!!!!!!! Could Christ have sent this person to show how crazy the world is becoming? Why doesn't he do something? He knows that liberalism is a mental disorder. Why why doesn't He act? Oh...He's got something planned.
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have you stopped to think that maybe these people dont care about your beliefs?? I dont think they are considering how you feel when they are trying to end the suffering of a loved one. If someone i loved was in pain, and you tried to stop me from releiving it, i would hurt you.
It is comparitivly like you taking a pain killer when yo have a headache.
and you may argue with the morals of it, but these people jsut dont care about your god. you have to accept that.
No one has the right to take the life of another human being! As I said, that is the same thing the Nazis did. That's like saying kill people with downsyndrome because they are handicapped!!! This woman's family members want hwer kept alive! Who cares about that jerk-offhusband! Hwe just wants her money!!
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That is a thing about everyone, we always put us ahead of any other spiecies.
Oh my dog just got cancer! Put it to sleep.
My cat has down syndrome! Put it to sleep.
My friend got cancer! Oh the poor thing, let us treat him in the hospital.
My friend got down syndrome! Let's hook them up to a machine! Keep them in torture for the rest of their life.
Same thing goes with emergancies.
Police, they have a dog in their van, and it is 99 degress out! We'll get there when we can..
Police, they have a child in their van, and it is 99 degress out! We're on our way!!
I'm glad that they put animals out of their misery.
But with a human, no way, we can not let them die! We need them hooked up to a machine, and let them sit their miserable and wait till their life is over!
Oh we can't let a miserable human die. That is inhuman. Dumb idea!
I mean look at how bad off she is!
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39476000/jpg/_39476337_terri_ap300body.jpg)
She hardly looks alive. There is no way to cure her.
Do you want to be in her situation?? Do you want to be suffering in a chair for the rest of your life!!??!
Euthenesia is murder, not mercy. Why is it all conservatives want her to live and all liberals want her to die? Easy, because liberals are part of the culture of death! Murdering the handicap is the samething the Nazis did. Several family members want this HUMAN BEING kept alive, but that God I wish I could swear on here "husband" of hers wants her dead...I can not believe this. These people who wanna kill her...you've read about these sort of people in science fiction for the past 50 years---never could one ever imagine people could get that messed up...it's sickning! I condem the culture if death that so many have fallen victum too! A handicapped man is not something you can throw out like a broken toaster! What is this world coming too?????!!!!!!!! Could Christ have sent this person to show how crazy the world is becoming? Why doesn't he do something? He knows that liberalism is a mental disorder. Why why doesn't He act? Oh...He's got something planned.
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have you stopped to think that maybe these people dont care about your beliefs?? I dont think they are considering how you feel when they are trying to end the suffering of a loved one. If someone i loved was in pain, and you tried to stop me from releiving it, i would hurt you.
It is comparitivly like you taking a pain killer when yo have a headache.
and you may argue with the morals of it, but these people jsut dont care about your god. you have to accept that.
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I care about his god. I just think she shouldent be in pain.
I mean look at how bad off she is!
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39476000/jpg/_39476337_terri_ap300body.jpg)
She hardly looks alive. There is no way to cure her.
Do you want to be in her situation?? Do you want to be suffering in a chair for the rest of your life!!??!
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There is ALWAYS a way to help. I think I would rather take her place just to make her parents happy.
Help her continue a miserable life..
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You're hopeless.
It is just sad she can not be cured with anything. Even if they did find one, she has been in this for 15 years, so it may be hard to help her.
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She hasnt been fed anything through the tube in 5+ days. Thats curable.
Terry Shiavo's sister said she knew her sister and knows she'd never want to be starved to death. That jerk husband needs to go to jail for ever for attempted homicde(hopefully attempted...). He was on this death crusade from the beginning for financial reasons. To he REAL family, I'm very sorry what you are going through and I hope very soon that you get the ruling you want. These murderers can not get away with their crimes. Gov. Bush is considering sending the Natl. Guard to the hospital and making them put that feeding tube back in. Join the crusade to end the culture ofdeath and Euthenesia once and for all!
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Even though I'm a devout Catholic like you (a REAL one, not a wanna-be like MSP is), you're definatlely exaggerating. I mean really, you're treating this situation as if it was like the end of the world.
Terry Shiavo's sister said she knew her sister and knows she'd never want to be starved to death. That jerk husband needs to go to jail for ever for attempted homicde(hopefully attempted...). He was on this death crusade from the beginning for financial reasons. To he REAL family, I'm very sorry what you are going through and I hope very soon that you get the ruling you want. These murderers can not get away with their crimes. Gov. Bush is considering sending the Natl. Guard to the hospital and making them put that feeding tube back in. Join the crusade to end the culture ofdeath and Euthenesia once and for all!
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Even though I'm a devout Catholic like you (a REAL one, not a wanna-be like MSP is), you're definatlely exaggerating. I mean really, you're treating this situation as if it was like the end of the world.
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Dont you see his mind works like that 24/7...
Something needs to be done about the Supreme Court / Government
Terry Shiavo's sister said she knew her sister and knows she'd never want to be starved to death. That jerk husband needs to go to jail for ever for attempted homicde(hopefully attempted...). He was on this death crusade from the beginning for financial reasons. To he REAL family, I'm very sorry what you are going through and I hope very soon that you get the ruling you want. These murderers can not get away with their crimes. Gov. Bush is considering sending the Natl. Guard to the hospital and making them put that feeding tube back in. Join the crusade to end the culture ofdeath and Euthenesia once and for all!
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Even though I'm a devout Catholic like you (a REAL one, not a wanna-be like MSP is), you're definatlely exaggerating. I mean really, you're treating this situation as if it was like the end of the world.
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Dont you see his mind works like that 24/7...
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I'm afraid to even answer that one.
But yeah, let's just hope the Supreme Court and the Government will decide to keep her alive.
Maybe you can take solace in the thought that god has probably taken her soul already. it certainly isnt in her body. So in effect its ok, she has already gone.
and to the thing of "they can fix her if they want to" a heart attack permenatly scars a patch of tissue, heart tissue does not regenerate, it only scars, making that peiece useless. there isnothing you can do to fix it.
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I thought it was brain damage...not heart attack
He'll probably say "I can't find anything that'll help poor ol' Terry".
EDIT: http://www.mix999.com/content/cp_article.a...ws/w032449A.htm (http://www.mix999.com/content/cp_article.asp?id=/global_feeds/CanadianPress/WorldNews/w032449A.htm)
Oh no, this isn't turning out to be good, this may be the end of life for poor ol' Terry.
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I now loathe the government...anything about the government...
If it has to be done. put it in her parents care and make it quick and simple. not long and drawn out by starvation. it is a horrible way to go. all your insides dry up and blah, i cant even think about it without feeling sick. i agree with the idea. jsut not with this particular instance. and not in this way.
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Well if you put it in her parents care it wouldnt matter because the dad wants to kill her and the mom wants her to be treated. So there is a no win situation because most likely the dad will get the winning vote.
Terry Shiavo's sister said she knew her sister and knows she'd never want to be starved to death. That jerk husband needs to go to jail for ever for attempted homicde(hopefully attempted...). He was on this death crusade from the beginning for financial reasons. To he REAL family, I'm very sorry what you are going through and I hope very soon that you get the ruling you want. These murderers can not get away with their crimes. Gov. Bush is considering sending the Natl. Guard to the hospital and making them put that feeding tube back in. Join the crusade to end the culture ofdeath and Euthenesia once and for all!
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Whoa down, before any of this ever happened to Schiavo, she said that she did not want to be kept on life support if this happened to her.
Gov. Bush is considering sending the Natl. Guard to the hospital and making them put that feeding tube back in.
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It's not a hospital, it's a hospice. As in, the place she was sent to die.
Well she probably won't survive too much longer. The left-wingers have won the battle, but the war has just begun. I'm ashamed to live in a country where they'd allow them to do something like that! And as for abortion, they say when you have an abortion, the dead baby floats around you. And when you die a bunch of dead babies float around you. Imagin seeing this grown up man or woman saying hello I'm the child you massacred. I could have been somebody. Why didn't you give me a chance mommy? Abortion causes mental and emotional anguish to 90% of those who get them eventually. A mother killing her child. So sick. When a man is on death row, it is always their mothersm if no one else, who cry for them and pray for them. A mother killing her own child--evil beyong belief. Horrible unheard of suffering. If ANY pro-"choice" person actually saw an abortion, they'd barf and turn pro-life. But then again, if they believe in it already... and Euthenesia is just as evil. Man has value...I can't understand how completly twisted this whole thing is!
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um. yes, an abortion may be traumatic. but what would be more traumatic for the child?? being raised in an orphanage?? if all the people who had abortions were to dump their babies, there would not be enoguh care for them. and babies who are raised with out touch and love dont grow. dont read, write, speak. and somtimes die.
failing that, live wiht a mother who doesnt want them, will probably grow to resent them and raise them in a house where there is no love or support.
i am pro choice, ive seen abortions. i didnt barf. i cried with my firnds, helped them get their lives back on track and sucked it up.
and i say again, if euthenasia is evil to you, you are now morally obliged to forgo any medical care. including painkillers, cough medicine, even sticky plasters.
Your stance is to let people suffer?? If you ever walk into a docters again you are destined to ::Dolphin Noise:: for going against your supposedly christian beleifs.\
Do you even read other peoples posts?? do you not understnad that the world does not take into consideration your feelings?? it does what is BEST for the people they love.
There is no proof she said that. I do not believe she did!!! There has been talk of potential homicide on the husband's part. Terri's sister is saying that it's not true. And I'll bet the sister of Terri knows her better than some murderous husband!
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During a 2000 trial, the Schnidlers said they wouldn't remove Terri's feeding tube even if she had asked them to do so.
Going against my Christian beliefs? As massive and vile a sin Euthenesia is, I'm not sure what I'm going against. Please tell me. Terri Shciavo is a strong Roman Catholic and a pro-life activist like me.
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And that's suppose to mean something? Get over it, dude. No one wants to agree with you.
Fine, support the culture of death. there's nothing more I can do. The Good Lord knows I've done my part.
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Yes. And He knows you've done a bad job at it.
Fine, support the culture of death. there's nothing more I can do. The Good Lord knows I've done my part.
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Dude, don't act like you've always supported the pro-life side. You support war and capital punishment.
Going against my Christian beliefs? As massive and vile a sin Euthenesia is, I'm not sure what I'm going against. Please tell me. Terri Shciavo is a strong Roman Catholic and a pro-life activist like me.
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your saying that to relive suffering is a sin.
that your merciful, loving god WANTS this poor woman to agonise.
its people like you that make it hard for people like ssj4gogita4 to support their belifs.
you are waht makes people against religion.
there is a huge difference, both ssj4gogita4 and you have (generaly speaking) similar beliefs, but people respect his opinion, not yours.
Going against my Christian beliefs? As massive and vile a sin Euthenesia is, I'm not sure what I'm going against. Please tell me. Terri Shciavo is a strong Roman Catholic and a pro-life activist like me.
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your saying that to relive suffering is a sin.
that your merciful, loving god WANTS this poor woman to agonise.
its people like you that make it hard for people like ssj4gogita4 to support their belifs.
you are waht makes people against religion.
there is a huge difference, both ssj4gogita4 and you have (generaly speaking) similar beliefs, but people respect his opinion, not yours.
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Im not meaning to defend MSP but I doubt he is the reason why people are against religon. I was raised to believe in god, hung out with the neighbour's children who were right into Christianity (sweetest family might I add) and still I want nothing to do with it. I strayed from the path laid out before me even with guidance of wonderful people. It just didnt feel right to me. Something doesnt add up in my head. Sure some people may avoid religon to avoid people involved in it, but I can only speak for myself and say thats not why Im not apart of it. It has nothing to do with people who have opinions much the same as MSP. Its 2:10 AM, I have to go back to school in a few hours, and as usual Im rambiling. So yeah ignore me.
So now I get accused of racism for no reason. Why?! Well, I am Roman Catholic, and as I said before, Her teachings on Euthenesia is as follows:
Oftendisguised by the name "mercy killing", euthenesia is a form of homicide. No one has the right to take his own life (suicide) and no one has the right to take the life of an innocent person. In Euthenesia, the ill or elderly are killed out of a misplaced retarted sence of compassion, but true compassion can never include doing something so intrinsically evil to another human being.
The Nazis did the same thing to the weak. There is no proof that she wants to die, just from that Frankenstein husband of hers. Well, she's going to die. You liberals always get what you want.
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The Nazis did something completly different. They were rasicst, and werent doing it to benifit the Jews.
um. yes, an abortion may be traumatic. but what would be more traumatic for the child?? being raised in an orphanage?? if all the people who had abortions were to dump their babies, there would not be enoguh care for them. and babies who are raised with out touch and love dont grow. dont read, write, speak. and somtimes die.
failing that, live wiht a mother who doesnt want them, will probably grow to resent them and raise them in a house where there is no love or support.
i am pro choice, ive seen abortions. i didnt barf. i cried with my firnds, helped them get their lives back on track and sucked it up.
and i say again, if euthenasia is evil to you, you are now morally obliged to forgo any medical care. including painkillers, cough medicine, even sticky plasters.
Your stance is to let people suffer?? If you ever walk into a docters again you are destined to ::Dolphin Noise:: for going against your supposedly christian beleifs.\
Do you even read other peoples posts?? do you not understnad that the world does not take into consideration your feelings?? it does what is BEST for the people they love.
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I realize you have seen abortions, but you are aware that a nice amount of people who have abortions are upper class women who can afford to take care of their child? Poor women in the ghetto generally can't afford abortions. If you don't want a kid, don't have sex. I realize people have sex for "other" reasons than procreation, but a kid is the end result and the main reason sex is here. Think before you act, and that goes to everyone.
As far the whole mercy-killing euthanasia bull::Dolphin Noise::, that's exactly what it is. No man has the right to take another man's life. Sure, we have war, but war is something that is unavoidable at times. If someone attacks you, you should fight back, else you will die. War is not nearly that same as abortion or euthanasia.
For once, I am standing behind MSP. He's right in this case. Euthanasia is nothing short of murder. What next? Soon the government will decide 100% on who's allowed to live? Will they want to kill children with Down's Syndrom out of "mercy" as well? What about mentally retarded and cerebral palsy children? Why not just murder babies born with AIDS since they will die anyway? The line has to be drawn somewhere.
Dont be melodramatic. I have said, that in THIS instance, i dont agree with it. because there is somthing obviously unhinged with the husband.
The euthanasia comment was not directed at you, just the abortion part.
and just because somone is rich, it DOES NOT mean they would make a good parent. what does the economic state a person may be in have to do with the desire, or ability to raise children. dont be a snob, your pretty much saying htat if your rich, your smarter and more compassionate than enyone poorer than you. My boyfrinds mum is poor. she was VERY poor when she had him. and shes a fantastic mum. My exs mum was a millionare (litteretly) and she was a crapp parent. i do understand your point of poor people not being able to afford them. where i live they are free if you are under 22. and you have to go through 2 doctors and be assessed in able to get one. Its not like you can just rock up, drop your pants and they'll do it in the foyer.
No, just because someone is rich doesn't mean they will be a good parent, but they can afford to keep kids up, so they have no excuse to abort them. I never at any point said rich people are "smarter and more compassionate than enyone poorer than you" because that's not true. I come from a family of four (actually five, but he's gone away in the Marines) children and we are far from rich. I don't call wondering if you can keep your house, or whether or not you can have needed clothing items because the business area is screwing your dad over rich. My parents have been very good to me. Just because you are poor doesn't mean your white trash. :)
Free under 22? I don't like the sound of that. Can a 15 year old girl get one without her parents consent?
And what an amazing thing to say. its very sterotypically american, just what the rest of the world expects. "war is inevitable" like afganistan?? like hte twin towers thing, they attacked you first?? no they didnt, people dont do things like that on a whim, they do it out of shere desperation because greedy countries are sucking htem dry and leaving them to rot.
Yes, I'm afraid they do do those things "on a whim". That is why they are called terrorists.
And with euthenasia. One day i think it is going to come to the point where we will have to enforce mandatory abortions, and kill off weak/ sick/ crippled/ handicapped children. its sick, i know, and dont think i would support it, or like it. but the world is NOT ABLE to sustain us.
it'll be our animal instincts telling us to lower the population, the same way rats will kill each other if there are too many in one cage.
That may happen, but it won't be because we have to. It will be because we are sick. That's a violation of plain ole human rights.
Killing one woman, to end her suffering, is nothing compared to slaughtering thousands of innocent families with bombs and guns. If you think war is fair enough, your priorities are screwed up. no wonder society is going down the crapper.
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Yes, yes it is. We murdered her. War is "fair enough". And killing thousands of innocent families? Not really. In many places, if not all, they leave alone anyone not trying to kill them. They go through houses in search of terrorists, but they don't hurt anyone that doesn't try to stop them.
Going against my Christian beliefs? As massive and vile a sin Euthenesia is, I'm not sure what I'm going against. Please tell me. Terri Shciavo is a strong Roman Catholic and a pro-life activist like me.
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So if she was a black, liberal, atheist pro-choice activist, you'd be OK with letting her die?
Dont be melodramatic. I have said, that in THIS instance, i dont agree with it. because there is somthing obviously unhinged with the husband.
The euthanasia comment was not directed at you, just the abortion part.
and just because somone is rich, it DOES NOT mean they would make a good parent. what does the economic state a person may be in have to do with the desire, or ability to raise children. dont be a snob, your pretty much saying htat if your rich, your smarter and more compassionate than enyone poorer than you. My boyfrinds mum is poor. she was VERY poor when she had him. and shes a fantastic mum. My exs mum was a millionare (litteretly) and she was a crapp parent. i do understand your point of poor people not being able to afford them. where i live they are free if you are under 22. and you have to go through 2 doctors and be assessed in able to get one. Its not like you can just rock up, drop your pants and they'll do it in the foyer.
No, just because someone is rich doesn't mean they will be a good parent, but they can afford to keep kids up, so they have no excuse to abort them. I never at any point said rich people are "smarter and more compassionate than enyone poorer than you" because that's not true. I come from a family of four (actually five, but he's gone away in the Marines) children and we are far from rich. I don't call wondering if you can keep your house, or whether or not you can have needed clothing items because the business area is screwing your dad over rich. My parents have been very good to me. Just because you are poor doesn't mean your white trash. :)
Free under 22? I don't like the sound of that. Can a 15 year old girl get one without her parents consent?
And what an amazing thing to say. its very sterotypically american, just what the rest of the world expects. "war is inevitable" like afganistan?? like hte twin towers thing, they attacked you first?? no they didnt, people dont do things like that on a whim, they do it out of shere desperation because greedy countries are sucking htem dry and leaving them to rot.
Yes, I'm afraid they do do those things "on a whim". That is why they are called terrorists.
And with euthenasia. One day i think it is going to come to the point where we will have to enforce mandatory abortions, and kill off weak/ sick/ crippled/ handicapped children. its sick, i know, and dont think i would support it, or like it. but the world is NOT ABLE to sustain us.
it'll be our animal instincts telling us to lower the population, the same way rats will kill each other if there are too many in one cage.
That may happen, but it won't be because we have to. It will be because we are sick. That's a violation of plain ole human rights.
Killing one woman, to end her suffering, is nothing compared to slaughtering thousands of innocent families with bombs and guns. If you think war is fair enough, your priorities are screwed up. no wonder society is going down the crapper.
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Yes, yes it is. We murdered her. War is "fair enough". And killing thousands of innocent families? Not really. In many places, if not all, they leave alone anyone not trying to kill them. They go through houses in search of terrorists, but they don't hurt anyone that doesn't try to stop them.
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what do you mean "they have no excuse"?? thay might not feel able to raise children,a nd not be willing to put their offspings life into anothers hands. that is excuse enough. im not sayin that just cos your ppor your white trash. im saying htat jsut cos your rich it doesnt make you capable. michael jackson was rich untill a little while ago.
umm, yeah, i htink you can get them under 15. im not sure. eveyone i know was over.
the twin towers were not on a whim. do you know what it means?? (seriously) it means with no forward planning.
The crashes were very cautiosly planned, because they were sick of your economic system growing more and more wealthy at their expense. you do know htat you are in the worlds top wealthiest 8%.
question your propaganda. the rest of the world gets both sides of the story.
there have been between 8-15 thousand civialina deaths caused my americans in iraq, and tens of thousands more in afganistan.
they hurt plenty of people that dont try to stop them. bombs arent selective. neither are bullets. they are trained to shoot hten ask questions.
you have been amazingly blinded, and you are very, very ignorant. im not saying its your fault, you are kept from the information.
but its realy sad that you think its ok to murder. in the name of oil.
you put your car ahead of human life. whos sick now?? :sad:
and i know your going to say im wrong, but our media isnt and censored as yours. we get facts, not crazy fundimentalist propaganda.