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Republican...Democrat wich are you?!
Lately I have pretty much become a Rebublican because I am undersatnding that Rebublicans are interactive with the bible.For example Rebublicans are aginst gay marrige and abortion.It seems that Democrats are for letting the people do what ever they want like get married to the same sex and having an abortion.Am I right?please tell me.What party are you?
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Republican...Democrat wich are you?!
Lately I have pretty much become a Rebublican because I am undersatnding that Rebublicans are interactive with the bible.For example Rebublicans are aginst gay marrige and abortion.It seems that Democrats are for letting the people do what ever they want like get married to the same sex and having an abortion.Am I right?please tell me.What party are you?
I am pretty much moderate.
I am against abortions... I am however pro-gay marriage as I myself am homosexual. I see nothing wrong with gays and lesbians getting married. It is perfectly fine.
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Republican...Democrat wich are you?!
Lately I have pretty much become a Rebublican because I am undersatnding that Rebublicans are interactive with the bible.For example Rebublicans are aginst gay marrige and abortion.It seems that Democrats are for letting the people do what ever they want like get married to the same sex and having an abortion.Am I right?please tell me.What party are you?
I am pretty much moderate.
I am against abortions... I am however pro-gay marriage as I myself am homosexual. I see nothing wrong with gays and lesbians getting married. It is perfectly fine.
I don't have a problem with gays or lesbians.Im just not for them getting married simply for the Bible says other wise.
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I'm a moderate, overall. I prefer a government that doesn't interfere with my life as much as possible.
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Republican...Democrat wich are you?!
Lately I have pretty much become a Rebublican because I am undersatnding that Rebublicans are interactive with the bible.For example Rebublicans are aginst gay marrige and abortion.It seems that Democrats are for letting the people do what ever they want like get married to the same sex and having an abortion.Am I right?please tell me.What party are you?
I am pretty much moderate.
I am against abortions... I am however pro-gay marriage as I myself am homosexual. I see nothing wrong with gays and lesbians getting married. It is perfectly fine.
I don't have a problem with gays or lesbians.Im just not for them getting married simply for the Bible says other wise.
Not everyone believes in the bible though... you need to understand that and it is a foolish thing to make a law banning gay marriage just because of some 2,000 year old obscure Leviticus passage.
This is why we need seperation of church and state, because the imbociles in government want to ban gay marriage just because of some religious book. That is WRONG. And nowhere in the bible anyways, does it claim that gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to get married. It says "Thou shall not lie with manking as with womenkind it is an abomination" It does not say anything about gay marriage at all.
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Does anyone have a link to one of those tests to tell you what you are?
I vote for mixed views. I am neither, but I am not in the middle. I take extremes on both sides.
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Does anyone have a link to one of those tests to tell you what you are?
I vote for mixed views. I am neither, but I am not in the middle. I take extremes on both sides.
Ahh I know what test you are talking about. I have no idea where it is though. I think I was a mild liberal. I mwas pretty much right in the middle.
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I'm totally with DoG. I'm for gay marraiges, but against abortion.
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I am most definitely a Republican. I do have some liberal environmental and animal views, but I am still a Republican. Sure, most Republicans don't care about the environment, but they come right out and say it. Most Democrat politicians say they do when they don't.
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I found a beautiful test :D
http://www.politicalcompass.org/questionnaire
Its a good number of questions too :)
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After looking at the scores, I have no world leaders near me :(
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But I do have musicians :D Beethoven is my buddy B)
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I did printscreen to save the picture...you can't right-click and copy...
I'm just happy that I'm down in the 'good' corner with all of the 'good' people :P
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I am most definitely a Republican. I do have some liberal environmental and animal views, but I am still a Republican. Sure, most Republicans don't care about the environment, but they come right out and say it. Most Democrat politicians say they do when they don't.
You have a point... democratic politicians to tend to do that quite a bit. Kerry being a prime example. He sent a flyer to all PAers claiming to protect hunting rights. I laughed at the peice of rubbish and threw it away.
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I sorta figured out this compass stuff, but I'm still a lil bit confused.
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Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72
The test is extremely narrow, and occasionally the questions are leading, but at least it stuck me in the correct quadrant.
Anyway, I'm registered as a member of the Green Party, but my views fall close to those of Ralph Nader: green, socially and economically liberal.
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Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21
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Honestly, I don't care who gets elected at this point... anyone will be better then that murderous tyrant Bush.
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Republican.
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Honestly, I don't care who gets elected at this point... anyone will be better then that murderous tyrant Bush.
Would you care if an equally murderous tyrant was elected?
I'm a pacifist. I believe fighting is almost always wrong.
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Pacifism is an ideology, not a political party. But I guess most people don't fit directly into any poltical party anyways. I don't.
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Honestly, I don't care who gets elected at this point... anyone will be better then that murderous tyrant Bush.
Would you care if an equally murderous tyrant was elected?
I'm a pacifist. I believe fighting is almost always wrong.
Sorry, but that isn't possible... I don't think anyone could be as bad as Bush unless Hitler himself rose from the grave.
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Or the time Clinton bombed a candy factory or something like that. :rolleyes:
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Or the time Clinton bombed a candy factory or something like that. :rolleyes:
FTW?
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Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36
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yay the good quadrant gets another :D
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Lol I dont even get a quadrant...I'm right on a line. :P
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I'm fairly close to 0,0...:)
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I'm a republican B)
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Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72
The test is extremely narrow, and occasionally the questions are leading, but at least it stuck me in the correct quadrant.
Anyway, I'm registered as a member of the Green Party, but my views fall close to those of Ralph Nader: green, socially and economically liberal.
That test is slightly biased, I know some conservatives who where labeled moderate liberals on that test.
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Yeah, the closest person on the chart to me is Romano Prodi...I might hafta take it again. :P
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I'm a republican B)
So was Hitler.
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No...Hitler's party was the Nazi party, Ty. :P
And last I checked, republicans were for capitalism...The Nazi party wasn't. :P
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No...Hitler's party was the Nazi party, Ty. :P
And last I checked, republicans were for capitalism...The Nazi party wasn't. :P
Actually, the Nazi party hated communists. Nazis were extremely right-winged.
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Yeah they hated communists...They were against captialism as well. They didn't believe in a system without heavy government control. You can say that the Nazi's were right-winged, that doesn't mean they are similar to American republicans. Right-wing and left-wing are one-dimensional labels for political ideologys. Those names by themselves provide little in-depth description for what someone believes in. If I was to go by "right-wing" and "left-wing" alone, I could say that all American democrats are just like communists.
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I am not democrat nor republican. I don't believe in a two party system.
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Did you know that Arnold Schwartzenegger's father was in the Nazi party?
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I am not democrat nor republican. I don't believe in a two party system.
Do you believe in a multiple party system at all. With a one-party system, nothing would ever get done.
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Did you know that Arnold Schwartzenegger's father was in the Nazi party?
Everyone knows his dad was Nazi. That has nothing to do him.
He's not doin a real good job with everything here right now though.
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Yes but you have to know that over 90% of the population belive in A God of some sort.alot of people elect their leaders on what they belive.The point of an election is to do what the people want right?Well if most of the people belive in the Bibles teachings than the president has no choice but to run the nation based on the Bible.See what I mean?
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Republican...Democrat wich are you?!
Lately I have pretty much become a Rebublican because I am undersatnding that Rebublicans are interactive with the bible.For example Rebublicans are aginst gay marrige and abortion.It seems that Democrats are for letting the people do what ever they want like get married to the same sex and having an abortion.Am I right?please tell me.What party are you?
I am pretty much moderate.
I am against abortions... I am however pro-gay marriage as I myself am homosexual. I see nothing wrong with gays and lesbians getting married. It is perfectly fine.
I don't have a problem with gays or lesbians.Im just not for them getting married simply for the Bible says other wise.
Not everyone believes in the bible though... you need to understand that and it is a foolish thing to make a law banning gay marriage just because of some 2,000 year old obscure Leviticus passage.
This is why we need seperation of church and state, because the imbociles in government want to ban gay marriage just because of some religious book. That is WRONG. And nowhere in the bible anyways, does it claim that gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to get married. It says "Thou shall not lie with manking as with womenkind it is an abomination" It does not say anything about gay marriage at all.
Yes but you have to know that over 90% of the population belive in the Bible.alot of people elect their leaders on what they belive.The point of an election is to do what the people want right?Well if most of the people belive in the Bibles teachings than the president has no choice but to run the nation based on the Bible.See what I mean?
Where are these figures? Where are these 90% figures you speak of? No, I don't see what you mean. Religion has no place in politics. Prove to me that 90% of American believe in your storybook. Show me statistics, please.
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Actually Joey, the percentage of U.S. citizen affiliation with Christian-groups floats around the mid-to-high 70% range. Still a high percentage though.
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Republican...Democrat wich are you?!
Lately I have pretty much become a Rebublican because I am undersatnding that Rebublicans are interactive with the bible.For example Rebublicans are aginst gay marrige and abortion.It seems that Democrats are for letting the people do what ever they want like get married to the same sex and having an abortion.Am I right?please tell me.What party are you?
I am pretty much moderate.
I am against abortions... I am however pro-gay marriage as I myself am homosexual. I see nothing wrong with gays and lesbians getting married. It is perfectly fine.
I don't have a problem with gays or lesbians.Im just not for them getting married simply for the Bible says other wise.
Not everyone believes in the bible though... you need to understand that and it is a foolish thing to make a law banning gay marriage just because of some 2,000 year old obscure Leviticus passage.
This is why we need seperation of church and state, because the imbociles in government want to ban gay marriage just because of some religious book. That is WRONG. And nowhere in the bible anyways, does it claim that gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to get married. It says "Thou shall not lie with manking as with womenkind it is an abomination" It does not say anything about gay marriage at all.
Yes but you have to know that over 90% of the population belive in the Bible.alot of people elect their leaders on what they belive.The point of an election is to do what the people want right?Well if most of the people belive in the Bibles teachings than the president has no choice but to run the nation based on the Bible.See what I mean?
Where are these figures? Where are these 90% figures you speak of? No, I don't see what you mean. Religion has no place in politics. Prove to me that 90% of American believe in your storybook. Show me statistics, please.
I Didn't mean that over 90% belives in the Bible I meant that over 90% practice a religion.And I've read before in some of posts that you have "Strong Christian beliefs".Now your calling the Bible a "story book".
When the PEOPLE elct their leaders,the leaders have to do what the PEOPLE want.And in this case the majority of the PEOPLE belive in God.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Major_religions_2005_pie_small.png)
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Republican...Democrat wich are you?!
Lately I have pretty much become a Rebublican because I am undersatnding that Rebublicans are interactive with the bible.For example Rebublicans are aginst gay marrige and abortion.It seems that Democrats are for letting the people do what ever they want like get married to the same sex and having an abortion.Am I right?please tell me.What party are you?
I am pretty much moderate.
I am against abortions... I am however pro-gay marriage as I myself am homosexual. I see nothing wrong with gays and lesbians getting married. It is perfectly fine.
I don't have a problem with gays or lesbians.Im just not for them getting married simply for the Bible says other wise.
Not everyone believes in the bible though... you need to understand that and it is a foolish thing to make a law banning gay marriage just because of some 2,000 year old obscure Leviticus passage.
This is why we need seperation of church and state, because the imbociles in government want to ban gay marriage just because of some religious book. That is WRONG. And nowhere in the bible anyways, does it claim that gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to get married. It says "Thou shall not lie with manking as with womenkind it is an abomination" It does not say anything about gay marriage at all.
Yes but you have to know that over 90% of the population belive in the Bible.alot of people elect their leaders on what they belive.The point of an election is to do what the people want right?Well if most of the people belive in the Bibles teachings than the president has no choice but to run the nation based on the Bible.See what I mean?
Where are these figures? Where are these 90% figures you speak of? No, I don't see what you mean. Religion has no place in politics. Prove to me that 90% of American believe in your storybook. Show me statistics, please.
I Didn't mean that over 90% belives in the Bible I meant that over 90% practice a religion.And I've read before in some of posts that you have "Strong Christian beliefs".Now your calling the Bible a "story book".
When the PEOPLE elct their leaders,the leaders have to do what the PEOPLE want.And in this case the majority of the PEOPLE belive in God.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Major_religions_2005_pie_small.png)
When politicians are elected, they put their hands on a Bible and promise to uphold the Constitution. They do not put their hands on the Constitution and promise to uphold the Bible! No one should base politics on the Bible. The Bible is a good book, but its not the only book. Jesus wasn't a politician, Jefferson was. I'd rather base my political ideologies on what Jefferson had to say, and base my theological ideologies on what Jesus had to say. By the way, Jefferson said: "I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another."
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Republican...Democrat wich are you?!
Lately I have pretty much become a Rebublican because I am undersatnding that Rebublicans are interactive with the bible.For example Rebublicans are aginst gay marrige and abortion.It seems that Democrats are for letting the people do what ever they want like get married to the same sex and having an abortion.Am I right?please tell me.What party are you?
I am pretty much moderate.
I am against abortions... I am however pro-gay marriage as I myself am homosexual. I see nothing wrong with gays and lesbians getting married. It is perfectly fine.
I don't have a problem with gays or lesbians.Im just not for them getting married simply for the Bible says other wise.
Not everyone believes in the bible though... you need to understand that and it is a foolish thing to make a law banning gay marriage just because of some 2,000 year old obscure Leviticus passage.
This is why we need seperation of church and state, because the imbociles in government want to ban gay marriage just because of some religious book. That is WRONG. And nowhere in the bible anyways, does it claim that gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to get married. It says "Thou shall not lie with manking as with womenkind it is an abomination" It does not say anything about gay marriage at all.
Yes but you have to know that over 90% of the population belive in the Bible.alot of people elect their leaders on what they belive.The point of an election is to do what the people want right?Well if most of the people belive in the Bibles teachings than the president has no choice but to run the nation based on the Bible.See what I mean?
Where are these figures? Where are these 90% figures you speak of? No, I don't see what you mean. Religion has no place in politics. Prove to me that 90% of American believe in your storybook. Show me statistics, please.
I Didn't mean that over 90% belives in the Bible I meant that over 90% practice a religion.And I've read before in some of posts that you have "Strong Christian beliefs".Now your calling the Bible a "story book".
When the PEOPLE elct their leaders,the leaders have to do what the PEOPLE want.And in this case the majority of the PEOPLE belive in God.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Major_religions_2005_pie_small.png)
What? When did I say I have strong christian beliefs?!?! Point me out a recent post in where I say that because I don't know what the hell you're talking about, and if you mean that one thread in the games forums, I was posting something the person above me would never say. Christianity means JACK to me and I have stated this before. And that is only 30% Joey... what about the 70% who aren't Christians? Why should we be governed by some book we don't believe in?
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Republican...Democrat wich are you?!
Lately I have pretty much become a Rebublican because I am undersatnding that Rebublicans are interactive with the bible.For example Rebublicans are aginst gay marrige and abortion.It seems that Democrats are for letting the people do what ever they want like get married to the same sex and having an abortion.Am I right?please tell me.What party are you?
I am pretty much moderate.
I am against abortions... I am however pro-gay marriage as I myself am homosexual. I see nothing wrong with gays and lesbians getting married. It is perfectly fine.
I don't have a problem with gays or lesbians.Im just not for them getting married simply for the Bible says other wise.
Not everyone believes in the bible though... you need to understand that and it is a foolish thing to make a law banning gay marriage just because of some 2,000 year old obscure Leviticus passage.
This is why we need seperation of church and state, because the imbociles in government want to ban gay marriage just because of some religious book. That is WRONG. And nowhere in the bible anyways, does it claim that gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to get married. It says "Thou shall not lie with manking as with womenkind it is an abomination" It does not say anything about gay marriage at all.
Yes but you have to know that over 90% of the population belive in the Bible.alot of people elect their leaders on what they belive.The point of an election is to do what the people want right?Well if most of the people belive in the Bibles teachings than the president has no choice but to run the nation based on the Bible.See what I mean?
Where are these figures? Where are these 90% figures you speak of? No, I don't see what you mean. Religion has no place in politics. Prove to me that 90% of American believe in your storybook. Show me statistics, please.
I Didn't mean that over 90% belives in the Bible I meant that over 90% practice a religion.And I've read before in some of posts that you have "Strong Christian beliefs".Now your calling the Bible a "story book".
When the PEOPLE elct their leaders,the leaders have to do what the PEOPLE want.And in this case the majority of the PEOPLE belive in God.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Major_religions_2005_pie_small.png)
What? When did I say I have strong christian beliefs?!?! Point me out a recent post in where I say that because I don't know what the hell you're talking about, and if you mean that one thread in the games forums, I was posting something the person above me would never say. Christianity means JACK to me and I have stated this before. And that is only 30% Joey... what about the 70% who aren't Christians? Why should we be governed by some book we don't believe in?
Well first off you are right about you having no Christianity beliefs.Second Im not showing the graph to focus on Christians I'm showing the graph to tell you that most people belive in a God of some sort.And it is all about the votes.The majority of the people belive in God.and I think you've forgotten that I have no problem with gays being together I just don't think they should get married.
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Republican...Democrat wich are you?!
Lately I have pretty much become a Rebublican because I am undersatnding that Rebublicans are interactive with the bible.For example Rebublicans are aginst gay marrige and abortion.It seems that Democrats are for letting the people do what ever they want like get married to the same sex and having an abortion.Am I right?please tell me.What party are you?
I am pretty much moderate.
I am against abortions... I am however pro-gay marriage as I myself am homosexual. I see nothing wrong with gays and lesbians getting married. It is perfectly fine.
I don't have a problem with gays or lesbians.Im just not for them getting married simply for the Bible says other wise.
Not everyone believes in the bible though... you need to understand that and it is a foolish thing to make a law banning gay marriage just because of some 2,000 year old obscure Leviticus passage.
This is why we need seperation of church and state, because the imbociles in government want to ban gay marriage just because of some religious book. That is WRONG. And nowhere in the bible anyways, does it claim that gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to get married. It says "Thou shall not lie with manking as with womenkind it is an abomination" It does not say anything about gay marriage at all.
Yes but you have to know that over 90% of the population belive in the Bible.alot of people elect their leaders on what they belive.The point of an election is to do what the people want right?Well if most of the people belive in the Bibles teachings than the president has no choice but to run the nation based on the Bible.See what I mean?
Where are these figures? Where are these 90% figures you speak of? No, I don't see what you mean. Religion has no place in politics. Prove to me that 90% of American believe in your storybook. Show me statistics, please.
I Didn't mean that over 90% belives in the Bible I meant that over 90% practice a religion.And I've read before in some of posts that you have "Strong Christian beliefs".Now your calling the Bible a "story book".
When the PEOPLE elct their leaders,the leaders have to do what the PEOPLE want.And in this case the majority of the PEOPLE belive in God.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Major_religions_2005_pie_small.png)
What? When did I say I have strong christian beliefs?!?! Point me out a recent post in where I say that because I don't know what the hell you're talking about, and if you mean that one thread in the games forums, I was posting something the person above me would never say. Christianity means JACK to me and I have stated this before. And that is only 30% Joey... what about the 70% who aren't Christians? Why should we be governed by some book we don't believe in?
Well first off you are right about you having no Christianity beliefs.Second Im not showing the graph to focus on Christians I'm showing the graph to tell you that most people belive in a God of some sort.And it is all about the votes.The majority of the people belive in God.and I think you've forgotten that I have no problem with gays being together I just don't think they should get married.
Who said I didn't believe in God? I just don't believe in the Christian God. I have my idea of God that I go by, and follow... I don't agree with the bible, many things inside it contradict each other. You don't need to follow the bible to be a Christian as well. I just think every religion deserves the same amount of respect as the next, and Christian seem to villanize, demonize, and abolish all other religions and their followers as heretics. I actually would like to become Pagan or Wiccan at some point when I have the time. THEY accept all sexualities as natural. And you say you don't think gays should get married. Cool. But point out to me one verse in the bible that specifically states that gays are not allowed to get married. No, seriously, if you can find a specific verse for me where it says "Two men or two women shall not wed" then point it out to me. I am aware it says "don't lie with makind as wiht womankind" yadda yadda yadda. Just show me a verse that claims two men or two women CAN NOT marry.
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If you guys don't quit quoting these huge ass posts I am going to close this thread. Seriously, edit out the parts that you don't need.
Oh yeah. And please, for the love of God, hit the space bar after a period.
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If you guys don't quit quoting these huge ass posts I am going to close this thread. Seriously, edit out the parts that you don't need.
Sorry hun, I tend not to pay attention. I'll try to remember next time.
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Yeah, ILU guys, but it is seriously annoying.
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You should check out that one thread in wasteland then, there are so many quoted posts it slows down my computer, and my connection is pretty damn fast.
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You should check out that one thread in wasteland then, there are so many quoted posts it slows down my computer, and my connection is pretty damn fast.
LOL, I know. That one is just for fun n games though, so I left it. I just don't click on it. I hate things that will crash my computer, like my ex's MySpace page.
Hahaha, so off topic.
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Anyways, I am not trying to come off as disrespectful to Christians but sometimes they really irk me, especially the ones who think it is ok to bash gays, just because the bible says it is an abomination. God wants his followers to not hold contempt or bear grudges against anyone.
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Anyways, I am not trying to come off as disrespectful to Christians but sometimes they really irk me, especially the ones who think it is ok to bash gays, just because the bible says it is an abomination. God wants his followers to not hold contempt or bear grudges against anyone.
Actually, gay bashing pisses me off too. However, there is a huge difference between thinking being gay is a sin and thinking "omg i h8 gaes al u gay guyz go 2 h3l!!!11 burng fagz!11" I mean then the person is just being retarded and I hate stupidity. I personally don't care what two adult, consenting people do in the bedroom as long as they don't make it public knowledge. This goes for both gays and straights. No one wants to see you screwing on the side of the street so don't do it and don't freaking tell me about it unless I ask.
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Im neuatral really, I mean I don't believe in parties I believe in ideas. I mostly have liberal ideas, homosexuals should be allowed to marry, religion should be out of government, I really care about the environment and I am anti-war. Saying this I think dragon here should run for president and btw I am a catholic.
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Actually, gay bashing pisses me off too. However, there is a huge difference between thinking being gay is a sin and thinking "omg i h8 gaes al u gay guyz go 2 h3l!!!11 burng fagz!11" I mean then the person is just being retarded and I hate stupidity. I personally don't care what two adult, consenting people do in the bedroom as long as they don't make it public knowledge. This goes for both gays and straights. No one wants to see you screwing on the side of the street so don't do it and don't freaking tell me about it unless I ask.
Yes! I couldn't agree more! I don't agree with pride parades, because to me it seems the gay community is try to forcefeed their culture to everyone and I can see why some people might be POed about it. I personally believe it should be limited to hand holding, because their are children in public for god's sake, nobody should be frotting all over anybody like that.
Im neuatral really, I mean I don't believe in parties I believe in ideas. I mostly have liberal ideas, homosexuals should be allowed to marry, religion should be out of government, I really care about the environment and I am anti-war. Saying this I think dragon here should run for president and btw I am a catholic.
Me? For president? Hah! I would never run for president, too much responsibility. But I appreciate the compliment :blink:
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Yea...
I don't want my kids to see people making out in public.
I don't care if they are Straight, Gay, Bi, or Fat.
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Yea...
I don't want my kids to see people making out in public.
I don't care if they are Straight, Gay, Bi, or Fat.
Best scenario: Two obese hairy people about to get it on in the Wal-Mart parking lot.
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Anyways, I am not trying to come off as disrespectful to Christians but sometimes they really irk me, especially the ones who think it is ok to bash gays, just because the bible says it is an abomination. God wants his followers to not hold contempt or bear grudges against anyone.
Like you've said, God wants his followers not to hate or condemn anyone...The real Christians in this world follow this. To the others that ignore God's word, "Christian" is just a empty label that they slap on themselves. If someone claims to be Christian, then they better walk the walk and not just talk the talk. There is no room in the life of a Christian for pride...Building yourself up and tearing others down is not the way of our faith. There are too many that misrepresent Christianity by doing just that. Having your faith hated by people who can make no differentiation between hateful fools and real servants of Christ is somethin that actual followers just gotta deal with...It sucks but oh well. I jus wish more people would take the time to see the difference.
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Anyways, I am not trying to come off as disrespectful to Christians but sometimes they really irk me, especially the ones who think it is ok to bash gays, just because the bible says it is an abomination. God wants his followers to not hold contempt or bear grudges against anyone.
Like you've said, God wants his followers not to hate or condemn anyone...The real Christians in this world follow this. To the others that ignore God's word, "Christian" is just a empty label that they slap on themselves. If someone claims to be Christian, then they better walk the walk and not just talk the talk. There is no room in the life of a Christian for pride...Building yourself up and tearing others down is not the way of our faith. There are too many that misrepresent Christianity by doing just that. Having your faith hated by people who can make no differentiation between hateful fools and real servants of Christ is somethin that actual followers just gotta deal with...It sucks but oh well. I jus wish more people would take the time to see the difference.
Lil Loco,u are so wise.But that is exactly why I spread my faith.I try as best as I possibly can to live my life in Jesus' word.And like I've said before,you want to be gay,go for it right on.But why dose being gay need an official label?And yeah sry bout those other posts Liz Ill go back and edit them.
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Lil Loco,u are so wise.But that is exactly why I spread my faith.I try as best as I possibly can to live my life in Jesus' word.And like I've said before,you want to be gay,go for it right on.But why dose being gay need an official label?And yeah sry bout those other posts Liz Ill go back and edit them.
Why does being straight need a label then? It isn't about labels, it's about receiving pension, social security benefits, hospital visitation, and disability. It goes so far and above simply having the title. It's about rightfully receiving the same government assistance that heterosexual people get.
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Not that I really understand where Joey is going with the name-title thing but...You don't receive pension, social security benefits, hospital visitation, and disability?
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Not that I really understand where Joey is going with the name-title thing but...You don't receive pension, social security benefits, hospital visitation, and disability?
Remember the other topic where I told you the difference between a marriage and a civil union?
Well, a heterosexual married couple would get hospital visitation if their spouse was severely ill. Civil unions don't have that benefit. Basically if my boyfriend got hurt badly or was dying the hospital could basically tell me to go screw myself.
Social Security and Veteran Death Benefits:
Marriage: Married people receive Social Security and veteran benefit payments upon the death of a spouse.
Civil Unions: NONE
Immigration Benefits:
Marriage: US citizens and legal permanent residents can sponsor their spouse and other family members for immigration.
Civil Unions: NONE
Portability of rights:
Marriage: Automatically recognized in all 50 states.
Civion Unions: Rognition not guaranteed outside the state that grants it.
Medical decisions/ Emergencies:
Marriage: A spouse or family member may make decisions for an incompetent or disabled person unless contrary written instructions exist, and can generally visit their partner in the hospital.
Civil Union: Partner's right to visitation and medical decision-making may not be recognized out of state.
It is simply not about wanting the title of marriage, although it is nice... it is about getting the government assistance we so rightly deserve... and 2,000 years of Christian law is getting in the way of that. It's one thing to think homosexuality is a sin, but it is another thing to deny someone basic human rights because of that factor. And think about all the gay/lesbian couple with children through adoption or previous relationships. We don't get any help with our children, when actually in fact there are people who want to rip them away, because of an obscure leviticus passage, or because they are disgusted with it and don't believe we deserve happiness.
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Lol we've already had this discussion before and I dont feel like going through it again...You know where I'm at on this.
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And I am trying to make you understand that gay couples and hetero couples deserve the SAME BENEFITS OF MARRIAGE. It is UNFAIR. I don't care what you say, all you have is religious convictions to be against gay marriage. No logical reasoning. It's about human rights for crying out loud! Not some obscure Leviticus verses! We need financial aid, we need government benefits, we need a FAMILY HEALTHCARE PLAN not some close minded religious fanatics denying us those rights because of THEIR convictions! Why don't these Christians care about us? About our happiness? Why don't you just ban everything that bible of yours says is bad? Why stop with gay marriage? Be consistant!
Edit: I am sorry to come off harsh Jeremy, but this issue really gets to me.
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I'm not stupid Ty, I know what you're trying to say. And i think they deserve the same benefits too, but I feel that there should be a way outside of marriage to achieve that. Christians aren't out to get you, they care about not having something sacred defiled by something that is against their faith. You expect Christians not to go against something that directly relates to a set religious institution of theirs? On a personal note, I don't believe that marriage should have ties to money in this country, period...It is an oath of love and committment and should be just that. If someone wants financial benefits from being with a partner, fine...But marriage shouldn't be about money or legal benefits. That's how I feel.
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Im agreeing with dragon with everything hes sayin but also agree with lil loco about how marriage should not bring advantages but it does so homosexuals cant get those advantages just because of the bible and isnt religion supposed to not be in the government.
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isnt religion supposed to not be in the government.
thats what we are arguing over.
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I'm not stupid Ty, I know what you're trying to say. And i think they deserve the same benefits too, but I feel that there should be a way outside of marriage to achieve that. Christians aren't out to get you, they care about not having something sacred defiled by something that is against their faith. You expect Christians not to go against something that directly relates to a set religious institution of theirs? On a personal note, I don't believe that marriage should have ties to money in this country, period...It is an oath of love and committment and should be just that. If someone wants financial benefits from being with a partner, fine...But marriage shouldn't be about money or legal benefits. That's how I feel.
Define marriage. If a gay couple receives the same benefits without marriage as a hetero couple does in marriage, are they different? What's in a name?
And you are saying that Christians care about "not having something sacred defiled by something that is against their faith". C'mon! Can't we all make some sacrifices here? Gay couples are forbidden to marry, and you act as though allowing gay marriage would completely destroy hetero marriage.
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Define marriage: The joining of a man and woman before God as one.
Shocking answer for me huh? Look if you don't like where I stand, sorry...But I've agrued this debate too many times with people who've brought it up and I'm tired of arguing it. If you or anyone else have differing opinions, that's great for you...I'm not gonna go on and on, thinking that I'm gonna change you views because it's really unlikely that I will. And you should realize that you're not gonna change my views either...I'm not gonna compromise my beliefs just to appease someone. I respect other peoples' opinions and I just ask that they respect mine...Of course, I doubt you respect mine but oh well.
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I'm not stupid Ty, I know what you're trying to say. And i think they deserve the same benefits too, but I feel that there should be a way outside of marriage to achieve that. Christians aren't out to get you, they care about not having something sacred defiled by something that is against their faith. You expect Christians not to go against something that directly relates to a set religious institution of theirs? On a personal note, I don't believe that marriage should have ties to money in this country, period...It is an oath of love and committment and should be just that. If someone wants financial benefits from being with a partner, fine...But marriage shouldn't be about money or legal benefits. That's how I feel.
How would a gay marriage affect Christians at all? How does me marrying another man destroy a straight marriage? Answer me that one. How does gay marriage damage you at all? And it WOULDN'T be such a big deal if marriage didn't have money and government benefits connected to it, but it does so that is why I am fighting for marriage equality for the most part.
Im agreeing with dragon with everything hes sayin but also agree with lil loco about how marriage should not bring advantages but it does so homosexuals cant get those advantages just because of the bible and isnt religion supposed to not be in the government.
That is the problem, Christians claimed marriage as a Christian institution. The definition of marriage reflects the Christian definition. With seperation of church and state that would no longer be a problem. Marriage would not be religious anymore, and take a look and the state of Massachusetts... the ONLY US state that currently allows gay marriage. They have the LOWEST divorce rates in the country, compared to conservative states like Texas and Virginia which have skyrocketing divorce rates. If Christians could just look beyond gender they would realize gay marriage does not harm them at all.
Define marriage. If a gay couple receives the same benefits without marriage as a hetero couple does in marriage, are they different? What's in a name?
And you are saying that Christians care about "not having something sacred defiled by something that is against their faith". C'mon! Can't we all make some sacrifices here? Gay couples are forbidden to marry, and you act as though allowing gay marriage would completely destroy hetero marriage.
I am still waiting for a logical reason why gay marriage should be illegal but all people can come up with is "The bible says it is wrong" or "Eww gross nasty" no logical, factual, reasons... just narrow minded beliefs.
Define marriage: The joining of a man and woman before God as one.
Shocking answer for me huh? Look if you don't like where I stand, sorry...But I've agrued this debate too many times with people who've brought it up and I'm tired of arguing it. If you or anyone else have differing opinions, that's great for you...I'm not gonna go on and on, thinking that I'm gonna change you views because it's really unlikely that I will. And you should realize that you're not gonna change my views either...I'm not gonna compromise my beliefs just to appease someone. I respect other peoples' opinions and I just ask that they respect mine...Of course, I doubt you respect mine but oh well.
I can respect your beliefs, but that doesn't mean I gotta like them or agree with them. I am not out to change your opinions, but hopefully give you a few things to think about. But the difference between my opinion and yours is mine is backed up with facts and logic whereas yours is just religious heresay, and conviction.
But as far as I am concerned marriage hopefully will no longer be a Christian owned right in the future...
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Like I said, I don't believe that it should hold monetary/legal benefits, even for straight people. It should purely be a divine joining of man and woman out of love and nothing more. You want your separation of church and state, fine...Christians, Jews, etc would keep their institution and there would be no governmental benefits involved. There...Economic and social equality for you. That's what I would like to see...And that's what would solve this whole little deal of benefits for some and not others.
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Ok, now you at least see where I am coming from... benefits for all or for none. How it should be IMO.