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Title: U.S. death toll in Iraq reaches 2,000
Post by: IZ on October 26, 2005, 08:18:39 am: BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The U.S. military death toll in Iraq reached 2,000 Tuesday with the reports of three new deaths, and President Bush prepared the nation for more casualties, saying the "defense of freedom is worth our sacrifice."

"We've lost some of our nation's finest men and women in the war on terror," Bush said in a speech to military spouses at Bolling Air Force Base in Washington.

"Each loss of life is heartbreaking. And the best way to honor the sacrifice of our fallen troops is to complete the mission and lay the foundation of peace by spreading freedom."

The U.S. military milestone came as Iraqi election officials announced that the country's draft constitution won approval in a nationwide referendum.

The passage, regarded as a key step toward the establishment of Iraqi democracy, paves the way for an election for a new parliament in December.

The U.S. military Tuesday said Staff Sgt. George T. Alexander Jr., 34, of Killeen, Texas, died Saturday from injuries sustained earlier in the week when a roadside bomb detonated near his Bradley fighting vehicle in Samarra, raising the U.S. death toll in the two-and-a-half-year-old war to 2,000.

The military reported earlier in the day that two Marines were killed by a roadside bomb Friday while conducting operations near Amariya in the volatile Anbar province.

That attack also killed two other Marines whose deaths had been reported earlier. The military had previously reported a Marine died Sunday from small-arms fire.

Lt. Col. Steven Boylan, chief spokesman for the U.S. military in Iraq, blasted media coverage for focusing on the 2,000 figure, saying that "the true milestones of this war are rarely covered or discussed."

"The 2,000 service members killed in Iraq supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom is not a milestone," he said. "It is an artificial mark on the wall set by individuals or groups with specific agendas and ulterior motives."

In Washington, the Senate paused in silence to honor the Americans who died in Iraq, after which members of both parties praised the troops for their sacrifice.

"These brave men and women in uniform sacrificed their lives for the cause of freedom and for the security of their fellow Americans, and we owe them a deep debt of gratitude," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican. "They heard the call of duty, and they took the fight to the enemy."

The Iraq Body Count -- a London-based group comprised of academics, human rights and anti-war activists -- estimates between 26,690 and 30,051 civilians in Iraq have been killed since the start of hostilities in March 2003. The estimate is based on compiled media accounts.

Boylan, quoted by The Associated Press, says the estimate of civilian casualties appears credible, adding: "We may never know the true number of the Iraqi public that has been killed or injured in this war. The Iraqi public has taken the brunt of the casualties."

But more Democrats than Republicans spoke in honor of the war dead, and some of their comments were laced with criticism of the Bush administration's handling of the effort.

"We need to think about what we can do to protect them and what we can do, eventually, to bring them home with the honor they deserve," said Sen. Barbara Mikulski, a Maryland Democrat.

"The enormity of this loss of 2,000 of our best and greatest breaks America's heart," said Sen. Dick Durbin, the Democratic whip from Illinois.

He called for America's leaders to redouble their efforts to find a way to end the war.

"We owe our fallen soldiers and their families answers; we owe them accountability," he said. "We can't allow our nation to drift into a war without end in Iraq."

With more than 150,000 troops still in harm's way in Iraq, Durbin said "the choice we face in Iraq is not a choice between resolve and retreat.

"The men and women in our military and their loved ones deserve a clear path to stability in Iraq."

He added, "We do not honor our fallen soldiers simply by adding to their numbers."

The death toll is far higher than the 382 U.S. troops who died in the 1991 Persian Gulf War, but lower than the toll from many previous conflicts.

More than 58,000 U.S. military personnel died in Vietnam, which spanned from 1961 to the mid-1970s.

The climbing death toll in Iraq comes at a time when polls have shown Bush's popularity among Americans suffering.

In a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Tuesday, 46 percent of the respondents said they believe Democrats could do better at handling the Iraq war, while 40 percent sided with the GOP.

Bush remained steadfast in the Iraq mission in his speech to military spouses.

"We don't know the course our own struggle will take, or the sacrifices that might lie ahead," he said. "We do know, however, that the defense of freedom is worth our sacrifice."

CNN's count of U.S. fatalities reflects reports from military sources and includes deaths in Iraq, Kuwait and other units assigned to the Iraq campaign.

The U.S. military does not publish an up-to-date running tally of deaths.

Since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003, more than 15,000 American service members have been wounded in the conflict, according to the Defense Department.

According to CNN's tally, 2,198 coalition troops have died in the war.

Al Qaeda in Iraq took credit Tuesday for suicide bombings near two Baghdad hotels the day before that killed at least 10 people and wounded 22 others, according to a posting on an Islamist Web site. CNN could not verify the authenticity of the claim.

Coalition forces have killed "several" insurgents in the western Iraqi town of Ushsh, the U.S. military said Tuesday. Six insurgents also were detained, according to a military statement. Ushsh is near Qaim, an Anbar town near the Syrian border.

A suicide bomber killed eight people, including five members of the Kurdish militia, and wounded 12 others in the northeastern city of Sulaimaniya, a political official said. Mula Bakhtiar, a high-ranking Patriotic Union of Kurdistan official, said three bombs struck Tuesday. Two of the bombs targeted Bakhtiar's convoy, wounding three guards.

Three Iraqi soldiers were killed Tuesday and one wounded when a roadside bomb struck an Iraqi army patrol in the southern Baghdad neighborhood of Dora.

Gunmen killed two Iraqi police officers transporting detainees Tuesday to Abu Ghraib prison in western Baghdad. Seven officers were wounded.
CNN's Saad Abedine, Ingrid Formanek, Nic Robertson and Mohammed Tawfeeq contributed to this report.

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Title: U.S. death toll in Iraq reaches 2,000
Post by: Daniel on October 26, 2005, 09:00:34 am: Wow only 2000! That's a very small number considering how big our Armed Forces are.
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Post by: Elizabeth Rose on October 26, 2005, 11:32:56 am: It's sad that it has to be that much, but at least that isn't a lot comparatively.
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Post by: Starr2k3 on October 26, 2005, 11:37:57 am: Quote
Wow only 2000! That's a very small number considering how big our Armed Forces are.
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WHAT?!

Shut up, 2000 people dead is a LARGE number. We should have none dead... we shouldn't even be there.
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Post by: Elizabeth Rose on October 26, 2005, 07:20:54 pm: Quote
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Wow only 2000! That's a very small number considering how big our Armed Forces are.
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Shut up, 2000 people dead is a LARGE number. We should have none dead... we shouldn't even be there.
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You shut up. You don't know a darn thing about the armed forces so shut up before I place my foot in your mouth.
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Post by: williambob286 on October 26, 2005, 07:54:53 pm: I saw in yahoo, it's 2001 now
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Post by: Daniel on October 26, 2005, 10:44:26 pm: That rounds down to 2000
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Post by: cmonkey on October 26, 2005, 11:29:22 pm: Quote
That rounds down to 2000
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I'm sure the family of the 2001st soldier wouldn't appreciate their son/daughter being rounded down.

Anyway, I'm glad the article listed the number of civilians dead. That number is often glossed over by the media. The U.S. soldiers chose to be soldiers, knowing that dying in their line of work was a possibility. Civilians do not have that choice.
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Post by: Isnt Anything on October 27, 2005, 03:01:33 pm: We shouldnt be there. It isnt our fight. Even though we have a "war on terror" none of them came from Iraq until all of this started. Lets try to fix New Orleans..
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on October 27, 2005, 03:16:53 pm: What I dont get is why Bush hasn't gone to Iraq and fought this war like all the other men & women. What's he afraid of? Get your butt in there and fight.
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Post by: Lil Loco on October 27, 2005, 03:18:32 pm: thatz about the dumbest question ive heard today...haz there ever been a instance where the president fought in a war while he waz president?
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Wow only 2000! That's a very small number considering how big our Armed Forces are.
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Shut up, 2000 people dead is a LARGE number. We should have none dead... we shouldn't even be there.
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You shut up. You don't know a darn thing about the armed forces so shut up before I place my foot in your mouth.
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Both of you shut up. We SHOULDNT be there. And you don't need to know anything about the armed forces to know that.

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What I dont get is why Bush hasn't gone to Iraq and fought this war like all the other men & women. What's he afraid of? Get your butt in there and fight.
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Yes. YES.

EDIT: Question: Why is 2000 so important? Its just as sad as the first soldier to die.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on October 27, 2005, 03:21:43 pm: Quote
thatz about the dumbest question ive heard today...haz there ever been a instance where the president fought in a war while he waz president?
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You calling me dumb?

Presidents are people to. People who are fighting in the war are people to. Everyone is the same. Let's all fight for what we believe in.
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Post by: Lil Loco on October 27, 2005, 03:22:41 pm: im callin ur question dumb...

and yea i agree, people should fight for wut they believe in...but if ANY president went into battle...not jus him...any president...he'd be a priority target.
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Post by: Scilla on October 27, 2005, 03:25:32 pm: All of our soldiers are 'priority targets'. And he should go to war, I mean, he's in good shape and he seems to like it. So why not? Let HIM experiance it, let HIM die.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on October 27, 2005, 03:32:07 pm: Quote
im callin ur question dumb...

and yea i agree, people should fight for wut they believe in...but if ANY president went into battle...not jus him...any president...he'd be a priority target.
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If the president cared about our soldiers & our country, he would see how they were doing. Go visit them. Go fight for us.

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All of our soldiers are 'priority targets'. And he should go to war, I mean, he's in good shape and he seems to like it. So why not? Let HIM experiance it, let HIM die.
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Scilla so smart :)
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Post by: Lil Loco on October 27, 2005, 03:32:37 pm: i dont claim to be the smartest person cuz...i know i aint...

but the whole idea of having a president would crumble if we sent our leaderz into battle. people that dont like bush, obviously wouldnt mind him goin to war and dyin...and they can fantasize about that all they want. but in reality it aint happenin...not for us, or any other country...

would england send tony blair to fight? would cuba send castro?

nah they wouldnt...so it can be said that he should go...and yea maybe he should go...az should alotta leaderz in wartime...but it aint happenin.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on October 27, 2005, 03:35:59 pm: Quote
i dont claim to be the smartest person cuz...i know i aint...

but the whole idea of having a president would crumble if we sent our leaderz into battle. people that dont like bush, obviously wouldnt mind him goin to war and dyin...and they can fantasize about that all they want. but in reality it aint happenin...not for us, or any other country...

would england send tony blair to fight? would cuba send castro?

nah they wouldnt...so it can be said that he should go...and yea maybe he should go...az should alotta leaderz in wartime...but it aint happenin.
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We have plenty of 'leaders'. They need to do something if they really care about our country. All they are doing is sitting around watching everyone die. That's not cool for a 'leader' to do.
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Post by: Lil Loco on October 27, 2005, 03:37:30 pm: yea i agree with u...im not sayin he shouldnt go there to give support and be with them...im jus sayin they aint gonna send him to fight.
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Post by: Roger on October 27, 2005, 03:39:31 pm: Even suggesting that the president should fight is STUPID.

Sorry Timo, but that is a dumb suggestion.
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thatz about the dumbest question ive heard today...haz there ever been a instance where the president fought in a war while he waz president?
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You calling me dumb?

Presidents are people to. People who are fighting in the war are people to. Everyone is the same. Let's all fight for what we believe in.
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It is a dumb question. The presidents job is too rule the country, not go to war himself. If you think Bush should literally be there as a soldier, then yeah, I'd say you don't have as many IQ points as I thought.

Scilla don't be a dumbass. That isn't how the armed forces work.

Ok, so it is mean to call you a dumbass. I still think what you said gets an F in the school of Liz.
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thatz about the dumbest question ive heard today...haz there ever been a instance where the president fought in a war while he waz president?
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You calling me dumb?

Presidents are people to. People who are fighting in the war are people to. Everyone is the same. Let's all fight for what we believe in.
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It is a dumb question. The presidents job is too rule the country, not go to war himself. If you think Bush should literally be there as a soldier, then yeah, I'd say you don't have as many IQ points as I thought.

Scilla don't be a dumbass. That isn't how the armed forces work.
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President doesnt give a crap about us.
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thatz about the dumbest question ive heard today...haz there ever been a instance where the president fought in a war while he waz president?
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You calling me dumb?

Presidents are people to. People who are fighting in the war are people to. Everyone is the same. Let's all fight for what we believe in.
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It is a dumb question. The presidents job is too rule the country, not go to war himself. If you think Bush should literally be there as a soldier, then yeah, I'd say you don't have as many IQ points as I thought.

Scilla don't be a dumbass. That isn't how the armed forces work.
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President doesnt give a crap about us.
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And that's a reason to send him to war? No. Just shut up. You're not making any sense.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on October 27, 2005, 03:51:14 pm: I'm making perfect sense. Maybe not to you.
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Post by: Lil Loco on October 27, 2005, 03:52:50 pm: well let me make perfect sense...

i dont care whether sumone thinkz bush iz best president since lincoln or if he'z the worst president in history. anyone wit any kinda sense should know that a president iznt gonna be put in a war...period...end 'a story.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on October 27, 2005, 03:54:20 pm: If we're gonna have a president, we need one that cares about the troops and citizens of the united states. All he cares about is himself and how he's gonna live through the next day.
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Post by: Lil Loco on October 27, 2005, 03:55:24 pm: ur not even arguing anymore homez...ur jus bashin him now...
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on October 27, 2005, 04:02:50 pm: Quote
ur not even arguing anymore homez...ur jus bashin him now...
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If I wanted to bash him, I would.
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Post by: Daniel on October 27, 2005, 04:03:38 pm: Quote
i dont care whether sumone thinkz bush iz best president since lincoln
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Let me seay somthing kinda off topic: Lincoln was the worst rebulican ever. He was an embaresment. I'm saying that because of the horrible state the south was in after The Civil War. My 2 cents.
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ur not even arguing anymore homez...ur jus bashin him now...
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If I wanted to bash him, I would.
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That's what you're doing. You quit arguing and started talking about how much he doesn't care.
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ur not even arguing anymore homez...ur jus bashin him now...
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If I wanted to bash him, I would.
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ok then...all im seein now iz u talkin smack against him.

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i dont care whether sumone thinkz bush iz best president since lincoln
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Let me seay somthing kinda off topic: Lincoln was the worst rebulican ever. He was an embaresment. I'm saying that because of the horrible state the south was in after The Civil War. My 2 cents.
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alotta southernerz are like that...i personally think he waz cool, but wutever...that dont matter.
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ur not even arguing anymore homez...ur jus bashin him now...
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If I wanted to bash him, I would.
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That's what you're doing. You quit arguing and started talking about how much he doesn't care.
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And let me add that he cannt possibly prove that.
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Post by: Scilla on October 28, 2005, 05:43:36 am: Quote
Even suggesting that the president should fight is STUPID.

Sorry Timo, but that is a dumb suggestion.
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It's not. It really isn't. Think of how the people feel. I haven't experienced it. And I hope I never will have to, but just think. "I am giving my life for something that is stupid, just stupid" Thats my opinion.

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thatz about the dumbest question ive heard today...haz there ever been a instance where the president fought in a war while he waz president?
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You calling me dumb?

Presidents are people to. People who are fighting in the war are people to. Everyone is the same. Let's all fight for what we believe in.
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Scilla don't be a dumbass. That isn't how the armed forces work.

Ok, so it is mean to call you a dumbass. I still think what you said gets an F in the school of Liz.
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I really don't appreciate being called a dumbass. And I take it very seriously. My opinion is my opinion. Don't call me a dumbass for it.

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thatz about the dumbest question ive heard today...haz there ever been a instance where the president fought in a war while he waz president?
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You calling me dumb?

Presidents are people to. People who are fighting in the war are people to. Everyone is the same. Let's all fight for what we believe in.
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It is a dumb question. The presidents job is too rule the country, not go to war himself. If you think Bush should literally be there as a soldier, then yeah, I'd say you don't have as many IQ points as I thought.

Scilla don't be a dumbass. That isn't how the armed forces work.
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President doesnt give a crap about us.
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And that's a reason to send him to war? No. Just shut up. You're not making any sense.
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NONE of you are making sense. C'mon. I KNOW they won't send him to war. I KNOW THIS. But if he would rather send thousands of men who are probably only 20-something who have yet to live their lives.. he is an evil man. But of course, they decided to do it.

The deathtoll is now at 2007.
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Post by: Roger on October 28, 2005, 08:13:36 am: So...instead of sending people who are young and able-bodied, you'd rather send the old men who can't do anything? Wow. That makes sense.

Besides, anyone who doesn't want to go to war shouldn't join the armed forces. It's a choice, not a requirement.
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Post by: Chrono on October 28, 2005, 09:06:10 am: This is stupid. Why the hell did they even start war? It's like a popularity contest, and Bush just wants everybody to know him.
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Post by: Isnt Anything on October 28, 2005, 09:19:23 am: Everyone is Stupid, ok? They've never sent a president to war (in modern times) and NEVER WILL! So, why are we having this stupid argument? You are arguing over something that will NEVER HAPPEN anyway. There is no need to call names and insult people, guys. If you cant be mature, dont post in here. If this continues, I'm closing this...
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Post by: Elizabeth Rose on October 28, 2005, 09:42:47 am: 2007 is still nothing for a war. In the Napoleonic wars 2000 was the average per battle. It's war. It's life. Cold? Yes, but that's life. If my brother is killed over there I will be darn proud of him anyway. I swear, no one has a sense of honor anymore.
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Post by: Lil Loco on October 28, 2005, 09:50:36 am: people that dont agree with us bein there obviously are gonna get p1ssed about our casualtiez...even if they are nuthin by comparison of all other warz. i got family thatz fought and family thatz still there, and im proud of 'em. and yea im with u all the way liz...but people that dont agree with it will never be convinced that anything iz worth it. i guess everyonez got their own opinionz...
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Post by: Elizabeth Rose on October 28, 2005, 09:54:49 am: Quote
people that dont agree with us bein there obviously are gonna get p1ssed about our casualtiez...even if they are nuthin by comparison of all other warz. i got family thatz fought and family thatz still there, and im proud of 'em. and yea im with u all the way liz...but people that dont agree with it will never be convinced that anything iz worth it. i guess everyonez got their own opinionz...
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Post by: Lil Loco on October 28, 2005, 09:57:29 am: hahah, yea...i try to avoid talkin bout stuff like this, cuz i get real serious about it. ive stayed pretty level here, but yea...politicz can get people goin real quick.
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So...instead of sending people who are young and able-bodied, you'd rather send the old men who can't do anything?Â Â Wow.Â That makes sense.

Besides, anyone who doesn't want to go to war shouldn't join the armed forces.Â It's a choice, not a requirement.
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Did she say she wanted them to send the old men? No.

I'd rather have no one to send and have this settled some other way that is non-violent. But, of course, that will NEVER happen.

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Everyone is Stupid, ok? They've never sent a president to war (in modern times) and NEVER WILL! So, why are we having this stupid argument? You are arguing over something that will NEVER HAPPEN anyway. There is no need to call names and insult people, guys. If you cant be mature, dont post in here. If this continues, I'm closing this...
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We know it will NEVER happen but it would be nice to see it, though.
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Post by: Elizabeth Rose on October 28, 2005, 11:51:19 am: It would not be nice to see. President goes to war. President is killed. Country is in chaos and a very bad person takes over. Country is screwed.

It would be an overall bad idea for ANY president to go to war. It just spells trouble.
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Post by: Atticus Finch on October 29, 2005, 07:20:44 pm: First and foremost, thank you Liz, Roger, and Jeremy.

It's not like Bush sent out a draft and forced all of these soldiers to go to war. They joined the army, they made a choice for their lifestyle. Yea, it's sad that there are so many casualties, but those people chose to die for their country. I can bet you that every soldier out there doesn't feel that they're wasting their lives in this war. If there are some out there, they shouldn't blame the president or America, they should blame themselves for joining the army. If the president joined the army, and became one of those casualties, we'd be in some deep ::Dolphin Noise:: wouldn't we?
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Post by: Lil Loco on October 29, 2005, 07:31:55 pm: kristi...ur awesome.
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Post by: Atticus Finch on October 29, 2005, 07:41:24 pm: Haha, thanks Jeremy. =)

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2007 is still nothing for a war. In the Napoleonic wars 2000 was the average per battle. It's war. It's life. Cold? Yes, but that's life. If my brother is killed over there I will be darn proud of him anyway. I swear, no one has a sense of honor anymore.

Once again, thank you. How about the millions of Jews that were killed by Hitler? Too bad for them, they didn't get to choose to die for their beliefs or culture. 2000 is a sad amount when describing death, but you've got to think a little more into it than just the number.
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Post by: Lil Loco on October 29, 2005, 07:48:26 pm: :D welcome...and yea, anywayz wut u said iz right. they did make a choice to join the military, and every lost life doez mean sumthin, it sux to know that we've lost wut we've lost, even though it aint much by comparison. and yea, im sure that most of the soldierz that joined the military havin the desire to serve their country, are proud of themselvez.
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kristi...ur awesome.
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Nice debate there :|

I still stick with my own thought. I want to see a president help out the troops once. Maybe I would care more about a president then.
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kristi...ur awesome.
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Nice debate there :|

I still stick with my own thought. I want to see a president help out the troops once. Maybe I would care more about a president then.
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hah, well she iz...

and help out in termz of wut...?
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Post by: Atticus Finch on October 29, 2005, 07:58:45 pm: Quote
I still stick with my own thought. I want to see a president help out the troops once. Maybe I would care more about a president then.
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Could you like, give me some examples of how he'd help them out?
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Post by: Elizabeth Rose on October 29, 2005, 08:02:05 pm: Quote
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I still stick with my own thought. I want to see a president help out the troops once. Maybe I would care more about a president then.
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Could you like, give me some examples of how he'd help them out?
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He'd get shot, leaving the country to go to pot. That's some darn good help right there.
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Post by: Lil Loco on October 29, 2005, 08:03:49 pm: ^ yea...

and that rhymed too...
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on October 29, 2005, 08:14:57 pm: Quote
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kristi...ur awesome.
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Nice debate there :|

I still stick with my own thought. I want to see a president help out the troops once. Maybe I would care more about a president then.
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hah, well she iz...

and help out in termz of wut...?
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Just one day, go out there and do what the soldiers are doing.

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I still stick with my own thought. I want to see a president help out the troops once. Maybe I would care more about a president then.
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Could you like, give me some examples of how he'd help them out?
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See above.

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I still stick with my own thought. I want to see a president help out the troops once. Maybe I would care more about a president then.
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Could you like, give me some examples of how he'd help them out?
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He'd get shot, leaving the country to go to pot. That's some darn good help right there.
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You dont know that.
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Post by: Lil Loco on October 29, 2005, 08:19:37 pm: Quote
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I still stick with my own thought. I want to see a president help out the troops once. Maybe I would care more about a president then.
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Could you like, give me some examples of how he'd help them out?
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He'd get shot, leaving the country to go to pot. That's some darn good help right there.
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You dont know that.
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if he waz anywhere near enemy forcez, yea he would...they'd throw everything they have at him.
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Post by: Elizabeth Rose on October 29, 2005, 08:22:02 pm: I do know that Timo. The enemy would seek him out if they knew he was there. And even if he didn't get shot, the country cannot take that chance. It is 100% illogical.
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Post by: Atticus Finch on October 29, 2005, 08:22:04 pm: Quote
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kristi...ur awesome.
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Nice debate there :|

I still stick with my own thought. I want to see a president help out the troops once. Maybe I would care more about a president then.
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hah, well she iz...

and help out in termz of wut...?
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Just one day, go out there and do what the soldiers are doing.
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I don't see how that would "help" anything.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on October 29, 2005, 08:23:39 pm: Quote
I do know that Timo. The enemy would seek him out if they knew he was there. And even if he didn't get shot, the country cannot take that chance. It is 100% illogical.
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I don't see how that would "help" anything.
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Umm. It would be a change of pace.
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Post by: Lil Loco on October 29, 2005, 08:25:44 pm: Quote
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I do know that Timo.Â The enemy would seek him out if they knew he was there.Â And even if he didn't get shot, the country cannot take that chance.Â It is 100% illogical.
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No one knows that for sure until we try.

well they aint gonna try...

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I don't see how that would "help" anything.
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Umm. It would be a change of pace.
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it wouldnt do nuthin...havin him there, iznt gonna help or speed anything up.
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Post by: ssj4gogita4 on October 29, 2005, 08:27:07 pm: Quote
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I do know that Timo. The enemy would seek him out if they knew he was there. And even if he didn't get shot, the country cannot take that chance. It is 100% illogical.
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No one knows that for sure until we try.

well they aint gonna try...

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I don't see how that would "help" anything.
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Umm. It would be a change of pace.
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it wouldnt do nuthin...havin him there, iznt gonna help or speed anything up.
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Forget this. We'll end up going back and forth arguing. Let me just end it with this. I believe in my opinions and I respect ya'lls. This is going no where.
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Post by: Elizabeth Rose on October 29, 2005, 08:28:49 pm: Quote
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I do know that Timo. The enemy would seek him out if they knew he was there. And even if he didn't get shot, the country cannot take that chance. It is 100% illogical.
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No one knows that for sure until we try.
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Yes, we do. The Iraqis aren't stupid, they'd go for the president in a heart beat. Once again, it goes against all logic.
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I do know that Timo. The enemy would seek him out if they knew he was there. And even if he didn't get shot, the country cannot take that chance. It is 100% illogical.
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No one knows that for sure until we try.

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I don't see how that would "help" anything.
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Umm. It would be a change of pace.
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it wouldnt do nuthin...havin him there, iznt gonna help or speed anything up.
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Forget this. We'll end up going back and forth arguing. Let me just end it with this. I believe in my opinions and I respect ya'lls. This is going no where.
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thatz fine...az long az the other person respectz mine, i respect therez...

but yea, lol...u had to know from the start this waz goin no where.
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I do know that Timo. The enemy would seek him out if they knew he was there. And even if he didn't get shot, the country cannot take that chance. It is 100% illogical.
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No one knows that for sure until we try.

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I don't see how that would "help" anything.
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Umm. It would be a change of pace.
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it wouldnt do nuthin...havin him there, iznt gonna help or speed anything up.
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Forget this. We'll end up going back and forth arguing. Let me just end it with this. I believe in my opinions and I respect ya'lls. This is going no where.
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thatz fine...az long az the other person respectz mine, i respect therez...

but yea, lol...u had to know from the start this waz goin no where.
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As is every debate topic X_X
Title: U.S. death toll in Iraq reaches 2,000
Post by: Jackie-Boy on October 29, 2005, 08:33:41 pm: Quote
I can bet you that every soldier out there doesn't feel that they're wasting their lives in this war. If there are some out there, they shouldn't blame the president or America, they should blame themselves for joining the army.
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My brother doesn't think he's wasting his time.

He knows he is.

He doesn't blame the President because he joined the army, he does blame himself.

But if we weren't in this asinine, illogical war which could have been avoided if we had someone with two grains of sense in the White House... he wouldn't be in the situation he's in in the first place.
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Post by: Scilla on November 03, 2005, 05:03:50 am: Jack is right. 100%. And Liz, I didn't know you were that mean.

But people have to know, that if my brother dies out there. I WILL be proud, I will. I know it was his choice.

If anyone watches Boston Legal, they made a TERRIFIC point. Soldiers go into the armed forces thinking they are doign medical, or computers, or just never seeing combat. Oh, but they are wrong. So wrong.

LORD. Don't yell at me Liz.
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Post by: Elizabeth Rose on November 03, 2005, 05:38:37 am: I'm not "mean" (in here, anyway :P), I'm just looking at this from a strictly logical point of view.

Even if they do think they will be working with computers, they know there is a chance they will have to go into combat at some point or another.
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Post by: Roger on November 03, 2005, 07:18:29 am: Quote
Even if they do think they will be working with computers, they know there is a chance they will have to go into combat at some point or another.
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That's exactly the reason I didn't join. I had considered it at one point as a way to pay for college and receive more education in the computer science field, but I honestly didn't want to go to war, so I decided against joining.