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Off Topic => Everything Else => Debate Den => Topic started by: Dragon Of Grief on March 28, 2007, 10:42:36 pm
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v688/paranoiaxtreme/marriage.jpg)
I thought it was funny <_<
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lawl, haha i love it. :]
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lawl, haha i love it. :]
Ditto. ^_^
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Bleh.
I believe Gay Marriage is wrong.
But.
Marriage is so twisted out of God's idea now.
So, why do they even bother not letting it.. =\
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Bleh.
I believe Gay Marriage is wrong.
But.
Marriage is so twisted out of God's idea now.
So, why do they even bother not letting it.. =\
What is God's idea, Oh Revealer?
Marriage is so twisted out of the idea of Christian leaders.
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ha that is so funny and true.
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I think either everyone should be allowed to marry or nobody should be allowed to marry.
Anyways, my God thinks everyone deserves equality. The Christian God can kiss my *BLEEP*
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Bleh.
I believe Gay Marriage is wrong.
But.
Marriage is so twisted out of God's idea now.
So, why do they even bother not letting it.. =\
What is God's idea, Oh Revealer?
Marriage is so twisted out of the idea of Christian leaders.
His Idea is for a Man and Woman who *love* each other the brought together in the Eyes of God.
But, A lot of Marriages have nothing to do with Love now a days...
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Bleh.
I believe Gay Marriage is wrong.
But.
Marriage is so twisted out of God's idea now.
So, why do they even bother not letting it.. =\
so when did you decide you were straight?
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Bleh.
I believe Gay Marriage is wrong.
But.
Marriage is so twisted out of God's idea now.
So, why do they even bother not letting it.. =\
aren't you bi though?
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Bleh.
I believe Gay Marriage is wrong.
But.
Marriage is so twisted out of God's idea now.
So, why do they even bother not letting it.. =\
aren't you bi though?
Yeah... that's what I thought too.
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WTF..
No. I am not..
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Sorry, but until you give a valid reason against gay marriage other then your fantasy book then I can't respect your opinion, Danny.
Nothing personal against you. I am just sick of people denying us our GIVEN RIGHT to marry whom we choose.
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That pic is sick.
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Sorry, but until you give a valid reason against gay marriage other then your fantasy book then I can't respect your opinion, Danny.
Nothing personal against you. I am just sick of people denying us our GIVEN RIGHT to marry whom we choose.
Calling it a "fantasy book" and constantly attacking it is hardly showing respect.
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Sorry, but until you give a valid reason against gay marriage other then your fantasy book then I can't respect your opinion, Danny.
Nothing personal against you. I am just sick of people denying us our GIVEN RIGHT to marry whom we choose.
Calling it a "fantasy book" and constantly attacking it is hardly showing respect.
I get sick and tired of the religious right nuts worrying more about gay marriage being legalized yet they will sit right back and watch their government murder thousands of innocent people. Look at it from my point of view maybe?
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i follow the christian bible very.. well not very.. but pretty well. but i agree with you 100%.
even though it does state marriage should only be between a man and a woman,
that was 49572934729347239472394 years ago. this is now.
i'm weird.
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Whoa. This was supposed to be a topic about humor, not religious debate, wasn't it? Forgive me o mighty admins of the above, but if you're going to start a whole war out of this, either someone move this topic, lock it altogether, or take the fighting somewhere else. FFS, we get enough of that stuff in the debate den, don't feed the fire and spread it all over the place.
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It was meant as a joke but it turned into debate... anyways, this is wasteland. As long as there is no flaming anythinf goes.
And perhaps calling it a fantasy book is harsh, but I just get made at over religious people sometimes. I apologize.
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I was just trying to prevent it from BECOMING a flame war. Not to challenge your maturity or anything...
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gw....i was just about to move to debate den....but now I won't.
I'm all for gay marriage :D
I'm still on the fence when it comes to gay couples adopting kids tho :/
There isn't anything wrong with it....I just don't think I'm ready for that.
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i like gay people and i like gay marriage
i like gay adoption and i like gay love
i also like gay oatmeal, and gay ramen noodles
but especially i likes the gay soap.
soap. :]
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Gay ramen noodles? Sounds interesting...
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yes, its called "flaming spicy porkk chicken beef"
:]
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gw....i was just about to move to debate den....but now I won't.
I'm all for gay marriage :D
I'm still on the fence when it comes to gay couples adopting kids tho :/
There isn't anything wrong with it....I just don't think I'm ready for that.
But why? I had this debate with you before and I thought you understood me :/
Anyways, gays are allowed to adopt children almsot anywhere in the US... so yeah.
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I think either everyone should be allowed to marry or nobody should be allowed to marry.
Anyways, my God thinks everyone deserves equality. The Christian God can kiss my *BLEEP*
You're god rocks. I don't have a god in my religion. XD
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gw....i was just about to move to debate den....but now I won't.
I'm all for gay marriage :D
I'm still on the fence when it comes to gay couples adopting kids tho :/
There isn't anything wrong with it....I just don't think I'm ready for that.
But why? I had this debate with you before and I thought you understood me :/
Anyways, gays are allowed to adopt children almsot anywhere in the US... so yeah.
I understand your way of live and/or point of view. I still think that it might tramautize some kids with the endless making-fun-of and other nasty things kids do to each other at that delicate age.
I do understand that kids need adopted tho...so I am at a quandry in my feelings and beliefs...
hmmm
I must meditate on this.
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gw....i was just about to move to debate den....but now I won't.
I'm all for gay marriage :D
I'm still on the fence when it comes to gay couples adopting kids tho :/
There isn't anything wrong with it....I just don't think I'm ready for that.
But why? I had this debate with you before and I thought you understood me :/
Anyways, gays are allowed to adopt children almsot anywhere in the US... so yeah.
I understand your way of live and/or point of view. I still think that it might tramautize some kids with the endless making-fun-of and other nasty things kids do to each other at that delicate age.
I never thought about that... O_o
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gw....i was just about to move to debate den....but now I won't.
I'm all for gay marriage :D
I'm still on the fence when it comes to gay couples adopting kids tho :/
There isn't anything wrong with it....I just don't think I'm ready for that.
But why? I had this debate with you before and I thought you understood me :/
Anyways, gays are allowed to adopt children almsot anywhere in the US... so yeah.
I understand your way of live and/or point of view. I still think that it might tramautize some kids with the endless making-fun-of and other nasty things kids do to each other at that delicate age.
I do understand that kids need adopted tho...so I am at a quandry in my feelings and beliefs...
hmmm
I must meditate on this.
Even if it does happen, all it will do is help the kid become stronger and more tolerant in the future.
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Bleh.
I believe Gay Marriage is wrong.
But.
Marriage is so twisted out of God's idea now.
So, why do they even bother not letting it.. =\
What is God's idea, Oh Revealer?
Marriage is so twisted out of the idea of Christian leaders.
His Idea is for a Man and Woman who *love* each other the brought together in the Eyes of God.
But, A lot of Marriages have nothing to do with Love now a days...
How do YOU know what God wants?!
"The religious persecution of the ages has been done under what was claimed to be the command of God. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do to their fellows, because it always coincides with their own desires."
- Susan B. Anthony
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moved to debate den. now go and debate.
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Bleh.
I believe Gay Marriage is wrong.
But.
Marriage is so twisted out of God's idea now.
So, why do they even bother not letting it.. =\
What is God's idea, Oh Revealer?
Marriage is so twisted out of the idea of Christian leaders.
His Idea is for a Man and Woman who *love* each other the brought together in the Eyes of God.
But, A lot of Marriages have nothing to do with Love now a days...
How do YOU know what God wants?!
"The religious persecution of the ages has been done under what was claimed to be the command of God. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do to their fellows, because it always coincides with their own desires."
- Susan B. Anthony
Their own desires? I don't hate gays, nor do I have any desire to deny them anything they shouldn't otherwise be allowed to do. But it's stated in His word that homosexuality is wrong. Romans, I Corinthians, and the well-known passage of Leviticus attest to this. So God declares homosexuality wrong, but is fine with it being permitted through sacred institution? That makes loads of sense.
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Their own desires? I don't hate gays, nor do I have any desire to deny them anything they shouldn't otherwise be allowed to do. But it's stated in His word that homosexuality is wrong. Romans, I Corinthians, and the well-known passage of Leviticus attest to this. So God declares homosexuality wrong, but is fine with it being permitted through sacred institution? That makes loads of sense.
It also makes laods of sense to deny basic human rights to people because of that bible right? I want the RIGHT my LEGAL RIGHT to marry my boyfriend without YOUR God getting in the way of that. Marriage has nothing to do with God. Get it through your head. I don't deserve to be governed by a bible I don't believe in.
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Wasn't marriage like, 'created' for the christian religon, though?
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Wasn't marriage like, 'created' for the christian religon, though?
Perhaps at first, until the government decided to tie benefits to marriage, such as hospital visitation, and pension. Now it is like saying
"Oh, well, you can't visit your partner in the hospital if they are dying because you are gay."
Or,
"No pension for you because you are gay"
Or even
"You have no right to marry because my God says it is bad"
It is not just denying gays the right to marry it denies gay couples financial assistance that they desperatly need to raise children and pay bills.
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Wasn't marriage like, 'created' for the christian religon, though?
Perhaps at first, until the government decided to tie benefits to marriage, such as hospital visitation, and pension. Now it is like saying
"Oh, well, you can't visit your partner in the hospital if they are dying because you are gay."
Or,
"No pension for you because you are gay"
Or even
"You have no right to marry because my God says it is bad"
It is not just denying gays the right to marry it denies gay couples financial assistance that they desperatly need to raise children and pay bills.
but you also have to remember that the government is apart of america, america which is based on christianity.
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Their own desires? I don't hate gays, nor do I have any desire to deny them anything they shouldn't otherwise be allowed to do. But it's stated in His word that homosexuality is wrong. Romans, I Corinthians, and the well-known passage of Leviticus attest to this. So God declares homosexuality wrong, but is fine with it being permitted through sacred institution? That makes loads of sense.
It also makes laods of sense to deny basic human rights to people because of that bible right? I want the RIGHT my LEGAL RIGHT to marry my boyfriend without YOUR God getting in the way of that. Marriage has nothing to do with God. Get it through your head. I don't deserve to be governed by a bible I don't believe in.
Get it through your head that it does, otherwise there would be no contraversy on our part. And yes the government is the reason that marriage has financial ties, ties it shouldn't have. Ties that cause people to marry and want to marry for the wrong reasons. Anyone who marries soley for legal/financial reasons is just as much in the wrong as homosexual marriage.
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I don't see any problems with same-sex marriages. It's not like anyone is UNHAPPY about the marriage.
I mean, look at some states in the USA and some other countries...where they have SHOTGUN WEDDINGS. You think THAT'S right too!?
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I don't see any problems with same-sex marriages. It's not like anyone is UNHAPPY about the marriage.
I mean, look at some states in the USA and some other countries...where they have SHOTGUN WEDDINGS. You think THAT'S right too!?
i totally see where you are coming from. i do believe people should be allowed to marry whomever they want. and i do think that america is going overboard. but it's just the opinion of the majority of the public, you know? its a democracy. and if we've decided to ban the same sex marriage, then we have. perhaps in the future america will come into realization that not everyone is the same. no one cares for anyones happiness anymore. its not like same sex couples are killing anyone or anything. but i guess thats just how we look at it, if we see we can take control of something, we will.
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but you also have to remember that the government is apart of america, america which is based on christianity.
Something that really needs to change. Society needs de-christianized.
Get it through your head that it does, otherwise there would be no contraversy on our part. And yes the government is the reason that marriage has financial ties, ties it shouldn't have. Ties that cause people to marry and want to marry for the wrong reasons. Anyone who marries soley for legal/financial reasons is just as much in the wrong as homosexual marriage.
Homosexual marriage is NEVER WRONG.
I don't see any problems with same-sex marriages. It's not like anyone is UNHAPPY about the marriage.
I mean, look at some states in the USA and some other countries...where they have SHOTGUN WEDDINGS. You think THAT'S right too!?
Oh, but they're straight so it's ok. See, you gotta look at it from a conservatives point of view. It's ok to take over nations, commit genocide against innocent people, and launch petty and pointless wars... but gay marriage is EVIL and BAD
Apparently "Thou shall not kill" doesn't apply to the bible anymore.
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but you also have to remember that the government is apart of america, america which is based on christianity.
Something that really needs to change. Society needs de-christianized.
Get it through your head that it does, otherwise there would be no contraversy on our part. And yes the government is the reason that marriage has financial ties, ties it shouldn't have. Ties that cause people to marry and want to marry for the wrong reasons. Anyone who marries soley for legal/financial reasons is just as much in the wrong as homosexual marriage.
Homosexual marriage is NEVER WRONG.
I don't see any problems with same-sex marriages. It's not like anyone is UNHAPPY about the marriage.
I mean, look at some states in the USA and some other countries...where they have SHOTGUN WEDDINGS. You think THAT'S right too!?
Oh, but they're straight so it's ok. See, you gotta look at it from a conservatives point of view. It's ok to take over nations, commit genocide against innocent people, and launch petty and pointless wars... but gay marriage is EVIL and BAD
Apparently "Thou shall not kill" doesn't apply to the bible anymore.
That 'book' is not even worth mentioning, saying the name alone makes me angry now. Religion causes so much unnessacary pain and suffering.
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I don't see any problems with same-sex marriages. It's not like anyone is UNHAPPY about the marriage.
I mean, look at some states in the USA and some other countries...where they have SHOTGUN WEDDINGS. You think THAT'S right too!?
Oh, but they're straight so it's ok. See, you gotta look at it from a conservatives point of view. It's ok to take over nations, commit genocide against innocent people, and launch petty and pointless wars... but gay marriage is EVIL and BAD
Apparently "Thou shall not kill" doesn't apply to the bible anymore.
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OH, AMERICA, WOULD YOU LIKE SOME ICE FOR THAT BURN?
seriously though. good point.
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Marriage has been around A LOT longer then Christianity has been... I rest my case.
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I guess my solution would be for some religions to allow gay marriage and have it recognized throughout the US. Churches that don't wanna recognize it don't have to.
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I guess my solution would be for some religions to allow gay marriage and have it recognized throughout the US. Churches that don't wanna recognize it don't have to.
I could agree to that.
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Bleh.
I believe Gay Marriage is wrong.
But.
Marriage is so twisted out of God's idea now.
So, why do they even bother not letting it.. =\
What is God's idea, Oh Revealer?
Marriage is so twisted out of the idea of Christian leaders.
His Idea is for a Man and Woman who *love* each other the brought together in the Eyes of God.
But, A lot of Marriages have nothing to do with Love now a days...
How do YOU know what God wants?!
"The religious persecution of the ages has been done under what was claimed to be the command of God. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do to their fellows, because it always coincides with their own desires."
- Susan B. Anthony
Their own desires? I don't hate gays, nor do I have any desire to deny them anything they shouldn't otherwise be allowed to do. But it's stated in His word that homosexuality is wrong. Romans, I Corinthians, and the well-known passage of Leviticus attest to this. So God declares homosexuality wrong, but is fine with it being permitted through sacred institution? That makes loads of sense.
How do you know the Bible is truly God's revealed word?
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Bleh.
I believe Gay Marriage is wrong.
But.
Marriage is so twisted out of God's idea now.
So, why do they even bother not letting it.. =\
What is God's idea, Oh Revealer?
Marriage is so twisted out of the idea of Christian leaders.
His Idea is for a Man and Woman who *love* each other the brought together in the Eyes of God.
But, A lot of Marriages have nothing to do with Love now a days...
How do YOU know what God wants?!
"The religious persecution of the ages has been done under what was claimed to be the command of God. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do to their fellows, because it always coincides with their own desires."
- Susan B. Anthony
Their own desires? I don't hate gays, nor do I have any desire to deny them anything they shouldn't otherwise be allowed to do. But it's stated in His word that homosexuality is wrong. Romans, I Corinthians, and the well-known passage of Leviticus attest to this. So God declares homosexuality wrong, but is fine with it being permitted through sacred institution? That makes loads of sense.
How do you know the Bible is truly God's revealed word?
no one can actually "know" but we have to trust.
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I believe the Bible is generally true, but because it was written and edited by numerous people, it obviously is fallible.
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Bleh.
I believe Gay Marriage is wrong.
But.
Marriage is so twisted out of God's idea now.
So, why do they even bother not letting it.. =\
What is God's idea, Oh Revealer?
Marriage is so twisted out of the idea of Christian leaders.
His Idea is for a Man and Woman who *love* each other the brought together in the Eyes of God.
But, A lot of Marriages have nothing to do with Love now a days...
How do YOU know what God wants?!
"The religious persecution of the ages has been done under what was claimed to be the command of God. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do to their fellows, because it always coincides with their own desires."
- Susan B. Anthony
Their own desires? I don't hate gays, nor do I have any desire to deny them anything they shouldn't otherwise be allowed to do. But it's stated in His word that homosexuality is wrong. Romans, I Corinthians, and the well-known passage of Leviticus attest to this. So God declares homosexuality wrong, but is fine with it being permitted through sacred institution? That makes loads of sense.
How do you know the Bible is truly God's revealed word?
It's never lead me in the wrong direction and I know and believe with my life and soul that it is. If I didn't believe it was, I would have no basis for my faith. I hold no doubts about it.
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Someone I went to camp with once said, "The Bible mentions homosexuality about four times. It mentions doing unto others as you would do unto yourself about every fourth verse. Where's the priority?"
So, I suppose Jesus' greatest commandment doesn't apply to everybody. And I suppose "... all men are created equal... " is the same way.
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All men are created equal. And I do treat other as I would have them do unto me. He also said, "Love the sinner, hate the sin." I care for people, gay or straight, it makes no difference to me. I don't care for sin of any type intermixing in marriage, and I'm not just talking about homosexuality...Straight people delving in any kind of sexual-immorality, those seeking personal gain through marriage, and any other person marrying for reasons other than love are no different and shouldn't marry either. That is my belief.
Oh and here's a thought, seeing as you obviously believe in separation of church and state. Instead of whining and throwing a hissy fit about gays not being able to marry, you instead push for your separation of church and state, and in doing so the governmental benefits of marriage are nullified and marriage becomes what it's supposed to be...A holy bonding of a man and woman together before God and nothing more. Those that don't want God to be apart of their joining can be joined through civil union or the like. Money and government should have no place in marriage.
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Soory if this angers you but I don't support gay marriage.
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Thanks for adding to the debate.
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Soory if this angers you but I don't support gay marriage.
Back up your opinion, or kindly shut the heck up.
Anyways, your opinion doesn't mean squat to me so I could care less wether you support it or not.
It is different with Jeremy and Danny because they are intelligent people unlike you, and I respect them.
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I'm Intelligent?
:o
I already knew that..
But back on topic, saying your opinion then leaving without backing it up is not cool.
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All men are created equal. And I do treat other as I would have them do unto me. He also said, "Love the sinner, hate the sin." I care for people, gay or straight, it makes no difference to me. I don't care for sin of any type intermixing in marriage, and I'm not just talking about homosexuality...Straight people delving in any kind of sexual-immorality, those seeking personal gain through marriage, and any other person marrying for reasons other than love are no different and shouldn't marry either. That is my belief.
Oh and here's a thought, seeing as you obviously believe in separation of church and state. Instead of whining and throwing a hissy fit about gays not being able to marry, you instead push for your separation of church and state, and in doing so the governmental benefits of marriage are nullified and marriage becomes what it's supposed to be...A holy bonding of a man and woman together before God and nothing more. Those that don't want God to be apart of their joining can be joined through civil union or the like. Money and government should have no place in marriage.
So, you're saying I should stop protesting one issue to pick up another one, which would go against what I believe?
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essentially.
Can anyone summarize what has been said so far and pm it to me? I'd love to pick up into this, but you guys take too long to get your point across :P
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Read my last post and you'll essentially get what my whole point is in this. As for the other people, ask them.
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Jeremy- No gay marriages
Patback- Yes gay marriages
Scilla- Unsure???
Danny- No gay marriages
Me- Yes gay marriage
There, pretty much sums things up.
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Lol that's the simplistic version.
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It's like the saying goes, keep it simple, stupid :mellow:
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Jeremy- No gay marriages
Patback- Yes gay marriages
Scilla- Unsure???
Danny- No gay marriages
Me- Yes gay marriage
There, pretty much sums things up.
i'm yes, my religon, no
haha ??
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Jeremy- No gay marriages
Patback- Yes gay marriages
Scilla- Unsure???
Danny- No gay marriages
Me- Yes gay marriage
There, pretty much sums things up.
Me - Yes gay marriage, no on religion bashing.
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Gay marriages? Yes.
Religion bashing? Yes.
Why? Because I have the right to.
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Religion is man made... God didn't make religion.
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but god made us believe.
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God never made us believe anything... if that were true, Scilla, then everyone would be Christian and believe in God, but that is not the case.
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Gay marriages? Yes.
Religion bashing? Yes.
Why? Because I have the right to.
There is a fine line between bashing and debating.
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God never made us believe anything... if that were true, Scilla, then everyone would be Christian and believe in God, but that is not the case.
well god was the word of the bible, right? i mean, his words are what's written.
and its the bible that we believe in as a country.
so doesn't that mean god made us believe?
or am i off?
i dunno.
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God never made us believe anything... if that were true, Scilla, then everyone would be Christian and believe in God, but that is not the case.
well god was the word of the bible, right? i mean, his words are what's written.
and its the bible that we believe in as a country.
so doesn't that mean god made us believe?
or am i off?
i dunno.
Ok, think about this... if you were to go around the US and ask everyone what their religion is, and they all answer Christianity then you are right... in fact, someone here posted a religious graph, I couldn't find it though. Only like 32% of Americans or something are Christian. The rest are mainly Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, or non-religious.
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but i mean, what AMERICA is based on. and that is christianity.
but i have no clue where i'm going with this.
i sometimes think that our democracy is nothing but a democracy. and that religon should count nowhere in our country. obviously we do not follow the ten commandments as much as we are supposed to.
thou shall not kill - we murder/ we sentence people in prison to death (even if it is for the greater good)
thou shall not steal - don't we take money from the poor and such?
thou shall not take gods name in vain - "god dammit!" "jesus christ!" etc.
you shall not have any other gods before me - (your many religons in this country)
you shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. - AMERICAN IDOL haha, kidding, but i'm sure we often say "They are my idol.... i worship them ... etc etc" you know?
you must not commit adultery - *sigh*
thou shall not be envious of thy neighbor (or whatever) - dude, we are so trying to steal and stuff from other countries. hahaha.
i dont know.
most of that was crap.
and it wasn't all ten.
:/
but yeah.
get the point?
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but i mean, what AMERICA is based on. and that is christianity.
but i have no clue where i'm going with this.
i sometimes think that our democracy is nothing but a democracy. and that religon should count nowhere in our country. obviously we do not follow the ten commandments as much as we are supposed to.
thou shall not kill - we murder/ we sentence people in prison to death (even if it is for the greater good)
thou shall not steal - don't we take money from the poor and such?
thou shall not take gods name in vain - "god dammit!" "jesus christ!" etc.
you shall not have any other gods before me - (your many religons in this country)
you shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. - AMERICAN IDOL haha, kidding, but i'm sure we often say "They are my idol.... i worship them ... etc etc" you know?
you must not commit adultery - *sigh*
thou shall not be envious of thy neighbor (or whatever) - dude, we are so trying to steal and stuff from other countries. hahaha.
i dont know.
most of that was crap.
and it wasn't all ten.
:/
but yeah.
get the point?
That doesn't mean that you personally don't worship more than one god.
Besides, this country was not based on the Bible. It was based on a great idea on freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly and petition. To not be bound to what the state binds you to, and to be free to make choices and do almost whatever you want. Ten Commandments should not be placed in front of places of political importance(except if they are historically significant, but that's for antiquity's sake).
Most of the Founding Fathers were deists! So, you can't even say that our country was even close to being based on Christianity. It was based on humans. If only Jefferson and Paine were still around...
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but i mean, what AMERICA is based on. and that is christianity.
but i have no clue where i'm going with this.
i sometimes think that our democracy is nothing but a democracy. and that religon should count nowhere in our country. obviously we do not follow the ten commandments as much as we are supposed to.
thou shall not kill - we murder/ we sentence people in prison to death (even if it is for the greater good)
thou shall not steal - don't we take money from the poor and such?
thou shall not take gods name in vain - "god dammit!" "jesus christ!" etc.
you shall not have any other gods before me - (your many religons in this country)
you shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. - AMERICAN IDOL haha, kidding, but i'm sure we often say "They are my idol.... i worship them ... etc etc" you know?
you must not commit adultery - *sigh*
thou shall not be envious of thy neighbor (or whatever) - dude, we are so trying to steal and stuff from other countries. hahaha.
i dont know.
most of that was crap.
and it wasn't all ten.
:/
but yeah.
get the point?
That doesn't mean that you personally don't worship more than one god.
Besides, this country was not based on the Bible. It was based on a great idea on freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly and petition. To not be bound to what the state binds you to, and to be free to make choices and do almost whatever you want. Ten Commandments should not be placed in front of places of political importance(except if they are historically significant, but that's for antiquity's sake).
Most of the Founding Fathers were deists! So, you can't even say that our country was even close to being based on Christianity. It was based on humans. If only Jefferson and Paine were still around...
if our country was NOT based on Christianity, how can they decide to ban gay marriage, because of their own opinions?
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Ok, here is a fun fact. Even if the majority of Religious America isn't christian, 90% of religions are against homosexuality.
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but i mean, what AMERICA is based on. and that is christianity.
but i have no clue where i'm going with this.
i sometimes think that our democracy is nothing but a democracy. and that religon should count nowhere in our country. obviously we do not follow the ten commandments as much as we are supposed to.
thou shall not kill - we murder/ we sentence people in prison to death (even if it is for the greater good)
thou shall not steal - don't we take money from the poor and such?
thou shall not take gods name in vain - "god dammit!" "jesus christ!" etc.
you shall not have any other gods before me - (your many religons in this country)
you shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. - AMERICAN IDOL haha, kidding, but i'm sure we often say "They are my idol.... i worship them ... etc etc" you know?
you must not commit adultery - *sigh*
thou shall not be envious of thy neighbor (or whatever) - dude, we are so trying to steal and stuff from other countries. hahaha.
i dont know.
most of that was crap.
and it wasn't all ten.
:/
but yeah.
get the point?
That doesn't mean that you personally don't worship more than one god.
Besides, this country was not based on the Bible. It was based on a great idea on freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly and petition. To not be bound to what the state binds you to, and to be free to make choices and do almost whatever you want. Ten Commandments should not be placed in front of places of political importance(except if they are historically significant, but that's for antiquity's sake).
Most of the Founding Fathers were deists! So, you can't even say that our country was even close to being based on Christianity. It was based on humans. If only Jefferson and Paine were still around...
if our country was NOT based on Christianity, how can they decide to ban gay marriage, because of their own opinions?
Our country was not based on Christianity, it was the religious right that decided it was "better off" with Christian ideas. Which is totally ridiculous, as our country clearly set out to keep away from a state religion.
Ok, here is a fun fact. Even if the majority of Religious America isn't christian, 90% of religions are against homosexuality.
An even more fun fact: humans aren't the only species born gay. Rams have the highest percentage, I think. The defense against homosexuality is that it was a choice. Well, rams don't have the capacity to make choices, right? So... where's the logic there?
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The whole idea of COMING to America was based off of religious freedom, so they didn't have to be forced to live in a society where religion ruled... our forefathers would turn over in their graves to see America being run by Christianity... no one religion should rule anything. Seperation of church and state is essential at this point and can't be avoided anymore.
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The whole idea of COMING to America was based off of religious freedom, so they didn't have to be forced to live in a society where religion ruled... our forefathers would turn over in their graves to see America being run by Christianity... no one religion should rule anything. Seperation of church and state is essential at this point and can't be avoided anymore.
Church does not run my life. God does.
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The whole idea of COMING to America was based off of religious freedom, so they didn't have to be forced to live in a society where religion ruled... our forefathers would turn over in their graves to see America being run by Christianity... no one religion should rule anything. Seperation of church and state is essential at this point and can't be avoided anymore.
Church does not run my life. God does.
Yezzir.
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LAME
is there a way how i can keep MY thoughts, MY religon, and MY freedom?
adfjadkfjdsk blegh!
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...Wha?
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i mean, how can i say my thoughts, without disagreeing with my religion and/or my country?
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If you believe in gay-marriage, you are disagreeing with your faith...That's pretty straight-forward. But being for or against gay-marriage doesn't make you for or against your country.
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If you believe in gay-marriage, you are disagreeing with your faith...That's pretty straight-forward. But being for or against gay-marriage doesn't make you for or against your country.
Nobody ever said you had to agree with everything in the bible. Heck in the old testemant eating shrimp and pork is a sin. Just because you believe in gay marriage doesn't mean you are against your own religion. It says sex outside of marriage is a sin but I am sure not all people are against that, but does that eman they are against their own religion?
i mean, how can i say my thoughts, without disagreeing with my religion and/or my country?
You don't have to be a bible nut to be religious. lol. Many people within Christianity have their own beliefs and thoughts, but just because they are different doesn't make them against their own religion.
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You don't have to be a bible nut to be religious. lol. Many people within Christianity have their own beliefs and thoughts, but just because they are different doesn't make them against their own religion.
it just seems wrong, no?
oh well.
i dont even know what i'm getting at.
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If you believe in gay-marriage, you are disagreeing with your faith...That's pretty straight-forward. But being for or against gay-marriage doesn't make you for or against your country.
Nobody ever said you had to agree with everything in the bible. Heck in the old testemant eating shrimp and pork is a sin. Just because you believe in gay marriage doesn't mean you are against your own religion. It says sex outside of marriage is a sin but I am sure not all people are against that, but does that eman they are against their own religion?
The pork thing was a Judaist practice followed before the time of Christ. Yeah, God commanded that if you burn with passion for someone, that you marry that person. And no, it doesn't mean that someone is against their faith if they do have sex outside of marriage, but that still doesn't change the fact that it's a sin.
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i guess the best part of this whole thing is that, god is a forgiving god.
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Eh, Religion is man-made. God did not create religion.
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God let humans glance upon Jesus, and religion was modeled after something modeled after God :P
So it's 1/4 perfect? :O
*runs away and eats cheese for saying stupid statements*
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God let humans glance upon Jesus, and religion was modeled after something modeled after God :P
So it's 1/4 perfect? :O
*runs away and eats cheese for saying stupid statements*
You're special.
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Gay marriages? Yes.
Religion bashing? Yes.
Why? Because I have the right to.
There is a fine line between bashing and debating.
I can't tell if I am bashing or debating. So I just said 'yes' anyway.
I don't know if this counts as bashing, but...
Just because religion has old-fasioned rules (such as saying no to gay marriages and homosexuality) doesn't mean they have to follow them. I mean, old rules in a MODERN society? Isn't it time they CHANGED them to suit the modern world?
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Gay marriages? Yes.
Religion bashing? Yes.
Why? Because I have the right to.
There is a fine line between bashing and debating.
I can't tell if I am bashing or debating. So I just said 'yes' anyway.
I don't know if this counts as bashing, but...
Just because religion has old-fasioned rules (such as saying no to gay marriages and homosexuality) doesn't mean they have to follow them. I mean, old rules in a MODERN society? Isn't it time they CHANGED them to suit the modern world?
ahhh perfectly worded.
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I think either everyone should be allowed to marry or nobody should be allowed to marry.
Anyways, my God thinks everyone deserves equality. The Christian God can kiss my *BLEEP*
Just because I am christian and belive in God does not mean I oppose Gay marriage, see my response in the gay marriage topic. All that is reallly steriotypes, you know.
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I think either everyone should be allowed to marry or nobody should be allowed to marry.
Anyways, my God thinks everyone deserves equality. The Christian God can kiss my *BLEEP*
Just because I am christian and belive in God does not mean I oppose Gay marriage, see my response in the gay marriage topic. All that is reallly steriotypes, you know.
Pretty well worded. I am Christian (sort of ish) and pro gay marriage and I know many who are. It's not like every religious person on the planet is a bible forcing physco. People constantly say Christian stereotype other people yet we are constantly stereotyped based off the small minority. Same goes for most religions.
And seeing as how religion is in this debate I want to rant. Some people are just downright ignorant. I was browsing a message board and some guy (i'd assume athiest by what is about to follow) had this sig:
[bah cant find it. will edit when i do but it kinda pissed me off. It showed how arrogant some people can be and that any person of any religion (athiesm IS a religion) can be ignorant or arrogant but doesn't mean that they are all.]
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I think either everyone should be allowed to marry or nobody should be allowed to marry.
Anyways, my God thinks everyone deserves equality. The Christian God can kiss my *BLEEP*
Just because I am christian and belive in God does not mean I oppose Gay marriage, see my response in the gay marriage topic. All that is reallly steriotypes, you know.
Pretty well worded. I am Christian (sort of ish) and pro gay marriage and I know many who are. It's not like every religious person on the planet is a bible forcing physco. People constantly say Christian stereotype other people yet we are constantly stereotyped based off the small minority. Same goes for most religions.
And seeing as how religion is in this debate I want to rant. Some people are just downright ignorant. I was browsing a message board and some guy (i'd assume athiest by what is about to follow) had this sig:
[bah cant find it. will edit when i do but it kinda pissed me off. It showed how arrogant some people can be and that any person of any religion (athiesm IS a religion) can be ignorant or arrogant but doesn't mean that they are all.]
I agree. It's just like saying all muslims want to murder everyone
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And seeing as how religion is in this debate I want to rant. Some people are just downright ignorant. I was browsing a message board and some guy (i'd assume athiest by what is about to follow) had this sig:
[bah cant find it. will edit when i do but it kinda pissed me off. It showed how arrogant some people can be and that any person of any religion (athiesm IS a religion) can be ignorant or arrogant but doesn't mean that they are all.]
Yup. Atheism is the religious practice of denouncing the existance of God.
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The ones truly without a religion are us Agnostics.
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The ones truly without a religion are us Agnostics.
I suppose. Agnostics believe in the possibility of a God, correct, they just aren't entirely convinced? Or am I off completely?
As for the sig thing. I'll just say what it was as I can't find it. It had a picture of a bomb and had the text "Athiests don't make car bombs."
That pissed me off. First off, when was the last time there was actual warfare between nations over religion, other than in the middle east? And even then, to what I have understood, Islam radicals are misinterpreting their bible, many people of Islam believe in peace. Think about it. It's like saying Buddhists go on mass killings. It's just a downright ignorant statement.
And on the gay marriage debate, I'll add this (referring to the point that the bible says it's 'bad'):
Yeah...masturbating is apparently "bad" too, but it's not illegal (in most states...) is it? Sex before marriage is "bad" according to the bible yet it isn't illegal. Worshiping a God other than the Christian one, according to the bible, is "bad" and yet we have freedom of religion. Lust is "bad" and yet Cinemax hasn't closed down (couldn't resist :p)
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Muslim sterotypes piss me off the most.
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Allah is the same as the Christian God, so I don't see what the argument there is about.
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And seeing as how religion is in this debate I want to rant. Some people are just downright ignorant. I was browsing a message board and some guy (i'd assume athiest by what is about to follow) had this sig:
[bah cant find it. will edit when i do but it kinda pissed me off. It showed how arrogant some people can be and that any person of any religion (athiesm IS a religion) can be ignorant or arrogant but doesn't mean that they are all.]
Yup. Atheism is the religious practice of denouncing the existance of God.
Religion is a set of beliefs that guide your life.
Atheism is the lack of belief in a higher diety.
You don't see a set beliefs for Atheism. However, you do see a set of beliefs guiding Christianity.
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Muslim sterotypes piss me off the most.
same for me and also Christian sterotypes. People freak out when they see a Muslim like "Oh My God please show some mercy and don't suicide bomb me."
Christians don't have to oppose gay marriage, don't always pray before every single meal, don't always try not to sin, etc.
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Muslim sterotypes piss me off the most.
Christians don't have to oppose gay marriage, don't always try not to sin, etc.
err... last time I checked they do...
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Muslim sterotypes piss me off the most.
Christians don't have to oppose gay marriage, don't always try not to sin, etc.
err... last time I checked they do...
She meant that not all Christians do not do those things, you know that Kevin, your .004 % smarter than that :p
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And seeing as how religion is in this debate I want to rant. Some people are just downright ignorant. I was browsing a message board and some guy (i'd assume athiest by what is about to follow) had this sig:
[bah cant find it. will edit when i do but it kinda pissed me off. It showed how arrogant some people can be and that any person of any religion (athiesm IS a religion) can be ignorant or arrogant but doesn't mean that they are all.]
Yup. Atheism is the religious practice of denouncing the existance of God.
Religion is a set of beliefs that guide your life.
Atheism is the lack of belief in a higher diety.
You don't see a set beliefs for Atheism. However, you do see a set of beliefs guiding Christianity.
Agnostics lack a set a beliefs. Denouncing God is a guiding practice of Atheists. A religious practice within itself.
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Atheism is based on not pronouncing God, not denouncing God.
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Muslim sterotypes piss me off the most.
Christians don't have to oppose gay marriage, don't always try not to sin, etc.
err... last time I checked they do...
She meant that not all Christians do not do those things, you know that Kevin, your .004 % smarter than that :p
but what I meant was that the good Christians do. :P
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Atheism is based on not pronouncing God, not denouncing God.
Atheism:
"the doctrine or belief that there is no God"
"belief that there is no God and that religion should be suppressed."
"a disbelief [or unbelief] in the existence of deity"
"the doctrine that there is no deity"
"one who actively asserts there is no God"
Agnosticism is based on not pronouncing God.
Atheism is based on denouncing God.
There are some atheists who are more passive and don't push it very far, but atheists who take it seriously very much follow the belief that the idea of God and theistic idealogy is foolish and should be stopped.
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Muslim sterotypes piss me off the most.
Christians don't have to oppose gay marriage, don't always try not to sin, etc.
err... last time I checked they do...
She meant that not all Christians do not do those things, you know that Kevin, your .004 % smarter than that :p
but what I meant was that the good Christians do. :P
So I'm not a good Christian?
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...Why wouldn't you try not to sin? Last time I checked, that's a pretty solid and principle goal of Christianity.
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That comic is the truth.
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Someone once told me it isn't about religion, it's about having a relationship with God.
But anyways... as far as God goes I don't know... there are some days I don't believe he exists and other days I think "Hey, maybe God does exist." and soforth. I am not an Atheist because I do think there could be a higher power out there. I just, bleh. Dunno. lol.
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Someone once told me it isn't about religion, it's about having a relationship with God.
That's exactly what it should be about.
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Someone once told me it isn't about religion, it's about having a relationship with God.
That's exactly what it should be about.
TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH.