Topic: I thought I'd share this with you guys.

[IceFox]

science and religion...?

jus cuz ur a christian or catholic or wutever doeznt mean u cant believe in science...
evolution iz just a scientific theory believed by alotta scientistz.  that dont mean that evolution iz science itself.

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I said I do not beleive the theory of evoloution. Evoloution is life science, I think. That doesnt mean I do noit belvie in all of Life Science. I just dont believe  I am an Ape descendant(sp?)

[Lil Loco]

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thatz wut im saying...i dont believe in evolution either.

[cmonkey]

science and religion...?

jus cuz ur a christian or catholic or wutever doeznt mean u cant believe in science...
evolution iz just a scientific theory believed by alotta scientistz.  that dont mean that evolution iz science itself.

oh, and that thing about creation belonging in churchez and evolution in classroomz...thatz ur opinion.  evolution and creation and both beliefz...evolution iz a theory, not a law.  so itz pretty biased to just be showing one side.

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I think you misunderstood what I said.  Intelligent Design isn't science.  Evolution isn't religion.  That doesn't mean religion and science are mutually exclusive, or that evolution and science or Intelligent Design and religion are mutually inclusive.

As for your comment that teaching only evolution is biased, if someone can propose a reasonable alternate theory, I have no problem with it being taught alongside it.  Intelligent Design isn't a reasonable theory, its a joke.

[Lil Loco]

science and religion...?

jus cuz ur a christian or catholic or wutever doeznt mean u cant believe in science...
evolution iz just a scientific theory believed by alotta scientistz.  that dont mean that evolution iz science itself.

oh, and that thing about creation belonging in churchez and evolution in classroomz...thatz ur opinion.  evolution and creation and both beliefz...evolution iz a theory, not a law.  so itz pretty biased to just be showing one side.

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I think you misunderstood what I said.  Intelligent Design isn't science.  Evolution isn't religion.  That doesn't mean religion and science are mutually exclusive, or that evolution and science or Intelligent Design and religion are mutually inclusive.

As for your comment that teaching only evolution is biased, if someone can propose a reasonable alternate theory, I have no problem with it being taught alongside it.  Intelligent Design isn't a reasonable theory, its a joke.

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a joke iz it?


"Not one change of species into another is on record...we cannot prove that a single species has been changed." - Charles Darwin, My Life and Letters

"If it could be domonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." - Charles Darwin, The Origin of The Species

One of evolution's weak points is that it does not have any recognizable way in which conscious life could have emerged." - Sir John Eccles, Nobel Prize Winner in Physiology

"For twenty years I lied to prove that the universe had a materialistic base, but every experiment failed.  I had to conclude that it had a spiritualistic base." - Dr. Bernard Covell, Astrophysicist

There are only two possibilities as to how life arose.  One is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural creative act of God.  There is no third possibiliy.  Spontaneous generation, that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others.  That leaves us with the only possible conclusion that life arose as a supernatural creative act of God.  I will not accept this philisophically because I do not want to believe in God.  Therefore, I choose to believe in what I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution." - Dr. George Wald, Professor Emeritus of Biology at Harvard University, Nobel Prize Winner Physiology

"Evolution is unproved and unprovable.  We believe it only because the only alternative is special creation which is unthinkable." - Arthur Keith


the size, position and angle of the earth iz a phenomenon to see. a few degreez closer to the sun we'd disintegrate, a few degreez furter we'd freeze. the axis of the earth is tilted at a perfect 23 degree angle and itz no mistake that it iz. this allowz equal global distribution to the rayz of the sun making it possible for the food chain to exist.  or take for example the combination of nitrogen and oxygen in the atmosphere we breathe every day. it just happenz to be the exact mix that life needs to prosper, it doesn't happen on any other planet that in our entire system that way.  also, the moon controlz the tides, itz the thing that cleanz the oceanz. even wavez don't crash the shorez for nuthin. the tidez drag impuritiez from the depthz of the sea, it's naturez constant recycling chain.  and it straight bogglez the mind to think that the starz will rotate with such exact precision that itz true. that the atomic clock with an error factor of less than three secondz per millenium is set by the way they move.  u think creation'z so crazy...?  theze are just sum examplez...i'd love to hear hear how it all happened by sum freak accidental occurance.




no disrespect, but dont come to me, calling my belief a joke.

[cmonkey]

Hey, I could pull out just as many quotes showing that creationism is impossible from Nobel Prize Winners and assorted people with Ph Ds.

i'd love to hear hear how it all happened by sum freak accidental occurance.

Go to the nearest University library.  You'll find at least one shelf in the non-fiction section about each of those topics.

[IZ]

Darwin was basically forced to take back what he said about evolution due to the pressures by society of the time.

[Lil Loco]

the bottom line iz...it takez faith to believe in either one.  u believe in evolution, thatz your perogitive...but i aint gonna sit there and take my belief being called a joke from sumone who almighty belief in evolution couldnt even be sustained by itz own creator, who denounced it ever being possible.  look i aint gonna argue, all im sayin iz, i dont appreciate it being called a joke.

and kevin, darwin denounced it because he realized it couldnt work.

[IZ]

the bottom line iz...it takez faith to believe in either one.  u believe in evolution, thatz your perogitive...but i aint gonna sit there and take my belief being called a joke from sumone who almighty belief in evolution couldnt even be sustained by itz own creator, who denounced it ever being possible.  look i aint gonna argue, all im sayin iz, i dont appreciate it being called a joke.

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Read my post above. The people during his time period wouldn't accept anything besides what had been force-fed to them.

Darwin grew up believing in the Bible.

[Lil Loco]

yea...and he wanted a "better" explanation for how thingz came to be, and he developed the theory of evolution.  but toward the end of hiz life, he recorded alot about how the theory just couldnt work...the whole "society pressured him" thing iz b/s.  darwin waz a smart guy but he could find no solid basis for the theory to support itself.

[IZ]

Hmm... I'm reading up on Charles Darwin, and if this is correct, he didn't even stop believing in evolution.

[Lil Loco]

and i bet that hiz own first-person accountz dont mean az much az that right?

[IZ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Hope

Read that.

and if you don't trust Wikpedia, there's the sources at the bottom.

[cmonkey]

the bottom line iz...it takez faith to believe in either one.  u believe in evolution, thatz your perogitive...but i aint gonna sit there and take my belief being called a joke from sumone who almighty belief in evolution couldnt even be sustained by itz own creator, who denounced it ever being possible.  look i aint gonna argue, all im sayin iz, i dont appreciate it being called a joke.

and kevin, darwin denounced it because he realized it couldnt work.

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Creator?  No.  Darwin didn't create evolution.  He discovered and studied it.

[Lil Loco]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Hope

Read that.

and if you don't trust Wikpedia, there's the sources at the bottom.

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i never said darwin reverted back to christianity...i said that he made statementz in hiz own first-person accountz, shooting down hiz own theory.

the bottom line iz...it takez faith to believe in either one.  u believe in evolution, thatz your perogitive...but i aint gonna sit there and take my belief being called a joke from sumone who almighty belief in evolution couldnt even be sustained by itz own creator, who denounced it ever being possible.  look i aint gonna argue, all im sayin iz, i dont appreciate it being called a joke.

and kevin, darwin denounced it because he realized it couldnt work.

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Creator?  No.  Darwin didn't create evolution.  He discovered and studied it.

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he waz the creator or "discoverer" if u wanna call it, of the theory.

but this iz stupid, creation and evolution iznt wut this topic iz even about...so letz get off it.