Topic: Should The Bible Be Taught in Science Class?

[carterhawk]

So here is a poll more clear....i would have to say that what i realy need is to put multiple questions in one poll...but ipb2.0 doesnt allow that....

Each question is followed by its counter point, so you know why you might not want to vote for that choice

Its important to note that you can be a religious, but still believe in evolution. like Darwin for example. You only have conflict when you take the bible literaly, rather than metaphoricaly.

Read This if you are in any way unsure of what a Theory is in science. Do not confuse it with a Hypothoesis or Conjecture. Gravity is a Theory. So dont try to lessen the scientific authenticity of Evolution by saying its a Theory. If you do so, you are also questioning gravity.

[IZ]

Absolutely, positively, 100% no.

[ssj4gogita4]

Absolutely, positively, 100% yes.

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Fixed.

[carterhawk]

and yet SSJ hasnt cast a vote....decisions decisions, eh my boy?

[IZ]

Absolutely, positively, 100% yes.

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Fixed.

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The Bible isn't scientific.

Would you mind if I taught evolution in your church?

[Lil Loco]

in the faith of christianity, creation iz the unquestionable explanation for existance.

if you take a class on evolution, evolution iz the explanation for existance.

in public school science classez, evolution iz not unquestionable law, it is a theory...a belief held by some and not by otherz.  in this instance, if you are going to talk about how the universe came to be...both sidez should be told.

[ssj4gogita4]

and yet SSJ hasnt cast a vote....decisions decisions, eh my boy?

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Don't have to vote.

[Roger]

Even though I'm Christian and a believer in Creationism, I really don't think it belongs in a science classroom.  At least not in middle school.

I can see covering it in high school and college as a way of showing appreciation for diversity.  But it's not something they need to bother too much with in middle school.

[carterhawk]

in the faith of christianity, creation iz the unquestionable explanation for existance.

if you take a class on evolution, evolution iz the explanation for existance.

in public school science classez, evolution iz not unquestionable law, it is a theory...a belief held by some and not by otherz.  in this instance, if you are going to talk about how the universe came to be...both sidez should be told.

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*bangs head on wall*

Read This if you are in any way unsure of what a Theory is in science. Do not confuse it with a Hypothoesis or Conjecture. Gravity is a Theory. So dont try to lessen the scientific authenticity of Evolution by saying its a Theory. If you do so, you are also questioning gravity.

[Lil Loco]

LOL.

GRAVITY IZ A LAW, SMART ONE.  TAKE A LOOK AT A SCIENCE BOOK SOMETIME.

[Roger]

Evolution can't be proven 100%.  Neither can Creationism.

Stop getting overly technical with your definitons, carterhawk, you're trying to make yourself look smarter, when you're managing to make yourself look dumber.

[carterhawk]

LOL.

GRAVITY IZ A LAW, SMART ONE.  TAKE A LOOK AT A SCIENCE BOOK SOMETIME.

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Physical laws are distinguished from scientific theories by their simplicity. Scientific theories are generally more complex than laws; they have many component parts, and are more likely to be changed as the body of available experimental data and analysis develops. This is because a physical law is a summary observation of strictly empirical matters, whereas a theory is a model that accounts for the observation, explains it, relates it to other observations, and makes testable predictions based upon it. Simply stated, while a law notes that something happens, a theory attempts to deal with why or how it happens.

As noted above, in common usage a theory is defined as little more than a guess or a hypothesis. But in science and generally in academic usage, a theory is much more than that. A theory is an established paradigm that explains all or much of the data we have and offers valid predictions that can be tested. In science, a theory is not considered fact or infallible, because we can never assume we know all there is to know. Instead, theories remain standing until they are disproved, at which point they are thrown out altogether or modified to fit the additional data.

Theories start out with empirical observations such as "sometimes water turns into ice." At some point, there is a need or curiosity to find out why this is, which leads to a theoretical/scientific phase. In scientific theories, this then leads to research, in combination with auxiliary and other hypotheses (see scientific method), which may then eventually lead to a theory. Some scientific theories (such as the theory of gravity) are so widely accepted that they are often seen as laws. This, however, rests on a mistaken assumption of what theories and laws are. Theories and laws are not rungs in a ladder of truth, but different sets of data. A law is a general statement based on observations.

[Roger]

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Gravity isn't a theory because we're not interested in why or how...we just know that it happens.

Evolution is a theory because we want to know how and why.  Not just that it happened...

[Lil Loco]

Theory: An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.
Law: Something stated, which is absolute and unquestioned.


YOU gonna question the fact that gravity existz?  cuz i dont think gravity can be questioned by anyone.

how bout you stop tryin to make yourself seem smart for everyone and just debate like a regular person.

[carterhawk]

Definitions of  theory on the Web:

    * a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"
    * hypothesis: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in chemical practices"
      wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


    * A comprehensive explanation of a given set of data that has been repeatedly confirmed by observation and experimentation and has gained general acceptance within the scientific community but has not yet been decisively proven. See also hypothesis and scientific law.
      college.hmco.com/geology/resources/geologylink/glossary/t.html

    * a general principle that explains or predicts facts or events
      education.jlab.org/beamsactivity/6thgrade/vocabulary/

    * a statement or set of statements used to explain a phenomena. A theory is generally accepted as valid due to having survived repeated testing.
      www.carm.org/evolution/evoterms.htm

    * A theory is an abstract formulation of the constant relations between entities or, what means the same thing, the necessary regularity in the concatenation (qv) and sequence of phenomena and/or events. A theory may be true or false. A valid theory attempts to eliminate all contradictions in the application of cause and effect to a given specific situation or set of conditions. The aim of a theory is always success in action. ...
      www.mises.org/easier/T.asp

    * A scientific theory is an established and experimentally verified fact or collection of facts about the world. Unlike the everyday use of the word theory, it is not an unproved idea, or just some theoretical speculation. The latter meaning of a 'theory' in science is called a hypothesis.
      www.whatislife.com/glossary.htm


    * An extremely well-substantiated explanation of some aspects of the natural world that incorporates facts, laws, predictions, and tested hypotheses. (Eg, Einstein's Theory of Gravitation, 1916)
      www.nmsr.org/wrkshp9.htm

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I mean im not one to question such a prestigious place of learning such as PRINCETON, but hey, what do they know compared to....oh wait, you didnt give your sources did you? well hey, if other people can pull information and statistics out of their asses, i suppose your just as qualified.
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@bigcheez:

While a great deal is now known about the properties of gravity, the ultimate cause of the gravitational force remains an open question and gravity remains an important topic of scientific research.

Alternative theories

Historical alternative theories

    * Aristotelian theory of gravity
    * Nikola Tesla challenged Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, announcing he was working on a Dynamic theory of gravity (which began between 1892 and 1894) and argued that a "field of force" was a better concept and focused on media with electromagnetic energy that fill all of space.
    * Induced gravity: In 1967 Andrei Sakharov proposed something similar, if not essentially identical. His theory has been adopted and promoted by Messrs. Haisch, Rueda and Puthoff who, among other things, explain that gravitational and inertial mass are identical and that high speed rotation can reduce (relative) mass. Combining these notions with those of Thomas Townsend Brown, it is relatively easy to conceive how field propulsion vehicles such as "flying saucers" could be engineered given a suitable source of power.
    * LeSage gravity, proposed by Georges-Louis LeSage, based on a fluid-based explanation where a light gas fills the entire universe.
    * Nordström's theory of gravitation, an early competitor of general relativity.
    * Whitehead's theory of gravitation, another early competitor of general relativity.

Recent alternative theories

    * Brans-Dicke theory of gravity
    * Rosen bi-metric theory of gravity
    * In the modified Newtonian dynamics (MOND), Mordehai Milgrom proposes a modification of Newton's Second Law of motion for small accelerations.
    * The new and "highly controversial" Process Physics theory attempts to address gravity
    * The Self creation cosmology theory of gravity in which the Brans-Dicke theory is modified to allow mass creation.
    * The satirical theory of Intelligent falling