Topic: Is Porn Evil?

[carterhawk]

enigmawing, thank you for such a great post compared to the last 3 pages of utter nonsense. This is a thread to debate porn's evilness, not carterhawk or anyone elses stupiditiy with facts. That is for the "are facts needed?" debate thread now.

Did you read the post? do you have comments on the post? or are you judging the debate purely on ones ability to comunicate eloquently :p

Anyways, back on topic.

There is a man named Jack. He has been using every opurtunity he can to promote the Video Games Make Kids Violent angle. Constantly his line is that video games create and promote violent behavior and will turn little timmy into a rampaging killing machine. Now most of the slashdot and fark crowds (lets say minimum 200,000 people) consider this to be total bullplop. Reality is that the vast vast majority of gamers dont go out and run over hookers to steal their money, or sneak into high security foreign embassy's to assassinate diplomats. Nor are they any more likely to go and rob a store, mug someone, etc. Thats from the violence angle.

Now take porn. Because it is sex, not violence, we get a lot more people saying that will turn anyone who enjoys it into rampaging sex machines. Because of some inbuilt view that sex is itself immoral, more people are willing to accept this argument. This isnt any different from the violence issue. The vast majority of people who enjoy porn arent out having foursomes. they arent out raping their neighbors or forcing hookers to give them free sex. ive seen a lot of porn, and i have yet to even feel one iota of urge to go out and force myself on someone.

Everyday we see imagery of violence, death, sadism, horror and criminal behavior on television. its what sells the advertising on primetime tv. millions of people tune into shows like CSI, Law and Order, NCIS. we accept it as a defacto standard that violence is ok. But let the slightest bit of our evolutionaly earned or god given anatomy show and the whole country is in an uproar. Sex and nudity are natural, and humans are the only creatures on the planet to clothe themselves or make sex taboo. compared to the trillions of other lifeforms on the planet, we are the oddballs, the anomoly.

Sex is a good thing, it keeps the species going, and porn is a good thing, it gives people who might not otherwise be able to get sex a way of satisfying a very basic and instinctual drive to mate. Porn provides jobs for thousands of people, provides homes, meals, cars, all manner of luxury items. Porn is taxed, it helps the economy, it helps fund government programs. Hustler casino brings in tax revenue for any city they build one in, helping your schools, your subsidized housing. All because of a pornographic magazine and the empire built around it. Couples make their own porn to spice up their sex life, helping to keep marriages together longer and both people happier. There is a lot of amateur porn out there made people couples who were looking for something new and found it in the video camera. Ive talked to the guy who owns the porn shop and he gets a good number of women who come in looking for toys and porn. Porn is a part of our economy, and a part of our lives. Heck, in the UK a member of parliament if funded in part by a porn magnate. Regardless of whatever shame you feel for your own body or the bodies of others, some of of us are comfortable with ourselves and arent afraid to feel good.

[Chrono]

Oh God...

PORN! IS! EVIL! To me, everything in life is evil. That's just my opinion, because that's how I think.
And I can't prove that all wives get upset when their husbands look at porn, but I have watched the news and it has shown women upset about their husbands looking at porn instead of them. This proves that at least some women get upset when their husbands look at porn, but not all of them.
Also, porn is evil, because it is sex for fun. That's going against the bible. God wants us to have sex to expand Gods kingdom...Now of course, I don't believe anybody will stop having sex for fun, but it's still against the bible...

[VulturEMaN]

enigmawing, thank you for such a great post compared to the last 3 pages of utter nonsense. This is a thread to debate porn's evilness, not carterhawk or anyone elses stupiditiy with facts. That is for the "are facts needed?" debate thread now.

Did you read the post? do you have comments on the post? or are you judging the debate purely on ones ability to comunicate eloquently :p

Anyways, back on topic.

Of course I read the post you pompous fool. And I commented on how great the post was. I'm not here to judge debates, but to moderate them. As a moderator.

gg.

And yes, you can stop the arguing over post 'content' and 'smartness'. Or, in your case, inability to spell 'communicate', because your posts rarely have absolutely no smartness or signifigant content about them.

[Roger]

I'm a bit disappointed in the moderation of this topic.  The post I made which totally showed the stupidity of this entire debate was deleted.

I said that this all a matter of opinion.  You cannot prove either way. 

Not everything in the posts that were deleted was crap...

[Elizabeth Rose]

I'm a bit disappointed in the moderation of this topic.  The post I made which totally showed the stupidity of this entire debate was deleted.

I said that this all a matter of opinion.  You cannot prove either way. 

Not everything in the posts that were deleted was crap...

It's ok, you're still the smartest person on the board.

[VulturEMaN]

I'm a bit disappointed in the moderation of this topic.  The post I made which totally showed the stupidity of this entire debate was deleted.

I said that this all a matter of opinion.  You cannot prove either way. 

Not everything in the posts that were deleted was crap...

Everything inbetween my post on Page 2 and enigmawing's post on Page 5 was all inter-related arguing and whatnot.

Sorry if I wrongly deleted something, but I didn't see it at the time.

-VMaN

[weird_4]

I said yes because people who look at those things are just likeing them for their body.

[carterhawk]

I said yes because people who look at those things are just likeing them for their body.

Now whats wrong with that? There is a whole industry based on modeling. Many young women aspire to be admired for their body's. Is not the human body beautiful?

[enigmawing]

I'd like to take a moment to point out what I *do* believe is evil, and that is selfishness.  Selfishness to the point that people bring harm upon others because they put their own needs first.  Nothing wrong with taking care of yourself mind you, just not at the expense of others.

I try my best to be open-minded, and as I mentioned before I'm in a committed relationship.  I don't have a single doubt about my relationship with him, and the idea of him looking at porn doesn't bother me.  Why?  Because he and I both know it's just fantasy. . . it's not real.  Of course, it would be a different story if he knew I didn't approve and looked at it behind my back regardless, but the same could be said if he sneaked off to the bar under the same circumstances or lied to my face about something.  In this case, doesn't it all come down to trust and respect for your partner's wishes?  So in reality it's not about the porn at all.  I guess my point with this is that couples need to be open and communicate with each other.  Porn is not the evil thing here, it just happens to be one of many possible catalysts that can feed off people's insecurities.  If either you or your partner wants to look at porn (or anything else, for that matter) and the other doesn't approve, for heaven's sake, talk it over and figure out how important the issues are.  When you come to an agreement, respect your partner's wishes.  If you can't come to an agreement, reevaluate your priorities and where you are in life before you wonder where your life went.

I wonder what is considered so evil about graphic depictions (in the literal sense) of something completely natural.  I, for one, absolutely adore the female form.  No clue why.  It doesn't necessarily turn me on, but I see nothing wrong with enjoying it through various forms of art and photography.  I believe there's a clear difference between admiring the human figure and letting it dictate how you feel about a person.  Does that make me shallow, or more importantly, does that make me evil?  I certainly hope not.  I mean, I'm not out to hurt anyone.  I'm basically easy-going, great with kids, have done the occasional volunteer work, and I just happen to be in touch with my sexuality.  And with that last part in mind, I do not force myself upon others, I do not sleep around, and I try my best not to judge others. 

And as for the judgement thing, I hope we can all do the same here without any more flaming.