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« on: December 17, 2005, 07:06:05 pm »
I love this man and his intelligence.





Paul Harvey and Prayer




Paul Harvey says:

I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm not going to sue
somebody for singing a Ho-Ho-Ho song in December. I
don't agree with Darwin, but I didn't go out and hire a
lawyer when my high school teacher taught his theory
of evolution.

Life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness will not be
endangered because someone says a 30-second prayer
before a football game.

So what's the big deal? It's not like somebody is up there reading the entire book of Acts. They're just talking to a God they believe in and asking him to grant safety to the players on the field and the fans going home from the game.

"But it's a Christian prayer," some will argue.

Yes, and this is the United States of America, a country
founded on Christian principles. According to our very
own phone book, Christian churches outnumber all others better than 200-to-1. So what would you expect-somebody chanting Hare Krishna?

If I went to a football game in Jerusalem,
I would expect to hear a Jewish prayer.


If I went to a soccer game in Baghdad,
I would expect to hear a Muslim prayer.


If I went to a ping pong match in China,
I would expect to hear someone pray to Buddha.


And I wouldn't be offended.
It wouldn't bother me one bit.
When in Rome ..

"But what about the atheists?" is another argument.

What about them?
Nobody is asking them to be baptized. We're not going to pass the collection plate. Just humor us for 30 seconds. If that's asking too much, bring a Walkman or a pair of ear plugs. Go to the bathroom. Visit the concession stand. Call your lawyer!

Unfortunately, one or two will make that call. One or
two will tell thousands what they can and cannot do.
I don't think a short prayer at a football game is
going to shake the world's foundations.

Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other
cheek while our courts strip us of all our rights. Our
parents and grandparents taught us to pray before
eating; to pray before we go to sleep.

Our Bible tells us to pray without ceasing. Now a
handful of people and their lawyers are telling us
to cease praying.

God, help us.
And if that last sentence offends you,
well ... just sue me.

The silent majority has been silent too long. It's time we let that one or two who scream loud enough to be heard
.... that the vast majority don't care what they want. It
is time the majority rules! It's time we tell them, you don't have to pray; you don't have to say the pledge of allegiance; you don't have to believe in God or attend services that honor Him. That is your right, and we will honor your right. But by golly, you are no longer going to take our rights away. We are fighting back ...
and we WILL WIN!

God bless us one and all ... especially those who denounce Him. God bless America, despite all her faults. She is still the greatest nation of all.

God bless our service men who are fighting to protect
our right to pray and worship God.


May 2006 be the year the silent majority is heard
and we put God back as the foundation of our
families and institutions.

Keep looking up.


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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2005, 07:09:42 pm »
i jus found a new hero...

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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2005, 07:10:27 pm »
I swear, that's like the second greatest thing I've heard all year.

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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2005, 07:11:58 pm »
lol i luv this crazy guy right here, he knowz wutz up.

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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2005, 07:35:35 pm »
Right next to money, religion is the root of all these controversies... more then likely these people may be Christians... they just want a nice little sum of money.

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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2005, 07:37:30 pm »
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Right next to money, religion is the root of all these controversies... more then likely these people may be Christians... they just want a nice little sum of money.
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Yea.. this guy is a Christian, he made that obvious didn't he?

And this he already has money. He's just speaking the truth for once.

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2005, 07:57:00 pm »
I know, what I mean is many people only do it for money. Heck maybe they were not offended at all... it is the age of the frivolous lawsuit afterall.

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2005, 08:12:05 pm »
Amen brother, Amen.  It's time we revolted and started a fuss.

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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2005, 09:01:56 pm »
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I swear, that's like the second greatest thing I've heard all year.
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And..I agree.

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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2005, 10:55:17 pm »
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Amen brother, Amen.  It's time we revolted and started a fuss.
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No kidding. I mean hey, that's what the other side has been doing for so long. What happened to our rights?

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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2005, 12:03:43 am »
I've always like Paul Harvey.  That just shows part of the reason why.

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2005, 08:57:21 am »
Well, no harm in a bit of debate.  This is the debate den after all.
*Puts on his devil's advocate suit*
As Senator Daniel Inouye once said, "I have heard so often in the past few weeks eloquent and good men plead for the chance to let the majority rule. That is, they say, the essence of democracy. I disagree, for to me it is equally clear that democracy does not necessarily result from majority rule, but rather from the forged compromise of the majority with the minority."

While his speech was about filibustering (in 1963, not 2005), it applies here as well.  This isn't about a 30 second prayer before a football game (though I don't doubt there are people in this country who are against that).  It is about the John Scopes monkey trial, antisemitism, xenophobia, racism, and everything related.  It's about protection of the minority.

Nobody is telling anyone to cease praying, the government is simply preventing prayer of any creed being forced upon anyone (Intelligent Design in the classroom, anyone?).

As for the examples of Iraq and Israel, religion is written into the constitutions of the countries.  As in, Iraq was founded as an Islamic state, while Israel was founded as a Jewish state.  America was founded as an agnostic state, in that the government does not acknowledge, support, discourage, or ban any religion, and our Constitution says as much.

As for the country being founded upon Christian ideals, no.  The country was founded upon democratic ideals and inalienable human rights (though both have yet to be achieved).  Ideals and rights you will find both accepted and denied by Christian countries, Islamic countries, Athiest countries, Jewish countries, etc.

This is by no means a complete rebuttal of the original post, nor a complete arguement on it's own.  It is simply an exercize in debate.
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2005, 12:11:22 pm »
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Well, no harm in a bit of debate.  This is the debate den after all.
*Puts on his devil's advocate suit*
As Senator Daniel Inouye once said, "I have heard so often in the past few weeks eloquent and good men plead for the chance to let the majority rule. That is, they say, the essence of democracy. I disagree, for to me it is equally clear that democracy does not necessarily result from majority rule, but rather from the forged compromise of the majority with the minority."

While his speech was about filibustering (in 1963, not 2005), it applies here as well.  This isn't about a 30 second prayer before a football game (though I don't doubt there are people in this country who are against that).  It is about the John Scopes monkey trial, antisemitism, xenophobia, racism, and everything related.  It's about protection of the minority.

Nobody is telling anyone to cease praying, the government is simply preventing prayer of any creed being forced upon anyone
(Intelligent Design in the classroom, anyone?).

As for the examples of Iraq and Israel, religion is written into the constitutions of the countries.  As in, Iraq was founded as an Islamic state, while Israel was founded as a Jewish state.  America was founded as an agnostic state, in that the government does not acknowledge, support, discourage, or ban any religion, and our Constitution says as much.

As for the country being founded upon Christian ideals, no.  The country was founded upon democratic ideals and inalienable human rights (though both have yet to be achieved).  Ideals and rights you will find both accepted and denied by Christian countries, Islamic countries, Athiest countries, Jewish countries, etc.

This is by no means a complete rebuttal of the original post, nor a complete arguement on it's own.  It is simply an exercize in debate.
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It has been that way. No one is forcing anyone to pray. You dont have to believe Intellingent Design just because you are being taught it. I am taught evoloution in school, and I do not believe it
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2005, 03:52:36 pm »
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Well, no harm in a bit of debate.  This is the debate den after all.
*Puts on his devil's advocate suit*
As Senator Daniel Inouye once said, "I have heard so often in the past few weeks eloquent and good men plead for the chance to let the majority rule. That is, they say, the essence of democracy. I disagree, for to me it is equally clear that democracy does not necessarily result from majority rule, but rather from the forged compromise of the majority with the minority."

While his speech was about filibustering (in 1963, not 2005), it applies here as well.  This isn't about a 30 second prayer before a football game (though I don't doubt there are people in this country who are against that).  It is about the John Scopes monkey trial, antisemitism, xenophobia, racism, and everything related.  It's about protection of the minority.

Nobody is telling anyone to cease praying, the government is simply preventing prayer of any creed being forced upon anyone
(Intelligent Design in the classroom, anyone?).

As for the examples of Iraq and Israel, religion is written into the constitutions of the countries.  As in, Iraq was founded as an Islamic state, while Israel was founded as a Jewish state.  America was founded as an agnostic state, in that the government does not acknowledge, support, discourage, or ban any religion, and our Constitution says as much.

As for the country being founded upon Christian ideals, no.  The country was founded upon democratic ideals and inalienable human rights (though both have yet to be achieved).  Ideals and rights you will find both accepted and denied by Christian countries, Islamic countries, Athiest countries, Jewish countries, etc.

This is by no means a complete rebuttal of the original post, nor a complete arguement on it's own.  It is simply an exercize in debate.
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It has been that way. No one is forcing anyone to pray. You dont have to believe Intellingent Design just because you are being taught it. I am taught evoloution in school, and I do not believe it
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The Dover, PA Board of Ed was, until it was stopped by a Federal Court.  Believing in science and believing in religion are entirely different ideas.  One belongs in a science class, the other belongs in a church (or equivalent religious building).
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2005, 03:56:02 pm »
science and religion...?

jus cuz ur a christian or catholic or wutever doeznt mean u cant believe in science...
evolution iz just a scientific theory believed by alotta scientistz.  that dont mean that evolution iz science itself.

oh, and that thing about creation belonging in churchez and evolution in classroomz...thatz ur opinion.  evolution and creation and both beliefz...evolution iz a theory, not a law.  so itz pretty biased to just be showing one side.
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