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So they werre helping Al Queda right?
Quote from: Dan (aka Snowthrower) on June 15, 2006, 07:54:02 pmQuote from: Roger on June 10, 2006, 07:08:15 pmThe war in Iraq and the events of 9/11 are unrelated.I believe thoroughly the war in Iraq happened for a few reasons:1) Bush wanted to finish what his father didn't. The first Bush could have finished the job in Iraq, but instead drew out.2) Our government was thirsty for oil. I know this is cliché, but it seems awfully true. A lot of focus has been placed on oil.3) Hussein really was a major problem. He was a tyrant and definitely needed to be taken from power. He had killed his own people in the past just to test weapons.I think the WMD search was just an excuse to go in. The government knew all along that there were no "Weapons of Mass Destruction," but it gave them an excuse to send troops in, which eventually leads to occupation and restructuring of the Iraqi government.Problem is that this is most likely a lost cause. As soon as the US pulls out, the government that has been set up will probably be toppled again. (Besides, we all know how good the US is at setting up governments for other countries *cough*CUBA*cough*) There is too much opposition to it. Democratic process doesn't work everywhere. Some people can't take complete freedom because they're accustomed to being ruled over. 2. We havent taken a SINGLE barrel of oil from Iraq. Don't say its about oil. We get that from "our friends, (I say as lightly as humanly possible)" the Saudis.3. Agreed.WMDs - We have found WMDs1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium1,500 gallons of chemical weaponsRoadside bomb loaded with sarin gas1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin7lb block of Sodium CyanideImported 4,006 kg of natural uranium and 6,005 kg of depleted uranium (DU) from Italy in 1979Imported 1,767 kg low enriched uranium (LEU) from Italy in 1982Imported almost 50 kg of highly enriched uranium (HEU) from Russia and FranceProcured 429 drums containing 138,098 kg yellowcake from Portugal in 1980Procured 487 drums containing 148,348 kg yellowcake from Portugal in 1982Procured 432 drums containing 137,435 kg of yellowcake from Niger in 1981Procured 426 drums containing 139,409 kg of yellowcake from Niger in 1982Imported 24,260 kg of uranium dioxide from Brazil between 1981-82Produced 109 tonnes of uranium in 168 tonnes of yellowcake at Al Qaim uranium recovery plant, which was constructed between 1982-84Produced 420 drums containing 99,457 kg uranium dioxide at Al Jesira uranium conversion facilityProduced UF6 at Rashdiya Engineering and Design CentreProcessed uranium dioxide to produce UF4, uranium metal and UF6 at Tuwaitha Chemical LaboratoriesProcessed UO2 and yellowcake to produce UO2, U3O8, UO3, UO4, UF4, and uranium metal at TuwaithaExperimental Research Laboratory for Fuel FabricationProcessed UO2 to produce UCl4 at Tuwaitha Chemical Engineering Research laboratories (http://www.iaea.org/OurWork/SV/Invo/factsheet.html) Regarding the toppling: Not going to happen; most Iraq's approve of the current government set-up. Not to mention there will ALWAYS be some troops still there, probably for decades.First, that list of "WMDs" was all stuff that was bought or produced (often with US help) previous to the first Gulf War. Second, by around 1990 Iraq was by some estimates, over 30 years away from creating nuclear weapons.
Quote from: Roger on June 10, 2006, 07:08:15 pmThe war in Iraq and the events of 9/11 are unrelated.I believe thoroughly the war in Iraq happened for a few reasons:1) Bush wanted to finish what his father didn't. The first Bush could have finished the job in Iraq, but instead drew out.2) Our government was thirsty for oil. I know this is cliché, but it seems awfully true. A lot of focus has been placed on oil.3) Hussein really was a major problem. He was a tyrant and definitely needed to be taken from power. He had killed his own people in the past just to test weapons.I think the WMD search was just an excuse to go in. The government knew all along that there were no "Weapons of Mass Destruction," but it gave them an excuse to send troops in, which eventually leads to occupation and restructuring of the Iraqi government.Problem is that this is most likely a lost cause. As soon as the US pulls out, the government that has been set up will probably be toppled again. (Besides, we all know how good the US is at setting up governments for other countries *cough*CUBA*cough*) There is too much opposition to it. Democratic process doesn't work everywhere. Some people can't take complete freedom because they're accustomed to being ruled over. 2. We havent taken a SINGLE barrel of oil from Iraq. Don't say its about oil. We get that from "our friends, (I say as lightly as humanly possible)" the Saudis.3. Agreed.WMDs - We have found WMDs1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium1,500 gallons of chemical weaponsRoadside bomb loaded with sarin gas1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin7lb block of Sodium CyanideImported 4,006 kg of natural uranium and 6,005 kg of depleted uranium (DU) from Italy in 1979Imported 1,767 kg low enriched uranium (LEU) from Italy in 1982Imported almost 50 kg of highly enriched uranium (HEU) from Russia and FranceProcured 429 drums containing 138,098 kg yellowcake from Portugal in 1980Procured 487 drums containing 148,348 kg yellowcake from Portugal in 1982Procured 432 drums containing 137,435 kg of yellowcake from Niger in 1981Procured 426 drums containing 139,409 kg of yellowcake from Niger in 1982Imported 24,260 kg of uranium dioxide from Brazil between 1981-82Produced 109 tonnes of uranium in 168 tonnes of yellowcake at Al Qaim uranium recovery plant, which was constructed between 1982-84Produced 420 drums containing 99,457 kg uranium dioxide at Al Jesira uranium conversion facilityProduced UF6 at Rashdiya Engineering and Design CentreProcessed uranium dioxide to produce UF4, uranium metal and UF6 at Tuwaitha Chemical LaboratoriesProcessed UO2 and yellowcake to produce UO2, U3O8, UO3, UO4, UF4, and uranium metal at TuwaithaExperimental Research Laboratory for Fuel FabricationProcessed UO2 to produce UCl4 at Tuwaitha Chemical Engineering Research laboratories (http://www.iaea.org/OurWork/SV/Invo/factsheet.html) Regarding the toppling: Not going to happen; most Iraq's approve of the current government set-up. Not to mention there will ALWAYS be some troops still there, probably for decades.
The war in Iraq and the events of 9/11 are unrelated.I believe thoroughly the war in Iraq happened for a few reasons:1) Bush wanted to finish what his father didn't. The first Bush could have finished the job in Iraq, but instead drew out.2) Our government was thirsty for oil. I know this is cliché, but it seems awfully true. A lot of focus has been placed on oil.3) Hussein really was a major problem. He was a tyrant and definitely needed to be taken from power. He had killed his own people in the past just to test weapons.I think the WMD search was just an excuse to go in. The government knew all along that there were no "Weapons of Mass Destruction," but it gave them an excuse to send troops in, which eventually leads to occupation and restructuring of the Iraqi government.Problem is that this is most likely a lost cause. As soon as the US pulls out, the government that has been set up will probably be toppled again. (Besides, we all know how good the US is at setting up governments for other countries *cough*CUBA*cough*) There is too much opposition to it. Democratic process doesn't work everywhere. Some people can't take complete freedom because they're accustomed to being ruled over.
Quote from: weird_4 on June 16, 2006, 02:41:00 pmSo they werre helping Al Queda right?Yeah.I am thinking you should talk to your parents about this. They could probably clear everything up for you.
Quote from: cmonkey on June 15, 2006, 08:41:53 pmQuote from: Dan (aka Snowthrower) on June 15, 2006, 07:54:02 pmQuote from: Roger on June 10, 2006, 07:08:15 pmThe war in Iraq and the events of 9/11 are unrelated.I believe thoroughly the war in Iraq happened for a few reasons:1) Bush wanted to finish what his father didn't. The first Bush could have finished the job in Iraq, but instead drew out.2) Our government was thirsty for oil. I know this is cliché, but it seems awfully true. A lot of focus has been placed on oil.3) Hussein really was a major problem. He was a tyrant and definitely needed to be taken from power. He had killed his own people in the past just to test weapons.I think the WMD search was just an excuse to go in. The government knew all along that there were no "Weapons of Mass Destruction," but it gave them an excuse to send troops in, which eventually leads to occupation and restructuring of the Iraqi government.Problem is that this is most likely a lost cause. As soon as the US pulls out, the government that has been set up will probably be toppled again. (Besides, we all know how good the US is at setting up governments for other countries *cough*CUBA*cough*) There is too much opposition to it. Democratic process doesn't work everywhere. Some people can't take complete freedom because they're accustomed to being ruled over. 2. We havent taken a SINGLE barrel of oil from Iraq. Don't say its about oil. We get that from "our friends, (I say as lightly as humanly possible)" the Saudis.3. Agreed.WMDs - We have found WMDs1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium1,500 gallons of chemical weaponsRoadside bomb loaded with sarin gas1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin7lb block of Sodium CyanideImported 4,006 kg of natural uranium and 6,005 kg of depleted uranium (DU) from Italy in 1979Imported 1,767 kg low enriched uranium (LEU) from Italy in 1982Imported almost 50 kg of highly enriched uranium (HEU) from Russia and FranceProcured 429 drums containing 138,098 kg yellowcake from Portugal in 1980Procured 487 drums containing 148,348 kg yellowcake from Portugal in 1982Procured 432 drums containing 137,435 kg of yellowcake from Niger in 1981Procured 426 drums containing 139,409 kg of yellowcake from Niger in 1982Imported 24,260 kg of uranium dioxide from Brazil between 1981-82Produced 109 tonnes of uranium in 168 tonnes of yellowcake at Al Qaim uranium recovery plant, which was constructed between 1982-84Produced 420 drums containing 99,457 kg uranium dioxide at Al Jesira uranium conversion facilityProduced UF6 at Rashdiya Engineering and Design CentreProcessed uranium dioxide to produce UF4, uranium metal and UF6 at Tuwaitha Chemical LaboratoriesProcessed UO2 and yellowcake to produce UO2, U3O8, UO3, UO4, UF4, and uranium metal at TuwaithaExperimental Research Laboratory for Fuel FabricationProcessed UO2 to produce UCl4 at Tuwaitha Chemical Engineering Research laboratories (http://www.iaea.org/OurWork/SV/Invo/factsheet.html) Regarding the toppling: Not going to happen; most Iraq's approve of the current government set-up. Not to mention there will ALWAYS be some troops still there, probably for decades.First, that list of "WMDs" was all stuff that was bought or produced (often with US help) previous to the first Gulf War. Second, by around 1990 Iraq was by some estimates, over 30 years away from creating nuclear weapons.That stuff was supposed to be DESTROYED per U.N. weapons treaties. Saddam was NOT supposed to have it. And those weapons are STILL weapons.
I voted yes. They terrorized us, and now we're going in there and giving them what they deserve.
Quote from: George W. Bush on June 17, 2006, 09:29:46 amI voted yes. They terrorized us, and now we're going in there and giving them what they deserve.Iraq didn't even threaten us, let alone "terrorize" us.
Quote from: IZ on June 17, 2006, 01:53:20 pmQuote from: George W. Bush on June 17, 2006, 09:29:46 amI voted yes. They terrorized us, and now we're going in there and giving them what they deserve.Iraq didn't even threaten us, let alone "terrorize" us.Traitor! You're Un-American.
Quote from: George W. Bush on June 17, 2006, 06:43:44 pmQuote from: IZ on June 17, 2006, 01:53:20 pmQuote from: George W. Bush on June 17, 2006, 09:29:46 amI voted yes. They terrorized us, and now we're going in there and giving them what they deserve.Iraq didn't even threaten us, let alone "terrorize" us.Traitor! You're Un-American.Oh, I didn't realize who you actually were.
^Am I supposed to believe you're Bush?
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