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Off Topic => Everything Else => Debate Den => Topic started by: MiraclrPlz on July 05, 2007, 11:22:29 pm
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Now they're gonna ban transfats WHAT IS THIS! Like ppl dont know when they go into mickey d's they're killin themselves slowly oh boo-hoo cry me a river!! WELL I LIKE BEING FAT AND I LIKE SMOKING AN OCCASIONAL CIGARETTE!! They can't ban transfats where does it all stop?!! what are they gonna force people to exercise too? As for the smoking bans across the contry, i enjoy havin an o!ccasional cigarette. I only smoke 3 cigarettes a day that ain't enough to get addicted and i enjoy it it is a very enjoyable habit. What do i care if my life is unhealthy?!!! like life has been so good to me?!! my opinion, you got em, you smoke em! I'm a reasonable guy! I'm not gonna f :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: ' go up to a baby carriage and puff smoke in it's face! Enough with these stupid rules! The 1950s were a better time to be an American IN ALL ASPECTS!!! This is a free country! AND FREE MEANS FREE! TO THE POWERS THAT BE, LEAVE ME THE dolphin noise ALONE!!!
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What's the matter if they remove trans-fats? It's not like it's government mandated, a lot of the fast food places are doing it on their own. and really, you can't taste a difference.
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What's the matter if they remove trans-fats? It's not like it's government mandated, a lot of the fast food places are doing it on their own. and really, you can't taste a difference.
That's very true.
And getting rid of smoking in public places is better for other people. Second hand smoke can be just as bad, if not worse, then smoking the ciggeratte yourself.
You can't be selfish, and you need to worry about the well being of other people.
As for being a fat lard, that is your problem. If you want to be fat, and eat greasy disgusting crap, then cook it yourself. the resturaunt makes the menu, you order from it. If you don't like what they offer, then go make it yourself.
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i thought that who cares it they dont use transfats? cant they use regular fats? then i tried the french fries and they stunk. And i said there is no proof that second hand smoke is harmful. None whatsoever. They dont pass these smoking bans for fear of other people getting sick off 2nd hand smoke. they pass them to piss off smokers so smokers won't smoke. which is so stupid u know how much the gov. makes off a taxes from cigarettes?! And global warming ain't science, it's science freakin fiction! Al Gore that jerk goin to congress to get that global warming crap passed. The only thing that's gonna rise is my blood pressure when taxes go up to fight something i dont believe in!!!
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phooey on all this crap i dont like the gov. telling me what ta freakin do! what are they gonna do next ban kitchen knives? u can hurt yourself with that too. transfat ban oh phooey these turds should go die.
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i thought that who cares it they dont use transfats? cant they use regular fats? then i tried the french fries and they stunk. And i said there is no proof that second hand smoke is harmful. None whatsoever. They dont pass these smoking bans for fear of other people getting sick off 2nd hand smoke. they pass them to piss off smokers so smokers won't smoke. which is so stupid u know how much the gov. makes off a taxes from cigarettes?! And global warming ain't science, it's science freakin fiction! Al Gore that jerk goin to congress to get that global warming crap passed. The only thing that's gonna rise is my blood pressure when taxes go up to fight something i dont believe in!!!
...you're breathing in smoke. There's no way that CAN'T be bad for you.
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422
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I have no problem with either "ban." What is this transfats "ban?" I thought restaurants were offering somewhat healthier choices because it's the current trend and they would make more money that way. As far as smoking in public, whatever. Go smoke outside, you don't need to smoke at the dinner table.
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I'd rather not taste/smell smoke on my food or in my drink, thanks. I'm glad they had that smoking ban :)
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phooey on all this crap i dont like the gov. telling me what ta freakin do! what are they gonna do next ban kitchen knives? u can hurt yourself with that too. transfat ban oh phooey these turds should go die.
Yeah! And what's up with airline peanuts?
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i thought that who cares it they dont use transfats? cant they use regular fats? then i tried the french fries and they stunk. And i said there is no proof that second hand smoke is harmful. None whatsoever. They dont pass these smoking bans for fear of other people getting sick off 2nd hand smoke.they pass them to piss off smokers so smokers won't smoke. which is so stupid u know how much the gov. makes off a taxes from cigarettes?! And global warming ain't science, it's science freakin fiction! Al Gore that jerk goin to congress to get that global warming crap passed. The only thing that's gonna rise is my blood pressure when taxes go up to fight something i dont believe in!!!
Oh yea, that'sExactly what the government does
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uh yeh it is
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Go smoke outside, you don't need to smoke at the dinner table.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that way.
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You can't smoke in any building in Cali unless it's a casino or a hookah bar. :P
I enjoy the occasional cigar or whatever but you don't need to be burnin one when yur at a restaurant or somethin like that.
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Go smoke outside, you don't need to smoke at the dinner table.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that way.
If people are going to be smoking outside, they need to be sitting far enough away to where they are not by the door and the smoke comes inside when the waiters open the door.
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I only smoke 3 cigarettes a day that ain't enough to get addicted
That sounds like an addiction to me.
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Haha I could careless about the trans fats. I like my food not fatty but still tasty. It could be worse. They could abolish all junk food. As for the smoking thing, I don't mind them banning it in indoor establishments but if you want to stand outside and smoke a cigarette you should be allowed to. If they ban smoking all together, they would hurt the economy. A lot of money is generated from nicotine addict's incomes believe it or not and it also creates jobs. Ban smoking in restaurants and places like that but let the smokers have their bars and whatnot.
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Oh yeah, if you are going to bar get used to the smoke. A bar is a little different than a restaurant, it is not family oriented and much more optional. Smoking in bars is cool by me.
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i don t think there should be any laws telling us what to do! like i said, where does it all stop?
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i don t think there should be any laws telling us what to do! like i said, where does it all stop?
There should be more laws telling us what not to do!
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Without laws there is no order.
Without order there is no progress.
Without progess you wouldn't have a computer.
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SpongeHead that's the stupidest thing I've ever read.
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Tell me what you think is stupid about my statment.
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i don t think there should be any laws telling us what to do! like i said, where does it all stop?
...Did you just suggest you are an anarchist?
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I am a smoker...I beleive people who do not smoke should be and are entitled to go places where it is not. If you can't go somewhere and not smoke, and you really need to smoke.....don't go to the place, and don't complain. Second hand smoke is worse than smoking. I can respect that of people and not smoke. We have places in PA where you can smoke and I will frequent them more. and if not, just go outside!
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I'm not a friggen anarchist! I don't think the government should control everybody!!!!!!!! What are the gonna ban kitchen knives next? They're dangerous! They can hurt people! People should do for themselves! If you like being banned from setting off fireworks on the 4th of july, whatever.
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You're absolutely right, MSP. If you wanna smoke yourself to death while harming others around you, that's your prerrogative, right? Why the hell doesn't the government mind its own bussiness and stop trying to improve the health of our nation?
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You're all dirty, filthy communists.
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I am a smoker...I beleive people who do not smoke should be and are entitled to go places where it is not. If you can't go somewhere and not smoke, and you really need to smoke.....don't go to the place, and don't complain. Second hand smoke is worse than smoking. I can respect that of people and not smoke. We have places in PA where you can smoke and I will frequent them more. and if not, just go outside!
While it's obvious second hand smoke will harm you, it has never been actually proven, and it defiantly hasn't been proven that it is more harmful (though its probable that it is as it is more of a direct smoke intake)
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Improve the health of our nation!? This is Totalitarianism!!! I KNOW WHEN I GO INTO A MICKEY D'S IM SLOWLY KILLIN MYSELF! You got em, you smoke em!
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Improve the health of our nation!? This is Totalitarianism!!! I KNOW WHEN I GO INTO A MICKEY D'S IM SLOWLY KILLIN MYSELF! You got em, you smoke em!
Dude...
Saying this is a totalitarianism is total disrespect for survivors of the regimes of Hitler and Stalin.
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Improve the health of our nation!? This is Totalitarianism!!! I KNOW WHEN I GO INTO A MICKEY D'S IM SLOWLY KILLIN MYSELF! You got em, you smoke em!
Dude...
Saying this is a totalitarianism is total disrespect for survivors of the regimes of Hitler and Stalin.
did you catch that FoxNews clip where the guy said the discrimination against smokers is just like the racism towards black people?
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Improve the health of our nation!? This is Totalitarianism!!! I KNOW WHEN I GO INTO A MICKEY D'S IM SLOWLY KILLIN MYSELF! You got em, you smoke em!
Dude...
Saying this is a totalitarianism is total disrespect for survivors of the regimes of Hitler and Stalin.
did you catch that FoxNews clip where the guy said the discrimination against smokers is just like the racism towards black people?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oDbAg8HxzRI
I love how they say taxing smokers is targeting a certain group of people. It would be like saying taxing CDs is discrimination against people who like music.
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If the smoking bans bother you this much then move to Mexico or something.
If there is a ban on smoking then obviously people other than those in charge wanted it, and for the people in charge to go so far as to ban it in most areas, obviously the voice of the people against smoking must be louder than the one for it.
Why can't you let them want it and adapt yourself by either changing your smocking patterns to suit the law, stopping smoking or moving somewhere where they allow smoking.
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SpongeHead your english they just put a smoking ban in there. ok, if you people want to live under this crap. one day ull all see im right..
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The Romans knew if you give people bread and circuses, you'd become comfortable and accepting whatever the Romans do, like changing from a republic to an empire. Ppl are so materialistic. The Goverment will control every aspect of our life if we give in! We can't be like a bunch of sheep! They'll ban smoking, which in this day and age they say is so "Evil", well guess what my friends...the same liberal nitwits are saying the same thing about food. Then they will regulate fast food, and all fatty foods in the country. Then they will target religion. Get rid of all the little things first, and people will be passive and open to complete control. ok, give up your freedoms. youll be sorry.
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AND IM NOT KIDDING EITHER.
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Lol how does religion equate to smoking and fatty foods?
And look, I'm all for being able to spark up a cigarette or a cigar or whatever, but people have the right to not be exposed to second-hand smoke every time they walk into a restaurant or building. If you need a square that bad, then go outside and light up. They're not banning smoking itself so chill.
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They haven't banned smoking in England. They banned smoking in public enclosed spaces such as clubs, restaurants, shops, offices, stations...
You are free to smoke on the streets, in parks, in your own home and back garden as well.
People who smoke here have the freedom to smoke when they wish, and people who don't smoke can now be in places without having to worry about the affects of second hand smoke, including the smell.
Unless you are one of those obnoxious people who need everything their way (that goes to both smokers and non-smokers) everyone can be happy.
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What about the possible health effects of smoking?
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Everyone who smokes should know what may hapen if you keep smoking (unless you miss the the giant lables on the boxes saying "SMOKING KILLS") so anyone who wants to smoke still, with knowledge that it may kill you in so many ways (such as cancers and cardiovascular diseases) can do so, no one here is going to force you not to.
Though, for those of us who want to be free from the risks of smokeing, including second hand smoke (which gives the same cancer causing, lung damaging effects as if it were smokeing straight from the stick) are allowed that too and shouldn't have their lungs ruined because someone who smokes is sitting next to them.
The way it works here is that all who smoke can smoke in the outside where the second hand smoke can be blown away so there is less chance of non-smokers inhaling it.
The health risks are just the same, but it's the people affected by them that are different.
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Everyone who smokes should know what may hapen if you keep smoking (unless you miss the the giant lables on the boxes saying "SMOKING KILLS") so anyone who wants to smoke still, with knowledge that it may kill you in so many ways (such as cancers and cardiovascular diseases) can do so, no one here is going to force you not to.
They only say "Smoking kills" in the UK. The tobacco lobyists are too strong in the US.
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Yeah, even here in California, you'll even come across warning labels that don't even mention cancer or disease.
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Are you serious?
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Most do but I've seen plenty of labels that'll just go somethin like "SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: TOBACCO SMOKE INCREASES THE RISK OF BIRTH DEFECTS IN PREGNANT WOMEN." ...that's it.
Lol, oh I've also seen, on a few different instances, warnings that say "...CONTAINS CHEMICALS, KNOWN TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, TO CAUSE CANCER AND HEART DISEASE."
...Like the other 49 states don't believe it or somethin.
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The Surgeon General's warning is federally mandated. The other warning is one that California added itself. Other states may have other additional ones.
I like Australia's take on the matter: http://www.smoke-free.ca/warnings/Australia-warnings.htm
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CMONKEY HOW THE HECK COULD YOU CONDONE IN THEM PUTTING THOSE NASTY THINGS ON THE PACKS! THATS DISGUSTING!!! BLOOD VESCULAR DISEASE?!!! BLINDNESS?!!! WTF I NEVER HEARD THOSE. THOSE ARE JUST LIES!!! Excessive smoking over many many years may cause lung cancer, so why would they put all that false stuff on there?!!!!! it's sick!!!! it aint fair to smokers!!! that's socialism for you!!!! As for the US, it was the US gov that got many people hooked on smoking during world war II cigarettes were prevalent in the Army rations. and many of that passed on to today. I'm sure atleast 1/4 of the world population still smokes. The statistics for the US is 35% of men and 20 something for women. That's ALOT of people. And not everyone gets sick.
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All of those facts are 100% true there, Mikey. It's not disgusting, it's letting people know what they can do to themselves by smoking.
My grandma got emphysema from smoking. My grandpa had to get a tracheostomy cuz he got cancer of the throat from smoking...About 15 years later, he died from cancer that metastasized from his lungs throughout his body and brain, even though he had quit smoking after the first incident.
And back in WWII, the government didn't know the extent of harm that cigarettes could do...Back then, everyone smoked cuz it was cool. Lol and wtf do you keep talkin about socialism for? What are they doing? Are they preventing people from lighting up? No, they're merely warning. Unless they go and take away yur precious cigarettes, I see no reason for you to complain.
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You think that what those Australians did was right? Only a retard wouldn't have ever heard the stuff they claim. If a smoker chooses to buy cigarettes, why should they be grossed out with those sick pictures on the PACKS? It's one thing to have them in pamplets by the cigarettes, but to have them on the packs themselves that aint fair. and smoking causes blindness? I never heard that! I dont think anyones heard that BS. If their gonna do that crap, cant they limit it to the lung cancer and whatnot why made up stuff? Cause people are gonna see the bogus stuff and say hey maybe it all aint true. Sorta like if there's no Easter Bunny, why would there be a Santy Clause type of ordeal.
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Lol if you refuse to believe the truth, that's yur problem, but people deserve to be warned about what they can be doing to their bodies.
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I'm just gonna jump in, and say it would be good if they banned smoking. Nothing good comes out of it. Sure it can make you loose weight, but at what cost?
And if you think smoking 3 cigarettes a day isn't an addiction, you're wrong. Anyone who has ever smoked more than once and hasn't exactly "quit" is addicted.
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I'm just gonna jump in, and say it would be good if they banned smoking. Nothing good comes out of it. Sure it can make you loose weight, but at what cost?
And if you think smoking 3 cigarettes a day isn't an addiction, you're wrong. Anyone who has ever smoked more than once and hasn't exactly "quit" is addicted.
Banning things have always worked in the past...
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I'm just gonna jump in, and say it would be good if they banned smoking. Nothing good comes out of it. Sure it can make you loose weight, but at what cost?
And if you think smoking 3 cigarettes a day isn't an addiction, you're wrong. Anyone who has ever smoked more than once and hasn't exactly "quit" is addicted.
An addiction is when you feel like you absolutely need something.
Main Entry: ad·dic·tion
Pronunciation: &-'dik-sh&n, a-
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being addicted <addiction to reading>
2 : compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol)
If you smoke once, then go another six months before smoking again, you aren't addicted.
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I'm just gonna jump in, and say it would be good if they banned smoking. Nothing good comes out of it. Sure it can make you loose weight, but at what cost?
And if you think smoking 3 cigarettes a day isn't an addiction, you're wrong. Anyone who has ever smoked more than once and hasn't exactly "quit" is addicted.
Banning things have always worked in the past...
Exactly. Like Prohibition. Seriously people, alot are "bad" for you. And if you think a little passive smoke is any wheres near and bad for you as actually smoking the cigarette, you are sick, and you need help big time!! It is so dilluded when it burns off the cigartte some finicky wimps may not care for the smell, but that is all it really provenlly can do!!!! HITLER TOO WAS A HEALTH NUT AND VIAMITLY ANTISMOKING. HE SAID THAT TOBACCO WAS THE RATH OF THE RED MAN AGAINST THE WHITE MAN FOR HAVING BEEN DEALT HARD LIQUOR! ALOT OF STUFF IS BAD FOR YOU. INHALING THE EMMISION FROM CARS CAN BE BAD FOR YOU JUST AS BAD BUT WE NATURALLY DO IT ALL THE TIME WHEN WE WALK DOWN STREETS AND STUFF!!! ALOT OF THINGS IN THE AIR IS BAD FOR YOU. SO THEY SAY. IT AINT GONNA KILL YOU!!!! Can not fast food be addictive?!!! Fatty food is sooooooooooooo good. Yes it can be as addictive as nicotine for some people. So why no ban that next?!!! DONT YOU PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN A FREE SOCIETY?!!!! What I can't understand is that why not ONE person on this forum concurs with me when 35% of the men in this nation and a good chunk of the women still do smoke!!! NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES THE CRAP THEY SAY AND THINK THEY SHOULD MAKE LAWS TO ENFORCE WHAT A STUPID, YUPPIE, HEALTH NUT SECTION BELIEVES!!! THAT'S LIKE MAKING BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS THE STATE RELIGION AND OUTLAWING ALL OTHERS!!! SCREW YOU YUPPIES!!!! IT DONT MATTER IF YOU DONT WANT TO ENJOY AND NICE, PEACEFUL, DELICIOUS CIGARETTE. YOU CAN EXERCISE ALL YOU WANT. BUT YOURE STILL GONNA WIND UP DEAD. YOU CAN BE PRISSY WEIGHT WATCHER... WELL IM A REAL AMERICAN!!! AND ITS MY GODDA-- RIGHT NOT TO AGREE WITH ALL YOU PEOPLE~!!YOU ARE STILL GONNA BE MAGGOT FOOD NO MATTER IF YOU DONT LIVE LIFE TO THE FULLEST. BE MY GUEST!!!!
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Quit whining. No one is taking away yur precious cigarettes. And if you have a problem with not being able to smoke in places like restaurants, too freakin bad. Get over it.
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Yes Mike, we are all going to die eventually.
I'd like to not die in a hospital bed with a oxygen tank because I just HAD to smoke.
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Yes Mike, we are all going to die eventually.
I'd like to not die in a hospital bed with a oxygen tank because I just HAD to smoke.
I'd not like to pay to die prematurely in a hospital bed with an oxygen tank because I just HAD to smoke.
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You're not going to die. Do you know how many people smoke? 35 percent of men in this country and almost the same of women. Veryy very few get lung cancer and whatnot. its all in the facts. So quit bein a little baby.
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Over 400,000 people a year die from smoking. And the only one whining like a baby is you.
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You're not going to die. Do you know how many people smoke? 35 percent of men in this country and almost the same of women. Veryy very few get lung cancer and whatnot. its all in the facts. So quit bein a little baby.
Care to cite your sources? I highly, HIGHLY, doubt that 70% of the US smokes.
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uuuuuuhhhhh.... i foreget the statistics. I read 35 percent of men and 28 or 29 something per cent of women.
...70 percent?
Even if it was both 35% of men and 35% of women in this country... it would be 35% of the country...
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There are more smokers than there are black people(13% of the nation). more twice as many!(including African-Americans that smoke, of course). That's a pretty big minority!
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uuuuuuhhhhh.... i foreget the statistics. I read 35 percent of men and 28 or 29 something per cent of women.
...70 percent?
Even if it was both 35% of men and 35% of women in this country... it would be 35% of the country...
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He was asking for a source.
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i think i read it on wikipedia
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The American Heart Assocation states that an estimated 25.1 million men (23.4%) and 20.9 million women (18.5%) are smokers.
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As opposed to an average the world over, here is the percentages for each country, I found:
Approximately 5.5 trillion cigarettes are produced globally each year by the tobacco industry, smoked by over 1.1 billion people, which is more than 1/6 of the world's total population.
Smoking Prevalence by Gender(men left, women on the right)
PERCENT SMOKING
REGION MEN WOMEN
Africa 29% 4%
United States 35% 22%
Eastern Mediterranean 35% 4%
Europe 46% 26%
Southeast Asia 44% 4%
Western Pacific 60% 8%
(2007, World Health Organization estimates)
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Is there a point yur trying to make here?
And you changed the year on those statistics from 2000 to 2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette)
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those statistics were not from wikipedia. i suppose in 2007 it is about the same statistics
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According to the Centers for Disease Control:
* Tobacco use is the leading preventable cause of death in the United States. Cigarette smoking causes an estimated 438,000 deaths, or about 1 of every 5 deaths, each year. This estimate includes approximately 38,000 deaths from secondhand smoke exposure.
* Cigarette smoking kills an estimated 259,500 men and 178,000 women in the United States each year.
* More deaths are caused each year by tobacco use than by all deaths from human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), illegal drug use, alcohol use, motor vehicle injuries, suicides, and murders combined.
* On average, adults who smoke cigarettes die 14 years earlier than nonsmokers.
* Based on current cigarette smoking patterns, an estimated 25 million Americans who are alive today will die prematurely from smoking-related illnesses, including 5 million people younger than 18.
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those statistics were not from wikipedia. i suppose in 2007 it is about the same statistics
You suppose wrong. The number of smokers from past years till now has declined steadily.
And care to share a link to where you found those stats from? Because I can type what you posted in a google search and the wikipedia page I showed is the one and only word-for-word result.
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Smoking can do good things like relax you, help you concentrate, helps your digestion, stimulates you, helps your nerves. Those are most but not all of the positive effects, including reducing risk of prostate cancer. no1 ever mentions those things
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And you didn't answer me.
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Smoking can do good things like relax you, help you concentrate, helps your digestion, stimulates you, helps your nerves. Those are most but not all of the positive effects, including reducing risk of prostate cancer. no1 ever mentions those things
because there are far more bad points of smoking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tobacco_smoking
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it helps you lose weight. being obese can lead to even more serious health risks.
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Someone's losing this debate fast. :P
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it helps you lose weight. being obese can lead to even more serious health risks.
It helps you lose wait by killing your appetite, thus resulting in possible fasts. Not very healthy.
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Someone's losing this debate fast. :P
Yeah. It's really pathetic at this point.
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Cancer isn't the only thing that smoking can do, since that's the only thing you mention in your posts.
Cigarettes have a much larger affect of cardiovascular diseases, diseases of the heart and circulatory system.
Starting simply, carbon monoxide from cigarette smoke (which is the stuff you inhale) will render all red blood cells it comes into contact with useless by combining with the cell like oxygen dose but doesn't let go. This means your heart needs to pump harder to fully oxygenate your body, giving rise to blood pressure.
A raised blood pressure means that blood travels through the vessels faster and that also means that walls of the arteries (the vessels which carry blood after it leaves the heart and so the vessels under the most pressure) are more likely to get damaged which may start either two processes.
One is atherosclerosis, the hardening and narrowing of the artery wall, this is dangerous because the reduced elasticity of the arteries and the fact that it's narrower lead to more increased blood pressure and so there is a vicious cycle.
The other is blood clots, when the damaged artery wall has an inflammatory response which starts a whole cascade of chemicals which results in a small package of red blood cells and platelets, bound together by fibrous tissue. A clot will also narrow that artery and raise blood pressure (again, vicious cycle) but a clot can have other devastating affects, if the clot is in the brain then you may get a stroke, if the clot is the heart then you may get angina (stabbing chest pains) or even a heart attack.
That isn't the only thing that cigarettes do though, smoking also causes your lungs to be filled with tar which break down the air sacks in your lungs meaning you must breath harder, but also, tar can go into the blood vessels where they deposit and have the same affect as a clot and raise blood pressure.
Another risk with smoking are the toxins which cause damage to the walls of the arteries which will, as said above, cause either atherosclerosis or clots.
One of the reasons for your claim that there are low numbers of people who smoke who die from cancer is probably because the rest of them have died because of a stroke of a heart attack.
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No one dies from cigarettes.
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No one dies from cigarettes.
Man I want to kick your ass right now.
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Actually he's right, no one die's from cigarettes.
They die from the effects of smokeing them.