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Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Bozy426 on September 16, 2004, 11:40:52 am
yes easyly

ahh well i will let u guys work this one out
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Daniel on September 16, 2004, 12:06:47 pm
Ah! Confusing!
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Gideon Brown on September 16, 2004, 12:14:34 pm
It technically makes a vibration in the air that could become a sound if there was an ear to hear it. Otherwise...nope! lol
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Banana on September 16, 2004, 01:14:44 pm
I hate that question.

Of course it does.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Megan on September 16, 2004, 04:01:04 pm
Yes, it makes a noise.  
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: ssj4gogita4 on September 16, 2004, 04:07:05 pm
Ever watch Family Guy? The episode where Peter needs to find himself and have a guiding spirit and talk to nature? Yeah...one of the trees answers this question
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: IZ on September 16, 2004, 06:12:19 pm
Yes. The vibrations do not require an ear to make a sound.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Starr2k3 on September 16, 2004, 06:16:01 pm
No, Charliez Fallen Angel stole my words...

I could not say it any better.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Gideon Brown on September 16, 2004, 06:23:27 pm
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Yes. The vibrations do not require an ear to make a sound.
technically, IZ, sound is something our ears make out of vibrations. Without any vibrations there would be no sound, and without our ears detecting the vibrations the way they do, we wouldn't be hearing them. Thunder is a good example. The vibration rolls out. So you don't hear the thunder right away because the vibrations are moving slowly toward you. And when it's really far away you can't hear it at all because the vibrations aren't strong enough to reach you.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: AppleNick on September 18, 2004, 10:36:25 pm
It does.

Well, someone far away is making a noise, and I don't hear it. But it's still making a sound. I hardly find this a debate topic.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Dragon Of Grief on September 19, 2004, 08:19:21 am
Of course it does. This isn't even a debateable question. Just because no one is around doesn't mean it doesn't make a sound.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Gideon Brown on September 19, 2004, 11:50:54 am
that's the thing, sound is something our brain makes so we know what the vibrations are. otherwise its just a vibration. hence, in space no one can hear you scream. because it is a vacuum your ears don't pick up the vibrations the way you do on Earth.
For instance, echolocation...dolphins don't hear the clicks they make bouncing off of things, it bounces back and they FEEL it. Same with bats.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Starr2k3 on September 19, 2004, 02:48:02 pm
Yes, this is debatable.

It DOES make a noise. And Charliez Fallan Angel is saying it straight to your face and you can't understand it...
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: IceFox on September 19, 2004, 03:02:20 pm
Well, this is debatible, Charliez Fallen Angel is who agree with, i think. I6t is jsut a viberation, that needs something to transmit the sound into 0Not just ears, tape records and stuff too)
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Gideon Brown on September 19, 2004, 05:05:04 pm
heh....well technically, you get the vibraitons on tape, and then again, your ears translate it. Anatomy and biology are such weird things. What I'm trying to say is that when a tree falls in the forest, it makes the potential for sound.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Scilla on September 19, 2004, 05:46:29 pm
No, because if no one is there to hear it, how CAN it make a noise? YOU hear the vibrations, which is sound, so, its utterly impossible.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Gideon Brown on September 19, 2004, 07:07:02 pm
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No, because if no one is there to hear it, how CAN it make a noise? YOU hear the vibrations, which is sound, so, its utterly impossible.
Exactly what I'm saying!!  :biggrin:  
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Post by: spongedude on September 19, 2004, 07:15:34 pm
Of all the things to debate, we had to pick this... :lol:
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: DoomBringer316 on September 20, 2004, 01:33:04 pm
Sound

Vibrations transmitted through an elastic solid or a liquid or gas, with frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz, capable of being detected by human organs of hearing.

~taken from dictionary.com

 
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: IZ on September 20, 2004, 02:07:14 pm
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Sound

Vibrations transmitted through an elastic solid or a liquid or gas, with frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz, capable of being detected by human organs of hearing.

~taken from dictionary.com
Ah ha! So it doesn't have to be heard.  
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: spongehead 32 on September 20, 2004, 02:15:34 pm
it makes a sound that cant be heard
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: ssj4gogita4 on September 20, 2004, 03:47:11 pm
Eh...isnt that a double negative?
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Gideon Brown on September 20, 2004, 06:56:13 pm
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Sound

Vibrations transmitted through an elastic solid or a liquid or gas, with frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz, capable of being detected by human organs of hearing.

~taken from dictionary.com
Ah ha! So it doesn't have to be heard.
Yes capable! Without an ear, it's still a vibration! It's the potential...it's a sound when heard.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: IceFox on September 20, 2004, 07:24:36 pm
Now i am sure. I do agree with Charlies Fallen Angel.  
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Post by: DoomBringer316 on September 20, 2004, 07:31:11 pm
Vibrations capable of being heard by traveling through a medium, not by whether or not there is a set of ears available, I assume. It lists the range of human hearing also to show that the vibration must fall between them to be considered a sound.  
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Gideon Brown on September 20, 2004, 07:34:36 pm
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Vibrations capable of being heard by traveling through a medium, not by whether or not there is a set of ears available, I assume. It lists the range of human hearing also to show that the vibration must fall between them to be considered a sound.
So if a dog can hear it, but we can't it's not a sound? I find that very arrogant of human beings. "If we can't hear it, it ain't real."
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: IceFox on September 21, 2004, 04:48:25 pm
So, charliez fallen angel, are you saying: Yea, it does make a noise OR No, it does not make a noise.?
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Scilla on September 21, 2004, 04:52:12 pm
No it does NOT make a noise.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Gideon Brown on September 21, 2004, 06:27:20 pm
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So, charliez fallen angel, are you saying: Yea, it does make a noise OR No, it does not make a noise.?
I'm saying that it makes the possibility of a sound if some form of listening device were there. So if there was no device, then no. It didn't make the sound, just the vibrations.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: DoomBringer316 on September 21, 2004, 07:37:00 pm
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So if a god can hear it, but we can't it's not a sound? I find that very arrogant of human beings. "If we can't hear it, it ain't real."

Uhh... what? I think you totally missed the point. You do realize the definition of sound was made by humans in the first place, correct? Sound is being described as relative to humans, not to some other creature or being. That's why they gave the human hearing range in the definition to begin with.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Gideon Brown on September 21, 2004, 08:12:51 pm
Pffft. It's arrogance. You're saying that only humans can hear, and that's total bull.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: spongehead 32 on September 22, 2004, 09:14:51 am
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Eh...isnt that a double negative?
no its not double negatives

its saying that it dose make a noise

though none of us can hear it

so it makes a sound that cant be heard
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Spongey34 on September 22, 2004, 04:18:37 pm
Of course it does.  You don't have to hear something for it to have made a sound.  You don't have to see something for it to be visible.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: spongehead 32 on September 22, 2004, 04:46:40 pm
unless you are thinking about it in terms of yourself

if you cant hear somthing then there is no sound to you

if you cant see somthing then then it is not visibal to you
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Starr2k3 on September 22, 2004, 04:47:30 pm
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Of course it does.  You don't have to hear something for it to have made a sound.  You don't have to see something for it to be visible.
Read this thread and then say something. >_>
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: MiraclrPlz on September 23, 2004, 06:35:46 am
I say it won't make a sound.  And DoombRinger got his mod powers back hoorah!
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Daniel on September 23, 2004, 04:54:07 pm
I've thought, and YES.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Spongey34 on September 23, 2004, 04:56:25 pm
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Yes, it's total arrogance because I'm reading you a DEFINITION of the word. Would you like to point out to me where I said that only humans can hear? Maybe next time I'll be more courteous and include every creature ever when I define something for you.
Um, wow.  I simply answered the question that this whole thread was about.  Sorry if you misinterpreted what I said, but it had absolutely nothing to do with what you or anyone else said.  And I never said that you said only humans can hear.

:mellow:
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: IceFox on September 23, 2004, 05:05:27 pm
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It does.

Well, someone far away is making a noise, and I don't hear it. But it's still making a sound. I hardly find this a debate topic.
Yea, well, when you talk, you are only making vierations, but you can hear it, ONLY because your ears are around to transmit the sound. So, say if i lost my brain, i would not be able to hear anything. So, still, i say, it makes a NO sound, only viberations, unless something is able to hear it. Oh, yeah, and this is debatible.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Starr2k3 on September 23, 2004, 05:13:40 pm
Think of a guitar.

Using the strings and it will make vibrations that go into the ear and it will translate to a sound;.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: ssj4gogita4 on September 23, 2004, 05:14:43 pm
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It does.

Well, someone far away is making a noise, and I don't hear it. But it's still making a sound. I hardly find this a debate topic.
Yea, well, when you talk, you are only making vierations, but you can hear it, ONLY because your ears are around to transmit the sound. So, say if i lost my brain, i would not be able to hear anything. So, still, i say, it makes a NO sound, only viberations, unless something is able to hear it. Oh, yeah, and this is debatible.
Tree falls and no one is around...still makes a noise as it hits the ground...vibrations are so stupid...
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Starr2k3 on September 23, 2004, 05:15:26 pm
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It does.

Well, someone far away is making a noise, and I don't hear it. But it's still making a sound. I hardly find this a debate topic.
Yea, well, when you talk, you are only making vierations, but you can hear it, ONLY because your ears are around to transmit the sound. So, say if i lost my brain, i would not be able to hear anything. So, still, i say, it makes a NO sound, only viberations, unless something is able to hear it. Oh, yeah, and this is debatible.
Tree falls and no one is around...still makes a noise as it hits the ground...vibrations are so stupid...
They may be "stupid" but it's true.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: IceFox on September 23, 2004, 05:24:04 pm
yep. agreed.

 
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Starr2k3 on September 23, 2004, 05:30:00 pm
Also the drums. Just think about it...
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Gideon Brown on September 23, 2004, 06:26:05 pm
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Tree falls and no one is around...still makes a noise as it hits the ground...vibrations are so stupid...
I dunno...if you ain't got the vibrations, you ain't got the sound.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: DoomBringer316 on September 23, 2004, 07:49:55 pm
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Um, wow. I simply answered the question that this whole thread was about. Sorry if you misinterpreted what I said, but it had absolutely nothing to do with what you or anyone else said. And I never said that you said only humans can hear

Um, that wasn't directed towards you.  
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Post by: Spongey34 on September 23, 2004, 08:15:08 pm
Well PS2k3 had to tell me to re-read the thread, and then you were saying something about complete arrogance... sorry about the confusion. :wacko:
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Gideon Brown on September 23, 2004, 09:03:24 pm
He was referring to me. I'm not saying YOU're saying what you wrote out. It's humans. Yeah, I hate my species. We're out to kill everything, and ourselves too.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: ESP on September 24, 2004, 05:44:51 am
I voted no sound,

If no one is around then who's to say that the tree even fell.
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Post by: IceFox on September 25, 2004, 11:56:49 am
Well, I say No Sound, but ESP, if spme1 comes later, and sees the ree fell, then, they cna say it did. Ands, yeah, it makes no sound, IMO
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Post by: 1luke12 on September 25, 2004, 11:59:28 am
I voted no. How can you be it makes a sound if no one hears it?
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Post by: Starr2k3 on September 25, 2004, 02:28:02 pm
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I voted no sound,

If no one is around then who's to say that the tree even fell.
>_>

Thats not the question...

We KNOW it fell. Did it make a noise? Thats the question...
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: GrEeNdAyFrEaK on September 25, 2004, 05:06:41 pm
This is a stupid question, no offense x.x Yes of course it does, there's nothing "deep" about a friggin tree falling over.  
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: spongegor on September 26, 2004, 09:08:57 am
of course it would make a sound because technically it does everything mkes a sound when it fall exept a fe ther or a piece of paper
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Starr2k3 on September 26, 2004, 09:32:15 am
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This is a stupid question, no offense x.x Yes of course it does, there's nothing "deep" about a friggin tree falling over.
Well, if you read the whole topic you can see how sounds are really vibrations that go through the human ear and translate to sound..
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Post by: AppleNick on September 26, 2004, 09:45:28 am
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of course it would make a sound because technically it does everything mkes a sound when it fall exept a fe ther or a piece of paper
Those technically both make sounds, but they are really hard to hear.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: IceFox on September 28, 2004, 04:37:27 pm
Yeah. If a tree falls in the woods, it need viberations, so yes, techinicly it makes NO sounds.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: Squiddy on September 28, 2004, 06:10:27 pm
Of course it makes a sound. There were vibrations which means that there was noise?
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Post by: Starr2k3 on September 28, 2004, 06:46:30 pm
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Of course it makes a sound. There were vibrations which means that there was noise?
No, no, no.

Vibrations MAKE a noise when they go through the human ear. If no human ear, no sound.
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: GrEeNdAyFrEaK on September 30, 2004, 07:46:34 pm
Okay then let me change my stance. This isn't a deep topic, it's a technical topic x.x
Title: Tree Falling
Post by: IceFox on November 07, 2004, 01:45:45 pm
It is a vibartaion. A Human Ear Needs To Recieve The Vbarations to Translate them. The tree makes viberation, but it does not make sound unless a human ear can recieve the sound. Acclutluy, animal ear too.