Useful, you LEARN at school.
People who don't want to learn at school should never come, since they ruin it for everyone else.
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Agreed. I do complain about the goverment making us go, but I do love learning. I just dont agree with being forced to go. Id go if I didnt have to.
It depends on where you go. I was homeschooled (am finished with high school just a week ago) because none of the schools around here are even halfway decent. I loved school because I like learning.
The real question should be: Should the government make children go to school? The answer is no. Once a child has reached 8th grade or so, and they really, really don't want to be there, excuse them. Forget about them. A lot of learning is disrupted by kids who DON'T want to be in school. At sixteen let them get a license and work, just like a regular kid. Don't make them stay in school if they are determined not to learn. Making them stay in school is a waste of their time and the teachers' time.
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Agreed. I cant count how many times I had to block out loud people who would never shut-up and do their work. America is one of the laziest countries when it comes to its people wanting an education. I want to better myself with a higher education. The kids around here who never graduate will be working construction jubs the rest of their life, which really takes no education....
School = BS
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I thought those were your initials. :happy:
Useful. Yep, let's all not go to school. And while we're at it, let's flush society down the drain. Both will do.
School = BS
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Useful. Yep, let's all not go to school. And while we're at it, let's flush society down the drain. Both will do.
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Yes, but why should we force people who aren't going to learn, disrupt class, and make everything worse for other people to go?
Dude, without school, we would have no friends.
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I don't go to school and I have friends.
Well, you probably made friends when you were IN school.
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No, I haven't been in public school since 1st grade... Most of friends are either at dance or online.
It is true you make friends in school...but that is not really why you are there...you're there to LEARN STUFF.
I have found that many people who are older than me on this website have not payed attention to certain classes at school and they don't know the basics of everything I know...and it makes life difficult to debate with them.
Question is, who's fault is it that these people don't learn?
The student, the teacher or the classmates?
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the system
It is true you make friends in school...but that is not really why you are there...you're there to LEARN STUFF.
I have found that many people who are older than me on this website have not payed attention to certain classes at school and they don't know the basics of everything I know...and it makes life difficult to debate with them.
Question is, who's fault is it that these people don't learn?
The student, the teacher or the classmates?
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the system
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the teachers...
they dont make it interesting enough. They need to liven it up.
Have AWESOME movies to show that goes along with the lesson. A movie that everyone enjoys, not some chick flick. Also, have people choose their own projects. But they have to do one, and they have to be done really well and not some written paper. Have some free days along the school year so the kids dont think you are boring all the time. Have 1-2 field trips to do something. Have a trip for lunch to get something to eat. Have the students write down some suggestions on what they should be able to do but give them boundaries before they start.
Yes, it is indeed part of the systems fault. They need to choose better teachers. But the teachers are mainly the responsibility. They give homework almost every day like to read something or to finish a paper.
It is true you make friends in school...but that is not really why you are there...you're there to LEARN STUFF.
I have found that many people who are older than me on this website have not payed attention to certain classes at school and they don't know the basics of everything I know...and it makes life difficult to debate with them.
Question is, who's fault is it that these people don't learn?
The student, the teacher or the classmates?
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the system
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the teachers...
they dont make it interesting enough. They need to liven it up.
Have AWESOME movies to show that goes along with the lesson. A movie that everyone enjoys, not some chick flick. Also, have people choose their own projects. But they have to do one, and they have to be done really well and not some written paper. Have some free days along the school year so the kids dont think you are boring all the time. Have 1-2 field trips to do something. Have a trip for lunch to get something to eat. Have the students write down some suggestions on what they should be able to do but give them boundaries before they start.
Yes, it is indeed part of the systems fault. They need to choose better teachers. But the teachers are mainly the responsibility. They give homework almost every day like to read something or to finish a paper.
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true, but hten how can you get enthusiastic about teaching a bunch of surly teenagers??
pretty much, i think that kids should get a years break when they get to that really grumpy stage, go and get a job for a year, but still be enroled and just finish school a year later. or treat high school more like uni, it sucks to be that age adn still treated like a kid. you get really frustrated and blow up then they treat you like a kid even more!!!
its like you have no voice at that age, and it sucks, and it works its way into every part of your life.
the system
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the teachers...
they dont make it interesting enough. They need to liven it up.
Have AWESOME movies to show that goes along with the lesson. A movie that everyone enjoys, not some chick flick. Also, have people choose their own projects. But they have to do one, and they have to be done really well and not some written paper. Have some free days along the school year so the kids dont think you are boring all the time. Have 1-2 field trips to do something. Have a trip for lunch to get something to eat. Have the students write down some suggestions on what they should be able to do but give them boundaries before they start.
Yes, it is indeed part of the systems fault. They need to choose better teachers. But the teachers are mainly the responsibility. They give homework almost every day like to read something or to finish a paper.
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true, but hten how can you get enthusiastic about teaching a bunch of surly teenagers??
pretty much, i think that kids should get a years break when they get to that really grumpy stage, go and get a job for a year, but still be enroled and just finish school a year later. or treat high school more like uni, it sucks to be that age adn still treated like a kid. you get really frustrated and blow up then they treat you like a kid even more!!!
its like you have no voice at that age, and it sucks, and it works its way into every part of your life.
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They can have a job while they are in school. All high-schoolers get grumpy along the year so the teachers need to deal with that. 1 more year is too long. 4 years is long enough in the same school. Most teachers dont care what their students do as long as it isnt against the law or a major rule breaker at school.
I have repetetiv mental breakdowns at school....one time I got so fustrated I flipped the table over and shouted at the top of my lungs. O_O
I fainted afterwards cause my blood pressure was so high.
The breakdown was caused by the students in the classroom disturbing me when I was working.
That, and a school bully kept hitting me in the back with a pencil.
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i HATE that!!! stupid pencil flicking and things!!! sometimes i used to wish that they wouold jsut beat me up and get it over with, cos i wasnt gonna start fights, but i just wanted somthing to happen to end the stupidity!!!!
i used to panic attack and flip out, i got migranes alot as well. stupid school :angry:
It is true you make friends in school...but that is not really why you are there...you're there to LEARN STUFF.
I have found that many people who are older than me on this website have not payed attention to certain classes at school and they don't know the basics of everything I know...and it makes life difficult to debate with them.
Question is, who's fault is it that these people don't learn?
The student, the teacher or the classmates?
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the system
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the teachers...
they dont make it interesting enough. They need to liven it up.
Have AWESOME movies to show that goes along with the lesson. A movie that everyone enjoys, not some chick flick. Also, have people choose their own projects. But they have to do one, and they have to be done really well and not some written paper. Have some free days along the school year so the kids dont think you are boring all the time. Have 1-2 field trips to do something. Have a trip for lunch to get something to eat. Have the students write down some suggestions on what they should be able to do but give them boundaries before they start.
Yes, it is indeed part of the systems fault. They need to choose better teachers. But the teachers are mainly the responsibility. They give homework almost every day like to read something or to finish a paper.
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These are all great ideas and I wish my school would follow them. But I will never get a feild trip at my school, because they cut them from the budget. That's another reason why Americas schools suck so bad. You can't teach in a way that's any good without money, and unforitetly most schools don't have the money. If schools had more money, test scores would go up. But under the No Child Left Behind Act, only schools that do good on test scores get money. I spent 6 years at a poor urban school, with outdated text books, no A/C, 5-15 year old computers, and a building unfit for learning.
School is very useful, I just believe that they need to re-work the entire school system. If a kid has a special talent for a specific subject(We'll say Language Arts for the example), then they shouldn't be expected to do as well with some form of math(which the person happens to not be good at). Instead of focusing on a certain talent that the person could do amazing things with, they force the child to be "good" at everything. That's why I think magnet schools are very underrated.
Oh, and I'm not speaking from personal experience.
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very cool idea. but i was in a school like htat, and too many people abuse it.
if htere wernt so many stupid boppa goths slcking off and taking advantage of it, it would be perfect *sigh*
These are all great ideas and I wish my school would follow them. But I will never get a feild trip at my school, because they cut them from the budget. That's another reason why Americas schools suck so bad. You can't teach in a way that's any good without money, and unforitetly most schools don't have the money. If schools had more money, test scores would go up. But under the No Child Left Behind Act, only schools that do good on test scores get money. I spent 6 years at a poor urban school, with outdated text books, no A/C, 5-15 year old computers, and a building unfit for learning.
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Well, I think there should be at least 2 field trips to some historic building maybe once a year. Test scores are up over here in Texas even if we didnt have the money. Our schoolers are very bright. We have like...10 year old books in history and we still use them. Our schools have recently gotten dell's...which suck...but its better than what we used to have. My mom's school has Mac 8's...pathetic computers they are.
very cool idea. but i was in a school like htat, and too many people abuse it.
if htere wernt so many stupid boppa goths slcking off and taking advantage of it, it would be perfect *sigh*
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Whoah now, Goths aren't the only ones to goof off in school. Just because someone acts dumb in school doesn't mean they are Goth. Please don't generalize us like that, it's not correct at all.
Sean, that is an amazing idea. I always felt like crap because I do poorly in math and science, yet my language arts are amazing. I always felt bad for not being able to be amazing at everything.
Field trips are a good idea too.
very cool idea. but i was in a school like htat, and too many people abuse it.
if htere wernt so many stupid boppa goths slcking off and taking advantage of it, it would be perfect *sigh*
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Whoah now, Goths aren't the only ones to goof off in school. Just because someone acts dumb in school doesn't mean they are Goth. Please don't generalize us like that, it's not correct at all.
Sean, that is an amazing idea. I always felt like crap because I do poorly in math and science, yet my language arts are amazing. I always felt bad for not being able to be amazing at everything.
Field trips are a good idea too.
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speaking from experiance
there is a difference, if you count yourself as a tennybopper goth who just wears black cloths and too much eye make up, then thats not really my fault.
i hung outwith the proper goths, who were cool, it was jsut htese stupid little cows thinking they wer cool by bunking ans going for ciggies al the time.
thats what happened with me, i went ot one of those schools, so im sorta in a better position to talk about it.
that is just what happened at my school, not necisarily what will happen at every school. im getting sick of having to type this stuff on every post jsut cos people take things too seriously. so STOP IT, im not out ot get everyone!!!
(hey, i though you were christian, anyways?? or do you just have the same sorta moral beleifs?? i never knew you were into pagan/ wicca??)
very cool idea. but i was in a school like htat, and too many people abuse it.
if htere wernt so many stupid boppa goths slcking off and taking advantage of it, it would be perfect *sigh*
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Whoah now, Goths aren't the only ones to goof off in school. Just because someone acts dumb in school doesn't mean they are Goth. Please don't generalize us like that, it's not correct at all.
Sean, that is an amazing idea. I always felt like crap because I do poorly in math and science, yet my language arts are amazing. I always felt bad for not being able to be amazing at everything.
Field trips are a good idea too.
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Heh. Heh. Funny stuff that "dont generalize us like that" quote. I laughed at that one. I just cant picture you goth even though you wear all the dresses. You have pink for goodness sake! Thats not goth at all :P
speaking from experiance
there is a difference, if you count yourself as a tennybopper goth who just wears black cloths and too much eye make up, then thats not really my fault.
i hung outwith the proper goths, who were cool, it was jsut htese stupid little cows thinking they wer cool by bunking ans going for ciggies al the time.
thats what happened with me, i went ot one of those schools, so im sorta in a better position to talk about it.
that is just what happened at my school, not necisarily what will happen at every school. im getting sick of having to type this stuff on every post jsut cos people take things too seriously. so STOP IT, im not out ot get everyone!!!
(hey, i though you were christian, anyways?? or do you just have the same sorta moral beleifs?? i never knew you were into pagan/ wicca??)
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No one's accusing you of being out to get anyone. Just don't talk about Goths like that, especially since you just said you knew some cool ones.
Goth is a mindset, a lifestyle, there is no religion related to it, but many Goths tend to accept Paganism/Wicca. You can be Goth and not be Pagan/Wiccan, just like you can be Pagan/Wiccan without being Goth. I am a Christian.
Heh. Heh. Funny stuff that "dont generalize us like that" quote. I laughed at that one. I just cant picture you goth even though you wear all the dresses. You have pink for goodness sake! Thats not goth at all :P
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Hehehe, funny isn't it? Like I said, it's a mindset and a lifestyle. There are even some Goths that wear mostly white or burgundy. :biggrin:
It is true you make friends in school...but that is not really why you are there...you're there to LEARN STUFF.
I have found that many people who are older than me on this website have not payed attention to certain classes at school and they don't know the basics of everything I know...and it makes life difficult to debate with them.
Question is, who's fault is it that these people don't learn?
The student, the teacher or the classmates?
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the system
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the teachers...
they dont make it interesting enough. They need to liven it up.
Have AWESOME movies to show that goes along with the lesson. A movie that everyone enjoys, not some chick flick. Also, have people choose their own projects. But they have to do one, and they have to be done really well and not some written paper. Have some free days along the school year so the kids dont think you are boring all the time. Have 1-2 field trips to do something. Have a trip for lunch to get something to eat. Have the students write down some suggestions on what they should be able to do but give them boundaries before they start.
Yes, it is indeed part of the systems fault. They need to choose better teachers. But the teachers are mainly the responsibility. They give homework almost every day like to read something or to finish a paper.
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It's not the teachers fault you can't watch major movies, a lot of schools have regulations on that.
Most students don't do their work as it is, so they should reward them for it?!
Field trips cost money, something schools don't have.
The schools don't have enough teachers as it is, so they're going to take almost anyone.
It's not the teachers fault you can't watch major movies, a lot of schools have regulations on that.
Most students don't do their work as it is, so they should reward them for it?!
Field trips cost money, something schools don't have.
The schools don't have enough teachers as it is, so they're going to take almost anyone.
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yeah, pretty much comes down to the fact that to have an awesome school, you need more money, and more compassionate people in power. people get power by being uncompassionate, so teh people under htem get less money.
its so weird
It's not the teachers fault you can't watch major movies, a lot of schools have regulations on that.
Most students don't do their work as it is, so they should reward them for it?!
Field trips cost money, something schools don't have.
The schools don't have enough teachers as it is, so they're going to take almost anyone.
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I'm not talking about Rated R movies...I'm talking about PG-13 or PG. PG-13 isnt even bad.
Thats why the teacher gives out something like...the people who do at least 90% of their work...get an extra 100 as a test grade. Or something like that.
Field Trips dont even have to be far. I mean...you can just do a trip to the ice cream factory and see how they make it. You can have a donation from each parent or something from other random people to donate to get some stuff from field trips.
It's not the teachers fault you can't watch major movies, a lot of schools have regulations on that.
Most students don't do their work as it is, so they should reward them for it?!
Field trips cost money, something schools don't have.
The schools don't have enough teachers as it is, so they're going to take almost anyone.
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I'm not talking about Rated R movies...I'm talking about PG-13 or PG. PG-13 isnt even bad.
Thats why the teacher gives out something like...the people who do at least 90% of their work...get an extra 100 as a test grade. Or something like that.
Field Trips dont even have to be far. I mean...you can just do a trip to the ice cream factory and see how they make it. You can have a donation from each parent or something from other random people to donate to get some stuff from field trips.
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It doesn't matter, there are a lot of schools who won't let any Hollywood release movies unless it directly deals with the topic the students are learning about, and even then it's a giant process.
Students have to learn how to do well on regular assignments and tests. No one will give them an easy way out when they're on their own.
You have to factor in the bus costs, pulling students out of class, permission from parents, and a lot of other things. It's not as simple as you seem to think.
ummm, ok. im ending htis here. to be goth is to pretty much not be christian.
you cant go "im depressed, and wear long skirts, im goth"
i said boppa goth, i know cool goths, not psydo goths who have no idea what htey are on about..........................................
to be honest, ive never met anyone since ive turned 14 who has said "i am a goth"
ive never met anyone who was so willing to generalise, or compartmentalise themselves like that.
example. evernesance are not goth, they are just buying into hte image.
im not gonna say anything more on this. its jsut a bit too creepy.
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I give you part, and only part, of that. I don't really 100% label myself Goth, it's more of other people doing that for me, and I don't mind it. Things like that have never bothered me, and if I fit into a label, oh well. Still, there is a lot more to it than you realize. Having a fascination for dark things I have studied the Gothic culture intensely, and when I first started doing so I realized that I really did fit in. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. :happy:
Anyway, back on topic, I think schools could be improved greatly by hiring people who actually have a brain. No offense to anyone, but there are a lot of dummies in the education field. I know there are smart people out there, so forget the piece of paper and hire smart people. When my brother's 10th grade English teacher doesn't know what an adverb is there is something wrong.
Also, I think kids shouldn't get treated as if they are about to do something wrong. Not all kids are going to shoot up a school or do drugs. Don't treat kids like they are prisoners, like I know some schools do. Don't call the cops when a kid brings a GI-Joe gun to school or throws a tantrum.
And no more boring films. Bring in real ones. :tongue:
ummm, ok. im ending htis here. to be goth is to pretty much not be christian.
you cant go "im depressed, and wear long skirts, im goth"
i said boppa goth, i know cool goths, not psydo goths who have no idea what htey are on about..........................................
to be honest, ive never met anyone since ive turned 14 who has said "i am a goth"
ive never met anyone who was so willing to generalise, or compartmentalise themselves like that.
example. evernesance are not goth, they are just buying into hte image.
im not gonna say anything more on this. its jsut a bit too creepy.
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I give you part, and only part, of that. I don't really 100% label myself Goth, it's more of other people doing that for me, and I don't mind it. Things like that have never bothered me, and if I fit into a label, oh well. Still, there is a lot more to it than you realize. Having a fascination for dark things I have studied the Gothic culture intensely, and when I first started doing so I realized that I really did fit in. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. :happy:
Anyway, back on topic, I think schools could be improved greatly by hiring people who actually have a brain. No offense to anyone, but there are a lot of dummies in the education field. I know there are smart people out there, so forget the piece of paper and hire smart people. When my brother's 10th grade English teacher doesn't know what an adverb is there is something wrong.
Also, I think kids shouldn't get treated as if they are about to do something wrong. Not all kids are going to shoot up a school or do drugs. Don't treat kids like they are prisoners, like I know some schools do. Don't call the cops when a kid brings a GI-Joe gun to school or throws a tantrum.
And no more boring films. Bring in real ones. :tongue:
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yep, teachers who know less than the students are abound.
my friend was offered a teaching job in his first year of electronic engerneering cos he fixed hte teachers display projects :D
also, alot of teachers hate children. there should be screening for htese types of things. alot of older teachers asre jsut teaching cos it was that or nursing, not cos htey actually care.
one of my english teachers gave me an A for a story I wrote...and another who marked the exact same story gave me a D....she doesn't like me.
And I haven't done anything wrong...maybe it's just my physical appearance that gets to her...or my optimem silence... O_O
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Whats your appearance like?
OR
Have the teacher meet face to face and discuss why they gave tthat grade they gave you.
i'll have to submit an image of myself sometime...but right now I can't be bothered.
I can't be bothered to talk to her either, no point really....her grade doesn;t go towards my GCSE's...the other GOOD teachers does. XD
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do it!! im so sick of guessing what the girl behind all these crazy/amazing posts looks like!!! :biggrin:
petty teachers suck. its abusing a position of power. its very, very uncool.
School is useful. You learn there and make friends there. Some stuff in school is a little BS. History. I don't see when I'll be using history...
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History is useful, to a point but do we really need to know about some guy who want to the great plains, and started a farm? No it's pretty much useless.
School is useful to those who take it seriously...those who mess around do not deserve to go to school if all they think its for is playing games.
Intelligence is lacking in society, but school is that little spark trying to keep us smart...and not dumb idiots we are becomming.
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You gotta mess around in school enough to where you can still take it seriously. You gotta have fun. Seriousness all the time is boring.
yes, but ever thought of OTHER students around you? the ones who WANT to work?
Think about others before thinking about yourself when sat in the classroom.
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They do the same thing. They have fun sometimes. It's not all work.
thats why i always sit on the front row...all the stupid 'non-working' students sit on the back row...i get all my work done..they do nothing.
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xD Nerd :P *runs* Jk
But seriously, my point is that you have fun while you still get good grades. Right? I mean, if you dont have fun in school...you shouldnt be there in the first place.
thats why i always sit on the front row...all the stupid 'non-working' students sit on the back row...i get all my work done..they do nothing.
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xD Nerd :P *runs* Jk
But seriously, my point is that you have fun while you still get good grades. Right? I mean, if you dont have fun in school...you shouldnt be there in the first place.
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I stay bored but learn in school.
I have fun and stuff and home.
Simply put, why can't EVERY student do that instead of having fun 'in school' and 'out of school'!?
They are slackers who (when older) will become hobo's and feed on week old newspapers.
i cant believe im saying this but school is useful
for growing up in life
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Well, duh. You need it for a job.
Actually, some jobs don't require qualifications....but then again they are low-paid dung jobs.
Lol.
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Exactly. I should've been more specific <_<