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Off Topic => Everything Else => Debate Den => Topic started by: Banana on October 11, 2004, 05:25:01 pm
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Click here (http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=5880)
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Wait that is hilarious. Hahaha :biggrin:
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It is only an adio.
You don't know if that it real.
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Well, you don't know if maybe it is real too. Either way Kerry is a flip flopper.
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Wow, only a Republican could take things out of context that much. Its actually quite funny how much the maker twisted Kerry's words.
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No he didn't. He was right.
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No he didn't. He was right.
Okay you say that wasn't out of context, yet I bet you condemn Fahrenheit 911
I don't like Michael Moore either, but just because you don't like Kerry doesn't mean everything you hear about him is true
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Okay...to makr you democrats happy:
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=5787 (http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=5787)
This is hillarious, even if you support Bush.
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"And they call him Flipper, Flipper, under the sea"
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/MegWhite_Evenstar/Misc/flipper.jpg)
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I guess you guys have never changed your mind in your life.
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He changes his opinions to get everyone to like him. Those weren't out of context at all. Hey, I am not a big Bush supporter, but he is better then Kerry. Heck, a retarded monkey with one eye could be a better president then Kerry. The point is he is a suck up. His opinions are so easily swayed. First he says that Iraq had WMDs, then he says the president blew it out of proportion? He is not only changed his mind, but he has flip flopped on some very important issues. Issues involving a lot of money.
Heck, I am sure he isn't a bad guy, but his politics are well... very bad. He just changes his mind way to much. He won't be any better then Bush, if not worse.
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Squiddy Posted on Oct 11 2004, 08:59 PM
It is only an adio.
You don't know if that it real.
> For that level of ignorance and denial, you will be rewarded the Crown Of Partisanship which signifies that if Kerry shot your
cmonkey Posted on Oct 11 2004, 09:04 PM
Wow, only a Republican could take things out of context that much. Its actually quite funny how much the maker twisted Kerry's words.
Uh, wtf? It's actual audio clips. He said these things. There's no twisting going on. You have to be deaf, dumb and blind (or just plain biased) to possibly think that somehow the order that the sound clips are played have anything to do with their meaning. Let's see, why isn't there a clip like this of anyone else except Kerry...? Oh, I know! He's the only one who lies THIS BADLY!
GrEeNdAyFrEaK Posted on Oct 12 2004, 11:21 AM
QUOTE (MiraclrPlz @ Oct 12 2004, 09:12 AM)
No he didn't. He was right.
"Okay you say that wasn't out of context, yet I bet you condemn Fahrenheit 911
I don't like Michael Moore either, but just because you don't like Kerry doesn't mean everything you hear about him is true "
Unfortunately, that statement is completely baseless and a bit frightening. So everything we hear about someone (audio clips, newspaper articles, etc) isn't necessarily true. So what do we GO ON THEN? How do we know about someone unless we go by what we see and hear? You go by Farenheit 911 as your guide even though there is no factual basis to the movie, it contradicts itself!
We went to war for oil because we're an evil, imperialistic nation, yet we failed to send enough troops into Iraq. What the ::Dolphin Noise:: kind of backwards logic is that?
You know, it's this kind of "you don't really know what is going on, everything we know could be false so let's just vote Kerry to be safe" insane, cook mentality that's really freaking me out these days. YES WE KNOW KERRY SAID ALL OF THESE THINGS!!! They're on tape, on video in archives all over the world. How, other than complete insanity, can you deny such evidence?
Starr2k3 Posted on Oct 12 2004, 07:35 PM
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I guess you guys have never changed your mind in your life.
Yeah, I have. Sometimes I want to get cashews out of those little quarter vending machines but I choose Peanut M&M's instead. Sometimes I don't get anything at all. But I've never done it and then tried to convince the entire world that I not only DIDN'T change my mind, but that it was all a calculated plan that I had set out from day one. Kerry said he's never changed his mind, he freaking SAID IT DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES!
"I have always been consistent on Iraq". He said it and no matter how much you say, 'i dont no maybe he ment sumthing else' it can't take back what's been done. The guys a loon. He doesn't change his mind ever, he just tells different stories to different people wherever its advantageous to him.
Need I remind you of the "Can I get me a hunting license" quote? From a man trained by the world's finest professors, during his recent hunting trip he says, "Can I get me a hunting license here?" Or did that, despite the fact that I watched and heard it, not actually happen. Is it all a conspiracy? WACKOS is what you Kerry defenders are.
Come on. Argue agaisnt me. You can't. Why? Kerry IS a liar, he IS a cheat and a coward and he's not been consistent. Nobody can defend him. It's impossible.
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Oh yes, George Bush is awesome... </sarcasm>
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i say they both are idiots but i would rather go with the texas idiot
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spongemonkey13 Posted: Oct 24 2004, 06:59 PM
i say they both are idiots but i would rather go with the texas idiot
Have you ever listened to GW speak in an interview? You can't seriously call this man an idiot. I can call you an idiot on the grounds of:
- You don't back up your claims with evidence
- You don't use proper punctuation or capitalization
- Your reason is flawed and fuzzy and hard to follow. Not to mention presumptous and placing high importance on your own opinions, something idiots tend to do.
I can't be sure you are an idiot, but I've provided a much more compelling case than you have.
I agree, though, John F-ing Kerry is an idiot.
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Starr2k3 Posted: Oct 24 2004, 06:51 PM
Oh yes, George Bush is awesome... </sarcasm>
Well, I can't argue against that reasoning. </sarcasm>
Is there something wrong with you?
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spongemonkey13 Posted: Oct 24 2004, 06:59 PM
i say they both are idiots but i would rather go with the texas idiot
Have you ever listened to GW speak in an interview? You can't seriously call this man an idiot. I can call you an idiot on the grounds of:
- You don't back up your claims with evidence
- You don't use proper punctuation or capitalization
- Your reason is flawed and fuzzy and hard to follow. Not to mention presumptous and placing high importance on your own opinions, something idiots tend to do.
I can't be sure you are an idiot, but I've provided a much more compelling case than you have.
I agree, though, John F-ing Kerry is an idiot.
Dude, George W is a huge idiot. He can't string together a simple sentence.
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Prove that he's an idiot, don't just repeat yourself.
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Proof: C- student.
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Wow, I am impressed. What school did he get those grades in?
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The only reason he got into Yale was because of his Dad.
He's an alcoholic and did cocaine earlier in his life.
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Not only in Yale, also in his High School and stuff.
And he could not make it in Yale or through Yale without Dad.
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So what. He drank and took cocaine. Some of the world's most intelligent people have had drug addictions. It doesn't make you stupid that you like to get high or that you like to get a buzz or even straight-up drunk. What is stupid is to keep doing it.
I say he's a great champion because of the simple truth, he quit. Most people can't quit.
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So what. He drank and took cocaine. Some of the world's most intelligent people have had drug addictions. It doesn't make you stupid that you like to get high or that you like to get a buzz or even straight-up drunk. What is stupid is to keep doing it.
I say he's a great champion because of the simple truth, he quit. Most people can't quit.
Hey, the famous people who did drugs weren't smart, they were just talented at music. Like Hendrix, or Cobain.
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Seriously, if we knew everything that everybody had ever done, we could crucify them. It's not the past that matters, it's who these men are today. I believe in forgiveness and I believe that people can change.
I've been addicted to internet smut and dirty pictures of women, before. I've been a glutton pig who weighed over 200 lbs and I've been a very angry person my whole life. So what?
I'm not that person anymore. You can't possibly use the past against me. It doesn't make sense to, it's unfair and dirty to use past mistakes against someone. If you tried to remind me of how fat I was or how much of a pervert I was, I would laugh at you because I have changed! It's who you are today that matters and only the truly miserable try to bring up the past and literally live in it. Done is done, my friends, what do you do now? Where do we go from here?
And mostly, how does being human make you an idiot?
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I find what you say hilarious. You say not to use it against Bush, but people are using Kerry's past against him. Is it okay to do that?! That would be...MORE than hypocrisy...I don't even have a word for that.
"You can't do that to one person but you can to another."
And IZ, I care to differ. Cobain may have dropped out of highschool and did heroine but he was an extremely smart person and spent most of his teenage years reading at the library.
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We are not using the past against Kerry, my dearest. We are using the present. Kerry lies on a daily basis. He lied to black voters not even a month ago, telling them that this election, the conservatives won't stop a million blacks from voting as if last time, that's exactly what happened.
He lies when he talks about his faith in God. Saying that he both will and won't take his faith with him to the white house. He pretends to be someone he isn't, a caring fiscal conservative who fights for the rights of middle-class working families when clearly his interests are anything but. He IS the most liberal man in the senate.
How can you say that something he said last week or five years ago is the past? He was still in office then!
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Oh, I know! The moment someone says something it becomes the past and therefore everything is the past and everything is forgiven, right? That mindset lacks an insight that cannot be explained by someone who has it to someone who does not. But I will say that if you can't make the distinction between who someone is and professes to be or who they profess to be when they clearly are not, you're in for a world of hurt.
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Pardon? Are you purposefully trying to anger me? You conservatives HAVE used Kerry's past against him. For instance, his being in the war and all. Like I really remember what all has been said, but they use it against him. How he never truly fought or something. I think, if you are going to attack me, take your time and realize what it is I'm trying to say.
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Pardon? Are you purposefully trying to anger me? You conservatives HAVE used Kerry's past against him. For instance, his being in the war and all. Like I really remember what all has been said, but they use it against him. How he never truly fought or something. I think, if you are going to attack me, take your time and realize what it is I'm trying to say.
Allow me to clarify what I have said so far, as you seem incapable of understanding anything unless I rephrase it two to three times. His "being in war and all"? Is that even a statement? I think I have some idea as to what you mean, and I'll assume you're asking me about the relevance of his war history. He calls on that to demonstrate why he is a legitimate presidential candidate. He claims to be a war hero and, therefore, he himself has brought us to Vietnam.
Conservatives didn't even know who this guy was until last year when he started making a fool out of himself, touting his silver star and purple hearts. We haven't brought up his past, he did. And we, for that matter, aren't even the ones who dug into his history! It was the SWIFT BOAT VETERANS who did that for us. You'd be surprised at how easy it is to win when you are actually right.
I think the problem here is not that I can't figure out what you're trying to say but that I do understand all-too-well where you're coming from and where you're going. The past has not been used against Kerry in any way that is not relevant to this election today. This man has NOT changed. This man is the same man who protested the war and encouraged our enemy in Vietnam. This is the same man who demonstrated by ALL ACCOUNTS cowardly behavior in war and this is the same man who is indeed a war hero... For our enemies, and as such they have erected a statue to him.
Do you really know all that you think you know? Are you really as well-informed, wise and correct as you think that you are? Or would you even dare to question it?
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Did I EVER say I was 'well-informed, wise and correct'? I am just disproving some of your theories, darling.
And why must you attack me? I swear, you seem like another member. And why do you act like you know so much more than me? Just because I am not an American and do not know EVERYTHING about your stupid politics, doesn't make me stupid. I'd say more...but...I don't want to be banned.
One last thing...let's not forget that your dear Bush didn't go to war at all...
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Did I EVER say I was 'well-informed, wise and correct'? I am just disproving some of your theories, darling.
And why must you attack me? I swear, you seem like another member. And why do you act like you know so much more than me? Just because I am not an American and do not know EVERYTHING about your stupid politics, doesn't make me stupid. I'd say more...but...I don't want to be banned.
One last thing...let's not forget that your dear Bush didn't go to war at all...
:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
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Well, he may not have gone to war, but what Kerry did in the war is much worse then Bush being a "coward". He abandoned his platoon, and recieved purple hearts for injuries that didn't even require hospitilization. Hmm. So does this mean when things fall apart Kerry will abandon America while in office?
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But wait!! Kerrybuster said people change! Remember?
Come on! I'm trying to prove my point...and you just did for me!! lol
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Perhaps you are confused, let me clear it up for you even further:
You have not disproven anything I've said. I have made several successful points and each time I have made one you have not contested me on them. That is why, now, you resort to telling me you don't know everything (read: anything) because you're not even an American. That sounds like an excuse and a cop-out to me, a whole heck of a lot more than it seems like you disproving me.
You have access to the internet. Do some research. Buy a book. But don't go around pretending like you know what you're talking about because, quite frankly, you haven't the slightest clue which way is up and I'm not trying to insult you.
I'm just being honest.
NEWSFLASH: There's something else you must face. Running around typing mockingly about someone else doesn't constitute winning a debate. Repeating what someone else has said with a </sarcasm> will never get you or anyone else anywhere. Look, being right in your own mind is fine but don't think you can go around expecting other people to be equally convinced of it.
In the real world, you have to use actual FACTS and make CLEAR, CONCISE STATEMENTS. Not "you R stupid lolz bush is a coke head and he lied about WMDZZZ!"
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Hrmmm...let me be honest...I read Dude, Where's My Country. Enough said? I probably read more books in one week than you do in one year. Hrmmm...let's see...this week, two animal rights books, a small romance novel and Oooh...a book about whales. Man...maybe I need a life and should stop yelling at conservatives who think everyone but them are wrong.
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Maybe you do need a life! Maybe you should stop yelling at us poor, unfortunate conservatives who just happen to think that because our opinions and morals are grounded firmly in fact and reality we are always right, all of the time!
Please, do go do that. Please get a life that doesn't involve repeating political rhetoric and challenging the thoughts and opinions of us poor imbeciles who have some how gotten the notion that everybody else is wrong but us.
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Maybe you should read posts by the person who started this thread, and you'll understand why I said that. But...meh. I'm Green....and I think Kurt Cobain was a genius when he said "I wish I were gay just so I could [anger] off the homophobics." That's who I am. I can accept your viewpoint. I enjoy debating, but I do NOT like being told I am NOT intelligent. You don't know me.
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Alright Kerrybuster, stop acting as if you're smarter/better than everybody. It's annoying.
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So because I defeat you in a debate, you tell me to stop "acting smarter" than you! Has it occured to you yet that I might actually know what I'm talking about? Or are you only now seeing that no matter how wrong you are proven to be you will maintain your positions? I'm aware that everyone on this board is under the age of thirteen, now.
Otherwise how could you be so easy to take down?
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Funny. I'm 18. I'm in college. I AM Canadian. And I did NOT vote Liberal in the past election in Canada.
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Actually, no. I'm 15, and I'm able to back up what I say. MEEP!'s older and way more intelligent than you. So stop it, or expect an IP ban.
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This goes against my better judgement, but I'm in no immediate violation of any moral laws so here goes:
Then show me your intelligence. Don't leave it up to debate. Let me know you. Show me your infinite wisdom.
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So because I defeat you in a debate, you tell me to stop "acting smarter" than you! Has it occured to you yet that I might actually know what I'm talking about? Or are you only now seeing that no matter how wrong you are proven to be you will maintain your positions? I'm aware that everyone on this board is under the age of thirteen, now.
Otherwise how could you be so easy to take down?
I wasn't even involved in this. I'm just saying don't act as if you're above somebody. Putting up a good debate is one thing. You're putting up a good debate and being rude.
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Okay, fine. I can accept your view on that. I am being rude. I will quit being insulting but I will NOT quit speaking the truth.
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Okay, fine. I can accept your view on that. I am being rude. I will quit being insulting but I will NOT quit speaking the truth.
Since when did you START speaking the truth?
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The truth in YOUR opinion may not necessarily be the truth in MY opinion. For instance, I think whales are a lot smarter than we humans make them out to be. But, most other people don't agree with me. But that statement, to me, is true.
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Truth, by definition, is definite.
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Then religion can not be true. It is not definite unless you have faith. Truth needs to be defined.
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Actually, no. I'm 15, and I'm able to back up what I say. MEEP!'s older and way more intelligent than you. So stop it, or expect an IP ban.
Kevin...sigh. You cannot ban him for that...he is putting up a good debate, and I see nothing wrong with it. There's really no reason to ban him unless he breaks any rules, and there's really no reason to IP ban him unless his warning is up to 100%.
Okay, fine. I can accept your view on that. I am being rude. I will quit being insulting but I will NOT quit speaking the truth.
Thank you...I was going to have to warn you for insulting some members...I know a couple of people on this site that really can't take insults very well. So keep in mind that there are some younger members here, and loosen up on the insults. I'm not trying to get on your back about it or anything, just chill a little, mmkay?
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Proof: C- student.
Not at all. A C- in Yale is better than As in in some places.
The only reason he got into Yale was because of his Dad.
Getting in is one thing but getting out is totally another. His Dad has no effect on whether or not he graduated.
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I have to say that I agree with Elizabeth Rose on this one. Although getting an "A" in high-school or junior high is admirable, it is seen as a great and legendary acheivement to get an "A" in college. To get an "A" in a college that is seen as one of the world's premier places of higher learning is a task few are up to. I would wish to get a "C" in Yale. I doubt that I could, though. I doubt you could even complete one assignment in any class at Yale, Harvard, etc.
Once again baseless, mean-spirited accusations from someone who doesn't really care about the truth but would just rather say what he wishes and hope nobody catches him in his lies. Almost sounds like Kerry...
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I just found this wonferful website showing how Bush can flip-flop too.
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site...WJcP7H&b=118263 (http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263)
Everything is based on newspaper articles, so yeah. don't try and say it's all bull spit.
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It was his dad who payed him to get through... and I would not doubt if his dad payed him to graduate...
He also got C-'s in HIGH SCHOOL.
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Kerry's a idiot. He's for abortion and stuff.
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Kerry's a idiot. He's for abortion and stuff.
"and stuff"
So people with different opinions than yours make them idiots? Do explain.
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Bush's Abortion Flip-Flop?
by David Corn
hich current candidate for President reversed the abortion stand he espoused as a Congressional candidate in the seventies and adopted a position more acceptable to the mainstream of his party? If you said Al Gore, you may be only half right. George W. Bush appears to have done the same.
In 1978, Bush, a 31-year-old oilman, was seeking the Republican nomination in Texas' 19th Congressional District, which included Midland, Odessa and Lubbock. He was locked in a fierce battle with Jim Reese, a veteran campaigner and Reagan Republican. Days before the June 3 primary runoff, Bush was interviewed by a reporter for the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal. Reese had attacked Bush for being cozy with liberal Rockefeller Republicans. In response, Bush listed conservative positions he held. "I'm not for the extension of the time to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment," he told the paper. "I feel the ERA is unnecessary. I'm not for the federal funding of abortions. I've done nothing to promote homosexuality in our society." But he went on to explain his view on abortion. The Avalanche-Journal reported: "Bush said he opposes the pro-life amendment favored by Reese and favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question. 'That does not mean I'm for abortion,' he said."
So, Bush opposed the main goal of the antiabortion movement, a constitutional amendment banning abortion, which the GOP had endorsed. Moreover, he echoed the language of abortion-rights supporters: Abortion is a matter best left to a woman and her doctor. Bush's reported remarks were in step with the family position. His father, who as a Congressman was such a proponent of family planning he was nicknamed Rubbers, supported abortion rights until he became Reagan's running mate in 1980.
The Bush presidential campaign insists that Sylvia Teague, the Avalanche-Journal reporter, misreported Bush's comments. "We consider this [article] a misinterpretation," says Dan Bartlett, a spokesman for George W. Bush. "He is pro-life. He was always opposed to abortion." But Mel Tittle, the current managing editor of the Avalanche-Journal, who was with the paper in the seventies, says of Teague, "To the best of our knowledge, she was a very reliable reporter. I'll let the writing stand for itself." Teague, now an award-winning investigative journalist at KCBS-TV in Los Angeles, maintains, "I have confidence that whatever I wrote then was accurate. I don't recall the Bush [Congressional] campaign coming to me and saying he was misquoted."
Bush beat Reese in the runoff, but he lost the general election. His next race was not until 1994, when he challenged Governor Ann Richards. In that campaign he avoided discussing abortion. "It's not an issue in the 1994 governor's race," he said. His campaign literature noted, "The United States has settled the abortion issue." But Bush did say he opposed abortion except in instances of rape and incest and when a mother's life is in danger--a fundamental change from the remarks that appeared in the Lubbock newspaper. Weeks before the 1994 election, he vowed, "I will do everything in my power to restrict abortions."
Bush won the election, and as Governor, he signed several pieces of antiabortion legislation. As a presidential contender, he has backed a constitutional amendment banning abortion and favored preserving the GOP platform plank that calls for the amendment. He has pronounced himself "pro-life" but has refused to pledge that he will appoint antiabortion judges and select an antiabortion running mate. That has raised suspicions among hard-core anti-choice activists. Yet Jerry Falwell and Henry Hyde have vouched for Bush's views. The National Right to Life Committee endorsed him in February.
After his 1978 defeat, did Bush change his position on abortion to be more electable as a Republican? Earlier in the current campaign, Al Gore's abortion transition was an issue. Although Gore maintained that he had "always" supported abortion rights, as a Congressman in the seventies and early eighties, he cast antiabortion votes and declared that "abortion is wrong" and "innocent human life must be protected." Gore eventually acknowledged, "Yes, my position has changed." The Republicans hammered Gore for being a flip-flopper, and Mindy Tucker, a Bush spokeswoman, said that Bush may use Gore's shift on abortion to show that he'll do anything to get elected. "I think people want to see consistency with their leaders," she explained. With his own consistency in question, Bush might want to refrain from blasting Gore for playing politics with abortion.
So.....that's all the newspaper has to say bout that....lol
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I can call you an idiot because you like George Bush.
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Who are you talking to?
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spongemonkey13 Posted: Oct 24 2004, 06:59 PM
i say they both are idiots but i would rather go with the texas idiot
Have you ever listened to GW speak in an interview? You can't seriously call this man an idiot. I can call you an idiot on the grounds of:
- You don't back up your claims with evidence
- You don't use proper punctuation or capitalization
- Your reason is flawed and fuzzy and hard to follow. Not to mention presumptous and placing high importance on your own opinions, something idiots tend to do.
I can't be sure you are an idiot, but I've provided a much more compelling case than you have.
I agree, though, John F-ing Kerry is an idiot.
Sorry, that was meant for KerryBuster!
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- You don't back up your claims with evidence
- You don't use proper punctuation or capitalization
- Your reason is flawed and fuzzy and hard to follow. Not to mention presumptous and placing high importance on your own opinions, something idiots tend to do.
I can't be sure you are an idiot, but I've provided a much more compelling case than you have.
I agree, though, John F-ing Kerry is an idiot.
woah there. like i said before i am not into politics. if you knew anything about me you would know that yes i can you proper capitalization and all that stuff. using big words doesnt make you smarter or look better when you dont use it in good taste anyways
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Easily Agree'd, Nicole! Kerry is going to win, though. It will be close, unfortunately
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It's really sad to admit but it will be close...
I hear now that the polls are 50% Kerry, 49% Bush, 1% Nadar.