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Off Topic => Everything Else => Debate Den => Topic started by: MiraclrPlz on October 03, 2004, 07:01:45 pm
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Fetal or embryotic Stem Cell Research and human cloning can never be morally justified. They involve the killing of innocent human life and manifest a disregard for the dignity of the human person.
Every abortion is wrong. Abortion is an intrinsic evil for which there can be no authentic moral justification or defense.
There is help for every woman who is pregnant and doesn't know where to turn. Crisis centers, maternity homes, and adoption referral agencies are ready and willing to help any woman.
Contaception, birth control and sterilization are intrinsically evil.
Couples must be open to God's plan and embrace both the unitive and the procreative aspects of marriage.
Direct Euthanesia--ending the lives of sick, disabled, or dying persons--is morally unacceptable. Human life is sacred. Each of us was created in the image of God and we are loved with an everlasting love. As a great role-modle of miine, Arch Bishop Sheen said, "God does no love us because we are valuable. We are valuable because God loves us." Jesus taught us how to be pro-life. He said, and I quote, "Love one another as I have loved you." Jesus loves us even though we are sinners and He died for us so he could be with us for all eternity. Jesus did this before any of us were born. Each and every new human life is precious in the eyes of God and infinatly valuable. Let us welcome these youngf stangers with joy!
This thread is about the end of Stem Cell research. If you knew how much a baby suffers, or how much God suffers from each abortion, you may die. Not out of fear, but out of love.
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Yeah! Go MSP!!!! *everyone looks at me* Hehehehehe..sorry. But I hafta agree with him in those stuff.
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Every abortion kills an innocent human life! Life begins at conception and is a continuum until natural death!
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I can't believe you think spamming is getting you anywhere. -_-
Some of those things I agree with though, but if a woman is scared, church isn't taking away any pain, and life doesn't always just end at "Natural death". There are many threats to natural death.
And for the direct euthanesia (SP?), be optimistic. It's not forced in the first place, and depending on the sickness, their life could just turn into awful pain all day. If you think about it, it's terrible.
And for birth control, contraception, and sterilization, Wtf.
MSP, just accept it. Religion has nothing to do with government, and it never will. This can be referable to the freedom of worship if you think about it. Not everyone is a roman catholic. Go figure.
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MSP, you seem to keep forgetting that not everyone believes in God.
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Well when Bush gets re-elected, there will be no Stem Cell Research! EDIT And Tony NO I'm not Staunchy against war! How dare you compare war to abortions. People complain about genocides that happend 50 years ago, but they don't complain about the genocide going on now! Anyone who aborts should be triable for homicide!
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Man MSP I wish you could stop, stand in the position of say, a prostitute who has AIDS and is pregnant. What...you want the kid to be born with AIDS so he/she can die a painful death? Just because the woman is selling her body, she should have to go through the pain of pregnancy, and her sickness, and then have her baby be born with the same disease that WILL kill it?
Anyways...this is about Stem Cell Research....get with it...YOU made the topic. :blink:
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What...you want the kid to be born with AIDS so he/she can die a painful death?
Only 1 in 25 people whose parents have AIDS are born with AIDS... but yeah, I don't know what that has to do with the topic.
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MSP, you seem to keep forgetting that not everyone believes in God.
He just assumes everyone here is Catholic, or even just Christian.
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He said on AIM that he is thinking about foricble conversion in the forum.
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What do you mean?
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What do you mean?
He's gonna force everyone to become Catholic here.
I am already, sooo I don't have to worry. I used to be like this, now I'm just giving respect to other people's opinion. But I am still AGAINST Stem Cell Research.
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LOL...I would like to see him try that!
Sure he would!
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Its a forum. Even if someone held a gun up to my head, I wouldnt convert to Catholicism.
Anyway, a fetus can go to research, or it can go to the incinerator. With one of the choices, lives can be saved; with the other, theres a small cloud of smoke and some ashes.
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LOL...I would like to see him try that!
Sure he would!
He's probably going to get banned in the first try. :cool:
C-man you just pwned him!!!! :ph34r:
I'm a Catholic too, but I respect other peoples opinion, unlike MSP.
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Me too.
He did pwn him?
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I think he just did, sorta.
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Anyway, a fetus can go to research, or it can go to the incinerator. With one of the choices, lives can be saved; with the other, theres a small cloud of smoke and some ashes.
That's digusting, it really is. As much as I disagree with almost everything MSP says, I have to agree here. So, what everyone is saying is, we can use a baby fetus as a guinea pig to save others? What about that life? What if it doesnt cure anything? Do we throw up our hands and say "oh well, we tried"? In 75 years I bet we'll be able to clone people. And that sits well with you people? Forget about the religious aspect of this, its barbaric. Sure, it could cure disease, but how many of these babies would we have to go through?
There are a few things I agree with, with bush.
No gay marrage
Abortion is wrong (which wont go away even if he is reelected.)
and this is crap.
I dont force my beliefs down peoples throats. there is other ways to get people to listen to your ideas and opinions, MSP. Forcing isnt one of them. The old saying: "you can lead a donkey to water, but you cant make it drink"....
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John Scary said he won't appoint anyone to the supreme court who denies the womans "right" to "choose." OMG and he calls himself a Catholic, and he supports the most horrible sin of them all! Why! He! And he said "I'll make sure we never turn back the clock and outlaw abortion." He even voted against the partial birth abortion ban that passed through Bush. But Partial Birth Abortion is just as bad as one week old baby abortion. Murder is murder. The idiot also said something like "Bush has no respect torawrds women." What does wanting a mass genocide stopped have to do with this? SHUT UP JOHN SCARY! You will lose.
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*cough* Not on topic MSP *cough*
That's pretty bad when you made the topic...bah!
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Its a forum. Even if someone held a gun up to my head, I wouldnt convert to Catholicism.
Anyway, a fetus can go to research, or it can go to the incinerator. With one of the choices, lives can be saved; with the other, theres a small cloud of smoke and some ashes.
Thats disturbing. :blink:
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Anyway, a fetus can go to research, or it can go to the incinerator. With one of the choices, lives can be saved; with the other, theres a small cloud of smoke and some ashes.
That's digusting, it really is. As much as I disagree with almost everything MSP says, I have to agree here. So, what everyone is saying is, we can use a baby fetus as a guinea pig to save others? What about that life? What if it doesnt cure anything? Do we throw up our hands and say "oh well, we tried"? In 75 years I bet we'll be able to clone people. And that sits well with you people? Forget about the religious aspect of this, its barbaric. Sure, it could cure disease, but how many of these babies would we have to go through?
There are a few things I agree with, with bush.
No gay marrage
Abortion is wrong (which wont go away even if he is reelected.)
and this is crap.
I dont force my beliefs down peoples throats. there is other ways to get people to listen to your ideas and opinions, MSP. Forcing isnt one of them. The old saying: "you can lead a donkey to water, but you cant make it drink"....
It's a dead fetus. You're not killing a fetus to allow for stem cell research. If you want to argue for or against abortion, do it in the abortion topic. Anyway, fetuses also come from miscarriages.
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John Scary said he won't appoint anyone to the supreme court who denies the womans "right" to "choose." OMG and he calls himself a Catholic, and he supports the most horrible sin of them all! Why! He! And he said "I'll make sure we never turn back the clock and outlaw abortion." He even voted against the partial birth abortion ban that passed through Bush. But Partial Birth Abortion is just as bad as one week old baby abortion. Murder is murder. The idiot also said something like "Bush has no respect torawrds women." What does wanting a mass genocide stopped have to do with this? SHUT UP JOHN SCARY! You will lose.
So.
One, I don't think abortion is wrong, what if you didn't want to have a baby, or you are not responsible to take care of it, you are killing what isn't really alive.
Two, I don't care what Kerry says at all I would still vote for him, nothing can be worse then Bush.
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Stem Cell Research must be stopped because we can't have a study promoting this genocide to help people. Stem Cell research will only kill.
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If you look at it that way...which is:
Don't kill millions of fetuses so that we can save millions from cancer
then you should look at war like this:
Don't kill millions of people so the Americans can do whatever they please.
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I'm pro-life and I am against killing someone to save the life of another.
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Then you should be against war...that's what war is all about
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GAAAAAAAAG! BS! WAR IS NOTHING LIKE KILLING BABIES FOR MEDICAL RESEARCH!!!!!111111 I'M NOT AGAINST WAR!!!!!! I used to try to associate with Liberals. I'm giving up.
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I'm pro-life and I am against killing someone to save the life of another.
Say what you mean how you mean it. If you are against killing to save lives, then that includes war. What else is way about?! Hrmmm? And you are so daft. I'm not Liberal. I'm Green. Therefore, against war.
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The Green party is an extremly Liberal Party. We Republicans are pro-war and Democrats are anti-war.
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Green is mainly conservative. Uhm...hello? Raise taxes, make you work for free once a week, make everyone car pool...how is THAT liberal?
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I am for Stem Cell. Like Tony said, we risk a few lives to save millions. I can justify that.
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*realization dawns*
MSP...Green Party is AGAINST stem cell research. They are also against abortion. So yeah. Think about it. Green=nature=life.
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Well the Green Party in this country is liberal.
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Everything is Liberal. Except for me.
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I have some bad news for you SSS, but you are a spammer. You are not the only conservative. Everyone who votes for Bush is basically conservative. :wacko:
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What? I already said life begins at conception and is a continuum until natural death. During an abortion, a baby, a living human being, is crushed and then pulled apart by a vacuum and it suffers. The hairsplitting differnce between formed and unformed makes no differnece to us. Whoever deliberetly commits abortion should be subject to the penalty of homicide.
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Stop calling me a spammer.
My brother is.
I don't go "yo momma" and then leave okay. That's spamming.
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SSS, its you who is posting as your brother...
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SSS, its you who is posting as your brother...
You think I'm immanture???
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Lay off SSS there is no proof it wasn't his brother.
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Lay off SSS there is no proof it wasn't his brother.
EXACTLY. Right there. Plus we're kinda getting off topic.
I think Stem Cell Research is the worst thing since the Holocaust.
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That's dumb SSS. Stem Cell research would be sacrificing a few fetuses, when the holocaust was 6 million people.
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A FEW FETUSES?! ABORTION IS A MASS GENOCIDE THAT HAS KILLED MORE THAN A FEW MILLION! And the babies should be buried rather than tested upon as long as this intrinsic evil is legal!
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That's dumb SSS. Stem Cell research would be sacrificing a few fetuses, when the holocaust was 6 million people.
That's what they want you to think. A FEW fetuses. It's more like 5.8 million fetuses.
I agree with MSP Stem Cell Research and Abortion IS a genocide.
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It's still going to save millions of lifes in the long run.
MSP, this is a stem cell research topic, not abortion. >_K<
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Abortion would save millions, but put millions bankraupt.
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And what do you think fuels stem cell research? ABORTION. That is why Bush and I want it banned. I will share now with you all an email I got when I was on a religous site, a long, long time ago.
"Hello, Michael. I am a Catholic living in the Archdiocese of Kansas. My abortion was 16 years ago. It is my prayer that those who are experiencing the emotional and spiritual pain of a past abortion expericene will realize the crippling effects it has on their lives. Although so many times we choose to travel down the wrong roads in life, God in His goodness, continues to drop crossroads in from of us offering the opportunity to turn back(to be reconcilded, to know His love, and to start anew.)
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The only reasons you have that it is wrong is religios reasons.
Not all people are Catholic/Chrisian (sp)
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It is still murder no matte what religion or atheism you are. That is even worse than killing an adult. Killing an innocent baby, just because it cant fend for itself! Sickning! Abortion Clinics need to blow up!
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Still, you can't kill something that isn't alive.
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IT IS ALIVE! FOR THE LAST FRIGGEN TIME! LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION AND IS A CONTINUUM UNTIL NATURAL DEATH!
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Life begins in the second trimester of pregnancy.
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It dosen't have the nerves to feel it!
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It begins at conception! At conception, your DNA is completly formed!
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But you don't start actually growing organs or ANYTHING until the second trimester.
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So, its nervers still haven't developed, unless you do it later.
Abortion should be aloud, but there should be certain time limit you have to do it in.
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MSP...YOUR view on when life begins and other peoples views on when life begin differ. Which is why this is such a touchy subject, sweety.
Some believe it begins at conception, some believe it begins when there is a heart, and others believe it begins when there is a brain.
Don't act like YOU have to be right. Do you get 100% on every test you do? Oh...you don't? Well, that means YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING.
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So, its nervers still haven't developed, unless you do it later.
Abortion should be aloud, but there should be certain time limit you have to do it in.
Yes, I agree. If it's before the 2nd trimester, I'd accept. Any other is too late.
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Life begins at Conception. Your DNA is formed, your gender is finalized and your chromosomes start to create.
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Actually, your gender isn't finalized for weeks. Everyone starts out as a female, and then one of the Y chromosones can stay a Y or go to a X.
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IZ is correct. It's about one of the only things I remember from science class...everyone starts off as female, and then what WOULD be the ovaries can come out of the body and become the...uhm....yeah...with the uhm...scrotum...*runs off*
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Haha, let's try to keep it PG here. :P
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A fetus is a human being it does't matter what sex.