Author Topic: Hmmm.... (Read 23992 times)

VulturEMaN · « **on:** April 19, 2007, 09:42:16 am »

During my English 102 class today, with a female professor who graduated from CMU and has a doctorate, I questioned her thoughts on a Shakespeare play (The Merchant of Venice) and she threw me out of the class.

She thought that because someone would willingly sacrifice everything they own to save a friend implies that they are gay. Her only reasoning she mentioned in class was that, at the beginning of the play, one guy was worried for the other guy when he mentioned wanting to marry a woman.

My thoughts tell me that you would worry for a close friend who wants to just randomly marry a woman who you've met only in passing, and that some friendships are thick enough where you'd sacrifice yourself to save your friend.

What do you think?

J.R. · « **Reply #1 on:** April 19, 2007, 12:54:57 pm »

"There is no greater love than to lay down one's life for one's friends." - John 15:13

Your professor's reasoning is stupid...Just because you have a doctorate, doesn't mean you know everything.

Patback399 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 19, 2007, 02:28:30 pm »

There are some hints towards homosexuality, but not enough to adequately prove that the character is gay.

Daniel · « **Reply #3 on:** April 19, 2007, 03:53:53 pm »

WTF.

Everything is Homosexual if you choose to look at it that way.

VulturEMaN · « **Reply #4 on:** April 19, 2007, 06:55:43 pm »

Quote from: J.R. on April 19, 2007, 12:54:57 pm

"There is no greater love than to lay down one's life for one's friends." - John 15:13

Your professor's reasoning is stupid...Just because you have a doctorate, doesn't mean you know everything.

THANK YOU SO MUCH

The play mentions alot of other biblical references, and THAT MUST BE ANOTHER ONE.

YOU ARE THE FKIN MAN

ZOMG AM I GONNA FACE PWN HER SOOOOOO HARRRRRDDDDD

Elizabeth Rose · « **Reply #5 on:** April 19, 2007, 08:06:55 pm »

Your teacher is a dumbass. Some people are educated beyond their intelligence. It is perfectly normal to lay down your life for a friend. I mean, I have several girls that I would die for right now, but I like boys far too much to be a lesbian.

J.R. · « **Reply #6 on:** April 19, 2007, 09:29:10 pm »

Quote from: VulturEMaN on April 19, 2007, 06:55:43 pm

Quote from: J.R. on April 19, 2007, 12:54:57 pm
"There is no greater love than to lay down one's life for one's friends." - John 15:13

Your professor's reasoning is stupid...Just because you have a doctorate, doesn't mean you know everything.

THANK YOU SO MUCH

The play mentions alot of other biblical references, and THAT MUST BE ANOTHER ONE.

YOU ARE THE FKIN MAN

ZOMG AM I GONNA FACE PWN HER SOOOOOO HARRRRRDDDDD

Hahah, no problem man.

John13 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 11, 2007, 11:23:14 pm »

THe teacher has no right to force a opinion on you that is why it is called YOUR opinion, also I had a teacher that through me out of class because I wrote a website that was better than hers.

Goofy_Goober_Girl · « **Reply #8 on:** June 06, 2007, 08:36:09 pm »

you know what, your teacher was being really immature for throwing you out of class for disagreeing with her. Aren't you supposed to disscuss the play using your opinions?

I have the same view as Elizabeth Rose. I would lay down my life for my Female cousin Annie Danielle. That doesn't mean I am lesbian or am attracted to my family member. She's like a sister to me. I'd be willing to lay down my life for my female best friend Natalie. That deson't make me lesbian. you're teacher's a really retarded butthole.

DiE HaRrD PuNk · « **Reply #9 on:** June 29, 2007, 02:47:57 am »

Everything you do these days is considered homosexual.

Next thing you know wearing a paper bag over your head will be considered homeosexual..

Band8PGeek · « **Reply #10 on:** July 04, 2007, 03:46:16 am »

I find homosexuality in everything these days. Watching Othello, I see blatant Iago/Othello innuendo. When it comes to Harry Potter, I see Harry/Draco. Heck - I watched Cinderella III and saw Gus/Jaq. O_o
The difference between what I'M doing and what this teacher is doing is that I don't try to force my pairings and opinions on everybody else. I wouldn't get on to somebody for liking SpongeBob/Patrick (which I don't, in case you were wondering

).

Quote from: Daniel on April 19, 2007, 03:53:53 pm

Everything is Homosexual if you choose to look at it that way.

Damn straight. ---Oops. I mean, "damn [insert sexuality here]".

EDIT: Whoa. Just discovered new smily... O_o

Goofy_Goober_Girl · « **Reply #11 on:** August 15, 2007, 10:13:56 pm »

Sometimes my teachers try to force thier opinions on us, like they know everything and everything they say is right because they have a college degree. it's like science teachers trying to force thier beliefs/opinions about evolution on Christians.

Patback399 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 16, 2007, 06:38:33 am »

Quote from: Goofy_Goober_Girl on August 15, 2007, 10:13:56 pm

Sometimes my teachers try to force thier opinions on us, like they know everything and everything they say is right because they have a college degree. it's like science teachers trying to force thier beliefs/opinions about evolution on Christians.

Evolution should be taught in schools, as it is a scientific theory.

IZ · « **Reply #13 on:** August 16, 2007, 12:30:02 pm »

and before anyone jumps in...

a theory does NOT mean guess.

IceFox · « **Reply #14 on:** August 16, 2007, 01:04:34 pm »

Quote from: Patback399 on August 16, 2007, 06:38:33 am

Quote from: Goofy_Goober_Girl on August 15, 2007, 10:13:56 pm
Sometimes my teachers try to force thier opinions on us, like they know everything and everything they say is right because they have a college degree. it's like science teachers trying to force thier beliefs/opinions about evolution on Christians.

Evolution should be taught in schools, as it is a scientific theory.

Errr...I may be wrong, but I don't think GGG meant teaching, I meant pushing, which does happen.

But on the subject of Evolution in schools - yes teach it - as a theory, not as a fact as it so-often taught as.

IZ · « **Reply #15 on:** August 16, 2007, 04:55:02 pm »

Quote from: IceFox on August 16, 2007, 01:04:34 pm

Quote from: Patback399 on August 16, 2007, 06:38:33 am
Quote from: Goofy_Goober_Girl on August 15, 2007, 10:13:56 pm
Sometimes my teachers try to force thier opinions on us, like they know everything and everything they say is right because they have a college degree. it's like science teachers trying to force thier beliefs/opinions about evolution on Christians.

Evolution should be taught in schools, as it is a scientific theory.
Errr...I may be wrong, but I don't think GGG meant teaching, I meant pushing, which does happen.

But on the subject of Evolution in schools - yes teach it - as a theory, not as a fact as it so-often taught as.

once again, theory doesn't mean it's not a fact.

the difference between a law and a theory is that a law states that something happens, and a theory states why it happens.

J.R. · « **Reply #16 on:** August 16, 2007, 05:03:03 pm »

Doesn't mean it is a fact.

IZ · « **Reply #17 on:** August 16, 2007, 05:12:27 pm »

Quote from: J.R. on August 16, 2007, 05:03:03 pm

Doesn't mean it is a fact.

I know that, but when people use it in that context, it bothers me.

IceFox · « **Reply #18 on:** August 16, 2007, 05:45:30 pm »

Quote from: IZ on August 16, 2007, 05:12:27 pm

Quote from: J.R. on August 16, 2007, 05:03:03 pm
Doesn't mean it is a fact.
I know that, but when people use it in that context, it bothers me.

What context? My point was that it needs to be taught as a theory, because that's what it is. It is not a proven fact, and there are other theories out there. It's probably the strongest theory, and probably is a fact, although that does not mean you say it is one until it's actually proven

IZ · « **Reply #19 on:** August 16, 2007, 05:53:17 pm »

Quote from: IceFox on August 16, 2007, 05:45:30 pm

Quote from: IZ on August 16, 2007, 05:12:27 pm
Quote from: J.R. on August 16, 2007, 05:03:03 pm
Doesn't mean it is a fact.
I know that, but when people use it in that context, it bothers me.
What context? My point was that it needs to be taught as a theory, because that's what it is. It is not a proven fact, and there are other theories out there. It's probably the strongest theory, and probably is a fact, although that does not mean you say it is one until it's actually proven

what else would it be taught as besides a theory?

J.R. · « **Reply #20 on:** August 16, 2007, 06:51:46 pm »

Absolute undesputed truth.

spongehead 32 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 17, 2007, 03:08:13 pm »

There is no such thing as external absolute undesputed truth, the skeptic will always find something to doubt.

SpongeBrain · « **Reply #22 on:** August 17, 2007, 04:47:23 pm »

Nothing can actually be "absolute truth" because there is ALWAYS a possibility of everything.

Patback399 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 21, 2007, 08:54:47 am »

Quote from: SpongeBrain on August 17, 2007, 04:47:23 pm

Nothing can actually be "absolute truth" because there is ALWAYS a possibility of everything.

What about the existence of one's own self? Can't that be proven by one's own self, sir?!

IceFox · « **Reply #24 on:** August 21, 2007, 09:23:08 am »

I deny your reality and substitute my own.

Patback399 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 21, 2007, 09:25:19 am »

Quote from: IceFox on August 21, 2007, 09:23:08 am

I deny your reality and substitute my own.

We're not the Mythbusters here!

I never understood that quote anyway.

Daniel · « **Reply #26 on:** August 21, 2007, 09:26:25 am »

Neither did I..

New avatar ftw!

SpongeBrain · « **Reply #27 on:** August 21, 2007, 12:54:57 pm »

Quote from: Patback399 on August 21, 2007, 08:54:47 am

Quote from: SpongeBrain on August 17, 2007, 04:47:23 pm
Nothing can actually be "absolute truth" because there is ALWAYS a possibility of everything.

What about the existence of one's own self? Can't that be proven by one's own self, sir?!

What if... WE WERE ALL A SIMULATION MWAHAHHAHAHA

Patback399 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 21, 2007, 02:12:28 pm »

Quote from: SpongeBrain on August 21, 2007, 12:54:57 pm

Quote from: Patback399 on August 21, 2007, 08:54:47 am
Quote from: SpongeBrain on August 17, 2007, 04:47:23 pm
Nothing can actually be "absolute truth" because there is ALWAYS a possibility of everything.

What about the existence of one's own self? Can't that be proven by one's own self, sir?!
What if... WE WERE ALL A SIMULATION MWAHAHHAHAHA

But just the fact that I have a conciousness allows me to prove I exist.

SpongeBrain · « **Reply #29 on:** August 21, 2007, 06:08:21 pm »

Quote from: Patback399 on August 21, 2007, 02:12:28 pm

Quote from: SpongeBrain on August 21, 2007, 12:54:57 pm
Quote from: Patback399 on August 21, 2007, 08:54:47 am
Quote from: SpongeBrain on August 17, 2007, 04:47:23 pm
Nothing can actually be "absolute truth" because there is ALWAYS a possibility of everything.

What about the existence of one's own self? Can't that be proven by one's own self, sir?!
What if... WE WERE ALL A SIMULATION MWAHAHHAHAHA

But just the fact that I have a conciousness allows me to prove I exist.

That's what youre PROGRAMMED to feel!!!!!!!!

Burnam Wood · « **Reply #30 on:** August 24, 2007, 03:01:31 pm »

Having actually read "The Merchant of Venice" many times...

I feel that when it comes to text, any text, if it's not written outright, it's open to interpretation. Your teacher is an idiot for choosing not to listen to your theory. While there is no hard evidence that Antonio is a gay man, it's certainly possible.

On a side note, it's interesting to me that the majority of the people who bring up this discussion and believe that Antonio is, in fact, a homosexual, are straight themselves.

Patback399 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 24, 2007, 03:43:24 pm »

Quote from: Burnam Wood on August 24, 2007, 03:01:31 pm

Having actually read "The Merchant of Venice" many times...

I feel that when it comes to text, any text, if it's not written outright, it's open to interpretation. Your teacher is an idiot for choosing not to listen to your theory. While there is no hard evidence that Antonio is a gay man, it's certainly possible.

On a side note, it's interesting to me that the majority of the people who bring up this discussion and believe that Antonio is, in fact, a homosexual, are straight themselves.

What are you implying?

You know, Shakespeare was gay. He usually had ten to twenty boyfriends at a time.

Burnam Wood · « **Reply #32 on:** August 24, 2007, 05:11:07 pm »

You always bring that up in almost every debate. Remember when Saddam was hanged? You brought that up. Get a newspaper, man. Shakespeare's been dead for 400 years.

VulturEMaN · « **Reply #33 on:** August 25, 2007, 10:06:51 pm »

old news. noob that started this topic hung himself after the first 20 replies.

oh wait...

*dead*

News:

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