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Off Topic => Everything Else => Debate Den => Topic started by: VulturEMaN on January 04, 2007, 03:30:03 pm
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I asked myself this question after I looked at this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
So...whatcha think? I see his reasoning behind wanting to edit the Bible....but I'm not sure of anything past that...
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I dont think there is a need to edit the bible unless you're starting a new religion.
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Yes please.
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No. What should we edit out?
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The question is, what should we edit in?
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No one has put anything in it... I don't think so, that is.
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I am pretty sure he isn't talking about The original saying "The Rock White" and them changing it to "the White Rock." Not that there are any white rocks in the bible, just an example.
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Of course you can edit it. Remember this, though: As soon as it is edited, it is no longer the Bible.
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The bible is like any other story book... as long as whomever edits it has copyright privliges and has permission why not? And most people have a tendency to go by the Old Testiment and misinterperate a lot of thing in the bible. Thus it creates crazed religious fanatics *cough MSP cough* that become obsessed with it and see it as this great godly book to live by... if things in the old testement would have never changed we would all be going to hell... simple as that.
But yes, I believe, if people have the proper authority I see no wrong in editing it. If you honestly believe it has NEVER been edited in 2,000 years, you are a complete dumbass.
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Yea the Old Testement law was deemed null in the New Testement. So, that is why we don't kill people for breaking it anymore.
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Of course you can edit it. Remember this, though: As soon as it is edited, it is no longer the Bible.
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Yea. They DO edit the song of Solomon out of the kid's bibles.
If you don't know why, Look it up on wikipedia.
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Editing the Bible isn't even aquestion, you can't edit the text of your religion.
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Editing the Bible isn't even aquestion, you can't edit the text of your religion.
Oh please, the muslims do it, the jews do it, wtf mate?
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Taking out excerpts is fine.
Editing it is not.
The worst part is, the Bible has been edited by so many different people throughout history.
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If we were to edit the bible, it couldn't be any more than changing "thou" to "you". Changing, adding or removing content in the Bible is where to stop.
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If the bible has already been edited, then my theory stands true.
It is just a book.
I say, edit it as much as you want.
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NO! The Bible is a Legendly Book.
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The Bible is a STORY Book.
There, fixed it for you.
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Ty you're my homie and everything, but that's only as far as you're concerned.
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The Bible is a STORY Book.
There, fixed it for you.
I love you. Lol.
^_^
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Backup your reasoning.
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Backup your reasoning.
I am 10% Buddist.
30% Reunionist.
and...60% scientist. ^_^
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I meant to backup why you believe that the Bible is a story.
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I meant to backup why you believe that the Bible is a story.
because i don't beleive anything that is said within it, most of the things in the bible sound more like stories.
Which isn't a bad thing, some stories are good.
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Ty you're my homie and everything, but that's only as far as you're concerned.
Ok, then Jeremy... you believe in it? That's great. I am glad you have some religious balance in your life =)
I meant to backup why you believe that the Bible is a story.
What other evidence is there that it isn't? Did you see Jesus Christ walk the Earth? Did you see a big celestial hand come out of the heavens and dump a big bucket of coal on Sodom and Gommorah? Did you ever see a 6 ft. long serpant offer you fruit from his garden? Did you see a women miraculously give birth to a baby boy without having sex with her husband? It isn't that hard to backup my opinion... in fact, it is quite easy. But that is my belief... you have yours and I respect them as I expect the same from you. I believe that the bible has some good lessons to follow and some interesting stories... but I hardly would live my life by such a book. The bible is not meant to be taken literally. It is simply a book with some life lessons and stories. I just don't exalt is as some great, celestial, godly, book. Anyways, you're supposed to be worshipping God... not the bible. That is idolatry. Naughty, naughty B)
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Well I appreciate it. Honestly my relationship with God has nothin to do with "religion" though. I hate what religion does to people...It's a barrier. People get so caught up in trying to follow sacraments and practices that they forget what being a Christian is all about. Following God, loving your neighbor as yourself, and spreading the Word. As far as the Bible goes, it's the book I live by...period. The inspired Word of God. Non-believers can mock it all they want, but it'll never change a thing for me. That book is the reason I'm still breathing today. So go ahead, call it a story-book...call it whatever you want...But that's my freakin story book and my story book ain't no fiction novel.
It takes faith to believe in many things and this is where my faith lies. I've layed my life and soul on it. I'd never try to force-feed my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I have and will defend my faith till the day I breathe my last breath.
On that note...It's time for pizza.
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Well I appreciate it. Honestly my relationship with God has nothin to do with "religion" though. I hate what religion does to people...It's a barrier. People get so caught up in trying to follow sacraments and practices that they forget what being a Christian is all about. Following God, loving your neighbor as yourself, and spreading the Word. As far as the Bible goes, it's the book I live by...period. The inspired Word of God. Non-believers can mock it all they want, but it'll never change a thing for me. That book is the reason I'm still breathing today. So go ahead, call it a story-book...call it whatever you want...But that's my freakin story book and my story book ain't no fiction novel.
It takes faith to believe in many things and this is where my faith lies. I've layed my life and soul on it. I'd never try to force-feed my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I have and will defend my faith till the day I breathe my last breath.
On that note...It's time for pizza.
I am not trying to mock it... that is not my goal. I don't believe it is appropriate to mock someone because of their religious beliefs. It is bigoted and just plain discrimination. I do believe in God, maybe even multiple Gods... because I find it hard to believe all this stuff just appeared out of nowhere. Some higher power or force is it there... that created this world. But what I guess I want to say is I just don't believe a lot of the things in the bible. And good for you Jeremy. Don't let anyone make you feel bad about your religious beliefs. But know the difference between someone like me who simple denounces the religion or someone who is alright discriminating against you. You're a great guy, Jeremy. I like you. Wether you are Christian, Satanist, Pagan, Dog-frog-monkey idol worshipper... whatever. You are still you regardless of your religion. And you have people on opposite sides of the spectrum trying to shove their opinions down your throat and forcing you to accept them, when they themselves are unaccepting.
But anyways, I honestly find it hard to believe that the bible has never been edited in the past. Why is there a King James version? Isn't it supposed to be God's bible? Who is this... King James? It is 2,000 years old and has been translated into every language imaginable. I just find it impossible that it has never been edited in the past.
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I understand that and I respect your beliefs as well. I'm just expressing mine to their full extent, not just to you, but to people in general.
And the King James Version is simply the bible, translated into English. It was published in the early 1600's so that English-speakers could read the Bible.
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Oh, the bible hasn't been edited alot....they've just ripped entire contradictory sections out of it to make it flow better, and they replaced the word sh!t with dung and fecal matter alot....
http://www.jeffwofford.com/2006/11/wading-in-skubala.html
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Contradictory sections, I see. That's why Christianity still stands right? That's why, to this day, no one can truly disprove the Bible right? If they had plausable concrete facts that disproved my faith, people all over the world would step away from it. But they haven't. You can say "Oh there's contraditionary sections that they just took out, and that's why they're wrong" all you want. Doesn't mean anything.
And in the context that Paul uses the word, it isn't vulgar. Dung translates to the same word. If he were to use it in context as insult or otherwise...It could be conveyed that he is being vulgar and impolite. He is simply saying that everything other thing in the world is as worthless as crap next to Christ. Same with the other word. It's not vulgar, so get over yourself. =D
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It's not the same exact religion as it's supposed to be once it's edited.
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The Bible has been translated and edited so many times throughout history that you cannot take its word as truth. That is why I think that The Qur'an is far more reliable, for the following reasons.
1. Most of the New Testament was written years after Jesus died, so all they had were the stories that they had been told, and you know for a fact that if a story is told, that same story will not be the same in a hundred years after so many people have told it.
2. Unlike The Bible, The Qur'an was revealed to Muhammed directly from the angel Gabriel. What is more likely to be true?
3. The Qur'an has not been edited so many times like The Bible has, and can still be read in the language it was written in, so there is no misunderstanding in translation to a modern language.
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Contradictory sections, I see. That's why Christianity still stands right? That's why, to this day, no one can truly disprove the Bible right? If they had plausable concrete facts that disproved my faith, people all over the world would step away from it. But they haven't. You can say "Oh there's contraditionary sections that they just took out, and that's why they're wrong" all you want. Doesn't mean anything.
And in the context that Paul uses the word, it isn't vulgar. Dung translates to the same word. If he were to use it in context as insult or otherwise...It could be conveyed that he is being vulgar and impolite. He is simply saying that everything other thing in the world is as worthless as crap next to Christ. Same with the other word. It's not vulgar, so get over yourself. =D
What do you mean nobody can disprove the bible? It can't be proved or disproved... that's the thing about the bible. Nobody has been able to prove or disprove it as of yet. It is like a stalemate. You either choose to believe it or not.
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Contradictory sections, I see. That's why Christianity still stands right? That's why, to this day, no one can truly disprove the Bible right? If they had plausable concrete facts that disproved my faith, people all over the world would step away from it. But they haven't. You can say "Oh there's contraditionary sections that they just took out, and that's why they're wrong" all you want. Doesn't mean anything.
By contradictory sections, I meant ones that explicitly told you that you could eat shellfish, and then there would be another section that would say you couldn't. So they just picked out the ones that they liked the best and tossed the others.
We had a guest speaker come in and give us a book of the 'found' testaments. Some were fairly holyish, while others weren't at all.
I ain't trying to bash your religion (cause it's mine also lmao), but it is as squiddy has said above....the Qur'an is as close to an unedited holy book as you can get imho....
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Well we can all believe what we feel is right. That's the beauty of freedom lol. Anyways, my bad if I came off harsh at all. Just tryin to get a point across. Anyways, Im done with this particular argument. I've stated my point and beliefs. GG everypeoples.
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Unlike fundamentalists, I believe the Bible should be read almost entirely figuratively. I don't even know if Jesus was a person. Perhaps he was a spiritual enlightenment. Perhaps he has already come a second time, in the form of the Renaissance.
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3. The Qur'an has not been edited so many times like The Bible has, and can still be read in the language it was written in, so there is no misunderstanding in translation to a modern language.
You can still read the bible in Hebrew...
O.O
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3. The Qur'an has not been edited so many times like The Bible has, and can still be read in the language it was written in, so there is no misunderstanding in translation to a modern language.
You can still read the bible in Hebrew...
O.O
Why would you though unless you're Jewish? And how many Jews do you know of that read the bible?
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There's a Jewish couple that goes to our church who became Christians. Their Bible is in Hebrew.
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Unlike fundamentalists, I believe the Bible should be read almost entirely figuratively. I don't even know if Jesus was a person. Perhaps he was a spiritual enlightenment. Perhaps he has already come a second time, in the form of the Renaissance.
I don't think you know what fundamentalists means.
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Unlike fundamentalists, I believe the Bible should be read almost entirely figuratively. I don't even know if Jesus was a person. Perhaps he was a spiritual enlightenment. Perhaps he has already come a second time, in the form of the Renaissance.
I don't think you know what fundamentalists means.
Do YOU know what it means?
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Unlike fundamentalists, I believe the Bible should be read almost entirely figuratively. I don't even know if Jesus was a person. Perhaps he was a spiritual enlightenment. Perhaps he has already come a second time, in the form of the Renaissance.
I don't think you know what fundamentalists means.
Do YOU know what it means?
I just asked my pokedex....it told me that none of you know what it means :P
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Unlike fundamentalists, I believe the Bible should be read almost entirely figuratively. I don't even know if Jesus was a person. Perhaps he was a spiritual enlightenment. Perhaps he has already come a second time, in the form of the Renaissance.
I don't think you know what fundamentalists means.
Do YOU know what it means?
I just asked my pokedex....it told me that none of you know what it means :P
Pretty much figured.
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Unlike fundamentalists, I believe the Bible should be read almost entirely figuratively. I don't even know if Jesus was a person. Perhaps he was a spiritual enlightenment. Perhaps he has already come a second time, in the form of the Renaissance.
I don't think you know what fundamentalists means.
From Wikipedia:
In comparative religion, fundamentalism has come to refer to several different understandings of religious thought and practice, through literal interpretation of religious texts such as the Bible or the Qur'an and sometimes also anti-modernist movements in various religions.
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Well wikipedia is wrong. I have had my fair share of fundamentalist idiots. They are usually people who like to make up a bunch of rules that have nothing to do with the Bible and then determine that it is God's will and try to force everyone they know to succumb to it. Such as the fundamentalist freaks where my cousin lives, for example. They believe and preach that it is a sin to wear denim. No Biblical evidence to back it up, but they will be on your tail in seconds flat if you are caught wearing denim.
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What is a pokedex...
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What is a pokedex...
Pokemon you dork. You're a 90s kid. You should know this =p
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Sorry, I watched Digimon.