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Off Topic => Everything Else => Debate Den => Topic started by: VulturEMaN on September 13, 2007, 11:24:08 am
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I've been hearing more and more stuff lately, so I figured I'd ask again what your view is.
http://rawstory.com//news/2007/CNN_investigates_secret_911_doomsday_plane_0913.html
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/first_responders_heard_wtc_7_demo_countdown.htm
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No, they where a terrorist act. If the government where planning to blow up the buildings, why would they target the pENTAGON as well? The base for their military and security?
And I'm a conspiracy theorist myself, but I don't beleive that one.
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And there are loads of people that are convinced that the Pentagon attack was nothing more than a crappy missile that did little.
I haven't picked a side yet, cause there's sooo much monkey poop being flinged around :P
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I've heard that they knew something about it but never did anything.
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I've heard that they knew something about it but never did anything.
That one is almost possible. There is the occurance of Mossad (Israeli intelligence organization) agents in NYC on 9/11 who seemingly knew it was going to happen.
However, the US government actually doing it themselves is quite possibly the stupidest idea I've ever heard. Honestly, it just gives a bad name to dissent in general by association with such idiocy.
Anyway, there is insane amount of information available debunking the conspiracy theories, but I prefer this article (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304-1,00.html), which instead explores the psychology behind the necessity to form conspiracy theories, even when the facts are overwhelmingly stacked against them.
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BUT THEY'RE ALLL TRUUUUUEEEEE~~~~!!!!!! xD
Naaa...I just think that some members of our current gov't are fishy enough (and have been fishy enough) for the past 20-30 years to create this 'mess' in order to get money. Most (if not all) conspiracy theories sound idiotic, but I'd love to know what was really going on behind the scenes :P
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I've heard that they knew something about it but never did anything.
isn't that what a lot of people think happened with Pearl Harbor as well?
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Unlike most Americans, I tend to believe the attacks on September 11, 2001 were planned by al-Qaeda because of U.S. military occupation of the Arabian Peninsula, U.S. aggression against the Iraqi people, and U.S. support of Israel.
But, hey, it's only my theory.
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I've heard that they knew something about it but never did anything.
isn't that what a lot of people think happened with Pearl Harbor as well?
I don't know anything about Pearl Harbor stories/rumors.
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Tora! Tora! Tora! gives a pretty good fictional portrayal about it. The truth has probably been lost to history though.
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The possibility of an inside job has crossed my mind more than once... 9/11 in it's own was a lot like the Reichstag Fire in Germany back near when Hitler took power. A tragedy occurs and than a leader rises up and takes total control and power over an entire country. But lets face it... Hitler/Bush comparisons are tedious and tired out. But the fact that both of these disasters happened in similar cirumstances really makes you think.
No doubt in my mind, Fundamental Islam Extremists definately did carry out these attacks... you don't need half a brain to realize this. But you must bear into consideration what happens when religious text is taken absolutely literally. The "Holy" Quran states very many times throughout the whole book that fighting is obligatory. And it says in fact, if you DON'T fight you are to be punished.
Surah 9:37 "If you do not fight he will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men."
ALSO I heard somewhere that Muslim boys from an early EARLY age are promised that if they die in "Jihad" (holy war) When they die they will have like, 100 mansions, with 100 houses, with 100 rooms, with 100 bedrooms, each bedroom with a virgin women, and everytime you have sex with her she is re-virginized. This isn't entirely accurate, but Muslims are conditioned with radacalist ideas from very early in their childhood and therefor you get these terrorists who carry out judgement in the name of "Allah"
However, even though I think Islam is an evil religion, the mistake here is taking religious text TOO LITERAL. The same thing happened with the Christian Crusades through Scandinavia, and the invasion of Latin and South America.
So to the conclusion... I am getting off topic. It was a group of brainwashed terrorists who believe that if they carry out their acts of evil they would be heavily rewarded in the afterlife. I do believe though Bush has tried to cover up his mistakes and fuckups in RESPONDING after the fact.
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However, even though I think Islam is an evil religion, the mistake here is taking religious text TOO LITERAL. The same thing happened with the Christian Crusades through Scandinavia, and the invasion of Latin and South America.
This is a ridiculous statement. There are just as many a percent of Islamic terrorists as Christian fundamentalists.
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Did he ever say Christian Fundamentalists were good either?
Cause.. they aren't.
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Did he ever say Christian Fundamentalists were good either?
Cause.. they aren't.
Well, I should really have been clear. I'm not equating terrorism to Christian fundamentalism. More like, equating terrorism to violent fundamentalism.
What I'm trying to say is that their are plenty of Muslims who are not terrorists and are quite progressive.
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This is a ridiculous statement. There are just as many a percent of Islamic terrorists as Christian fundamentalists.
Obviously you didn't read my whole post, otherwise you'd have read the part where I mentioned the Christian Crusades. I think all organized religion is evil, but Islam is the worst. Most Christian Fundies are all talk. Islam Fundies ARE dangerous. This has been proven many times, most specifically in 1992 and 2001 when they bombed the WTC. Their prophet Muhammed was a pedophile for heaven's sake! He married a 6 year old girl!
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Meh, as corrupt as people are, I find it hard to believe that our government would kill a ton of their OWN people. It does not make any sense.
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It's possible the government would attack its own people, but nothing to the scale of 9/11. Antrax attacks, maybe. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/archive/1873368.stm)
"The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, 'just to keep people frightened'."
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I'm not sure who did it but I am sure that there is something wrong with the 'official' story. The buildings getting hit by planes and then just collapsing like they did doesn't look right.
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I'm not sure who did it but I am sure that there is something wrong with the 'official' story. The buildings getting hit by planes and then just collapsing like they did doesn't look right.
Compared with all the other times planes hit two buildings with the dimensions, coming at the same speed and same angles under all the same circumstances, you're right.
In other words, how do you know what would have looked right?
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I'm not sure who did it but I am sure that there is something wrong with the 'official' story. The buildings getting hit by planes and then just collapsing like they did doesn't look right.
Compared with all the other times planes hit two buildings with the dimensions, coming at the same speed and same angles under all the same circumstances, you're right.
In other words, how do you know what would have looked right?
yeah 9/11 could not have been pulled off by our govt.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html bam!!!
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Well...
It is the Internet.