Topic: Body modification, does it belong in the work place?

[oscar_the_grouch]

Body modification is becoming more accepted. Seeing someone with visable tatoos or piercings isn't too unusual now a days. However having tatoos and piercings in visibale areas is frowned apon and some times rejected in the word enviorment. Should people be judged based on the personal choice of being modified? Are there certain jobs you see it as acceptable and others not? Should you be aloud to request someone take out their piercings or cover their tatoos? Thoughts that go through your head when you see someone who is noticably modified?

How about extreme body modifications? Like tatooed faces, stretched ears, lip plates, implants, ect. Opinions?

Some of you know and some of you don't but I a have body modifications. Nothing extreme. I have 14 gauge snake bites, a 16 gauge septum, and a 14 gauge navel. Obviously my opinion is going to be different then someone without piercings. I think you should make your judgements based on the individual and not their appearance.

[VulturEMaN]

simple pierced ears should be allowed to have simple earings

besides that, nothing else should be allowed in the workplace.

[Dragon Of Grief]

I have a peircing in each ear personally... but it depends on where you work. If you are working for a law firm and making $1,000,000 a year I don't think it is a good idea to go into work with gaged earrings, belly button rings, noserings that attach to your ear, industrial bars going through your eyebrows, etc. If you were working for say a store like hot topic then it wouldn't matter as much. My cousin got turned down a job at McDonald's thoug because she had a tattoo on her neck with her ex-boyfriend's name on it. Haha. It just depends on where you work.

[J.R.]

You shouldn't be sporting these crazy extreme piercings/tats if you're workin for a high-end corporation or somethin making all this money.  I don't see anything anything wrong with have some piercings or tats though.  Like Paige, I don't see anything wrong with yur piercings for instance. 

It's sad when you think about it though...Some body modifications are looked down on, but others aren't.  Someone could get turned down for a job cuz they've got snake-bites or a tat on their arm but that same person could lose that job to some chick who went and got her tits done and has 20 pounds of silicon in her chest.

[IceFox]

If you have things like nose rings and such, take them out or flip them up during work. And cover tattoos if you have a lot. Things are just more professional. However, do not require employees to remove tattoos or let their piercings fill (I know someone who was requested this and quit)

[Elizabeth Rose]

I believe in looking professional if you have a professional job. Otherwise, I don't care.

Ooh, this guy I know has the nice dragon tattoo on his back/chest. Tis tres cool.

[oscar_the_grouch]

What makes piercings look less "professional"?

I am the type who takes my  piercings out for work, horse shows, weddings ect. Mine have been fully healed for quite some time now and won't grow over. It's more out of respect because they don't always sit well with everyone but I've never really understood why they lack a professional quality.

[VulturEMaN]

Because there aren't many people who have made it big and are millionaires that sport crazy piercings. Maybe 1% of the big time moneymakers.

So the silent stereotype exists between older folk that lots of earings or tats = unsuccessful, stupid person.

[IceFox]

It's kind of like why you aren't supposed to wear PJ's on Conan.

[Patback399]

It's kind of like why you aren't supposed to wear PJ's on Conan.

You know Conan is totally cool with guests wearing PJs.

[oscar_the_grouch]

Isn't it a form of discrimination though? Who made up these "rules" anyways? If you have the ability for the job why should your ethnic background, sexuality, or appearance matter?

That being said I doubt the worlds veiws will be changing on the subject any time soon. Maybe in tiny steps but it'll be awhile before it's considered the norm.

[VulturEMaN]

because for most entry level jobs where people complain about this kinda stuff, the earings can be listed as hazards to your job.

[oscar_the_grouch]

When it really comes down to it everything is hazardous. Having long hair is a saftey hazard yet tons of females have long hair. No one expects them to chop off their locks. They've found an alternative.  They tie their hair back.

[IceFox]

When it really comes down to it everything is hazardous. Having long hair is a saftey hazard yet tons of females have long hair. No one expects them to chop off their locks. They've found an alternative.  They tie their hair back.

It's the same reason there a dress codes. They aren't there to discriminate against you, they are there to look more professional, thus attracting more customers.

[oscar_the_grouch]

When it really comes down to it everything is hazardous. Having long hair is a saftey hazard yet tons of females have long hair. No one expects them to chop off their locks. They've found an alternative.  They tie their hair back.

It's the same reason there a dress codes. They aren't there to discriminate against you, they are there to look more professional, thus attracting more customers.

There is always going to be something you think looks "wrong", "tacky", "dumb" ect. If we keep saying it doesn't belong then it will never belong therefore it will offend more people because they haven't been exposed to it. Dress codes may not mean to discriminate but they do take away someone's right to be an indivdual in every aspect of their life. Image may not be everything to everyone but it means a lot to some. Especially people who have devoted money and time to get their mods done professionally, heal them, and maybe even stretch them. It is not causing anyone harm (except maybe the person who has them done) so why should it matter? If you are an adult who is serious about your profession then people should be able to look passed modifications.

[Elizabeth Rose]

But they don't. No matter where you go, someone is gonna complain. Sure, that may change in the future, but it's unlikely to be anytime soon. It's an unfortunate fact of life, but we have to live up to these "standards". In today's society image DOES matter!

[oscar_the_grouch]

Then why not let them complain? Why not start changing the norm now? Why wait for the future change? Why not change it now?

[IceFox]

Then why not let them complain? Why not start changing the norm now? Why wait for the future change? Why not change it now?

Because it isn't worth the loss of business.

[VulturEMaN]

do you really think that there will be a loss of business if someone leaves their earings in?

[J.R.]

Lol unless the person's got hooks coming out of their back or somethin, I don't think so.

[IceFox]

The way this thread is going we are discussing heavy modifications, and yes, I do believe that even at this day in age, people will be a little less than respectful to those with body modifications.

[VulturEMaN]

if it's a funeral or a fortune 500 business, maybe. but if i'm buying my groceries, i could give a crap if someone has an earing in.

[oscar_the_grouch]

The way this thread is going we are discussing heavy modifications, and yes, I do believe that even at this day in age, people will be a little less than respectful to those with body modifications.

I know people who are a little less respectful of Africans, east indians, asians, caucasians, females, males, tall people, short people, skinny people, fat people, ugly people, mentally disabled people ect. Everyone considers that to be wrong. Saying body modification isn't okay somewhere because people are going to be frowning apon it is just like saying you aren't going to hire the fat man because his weight might offend someone.

[IceFox]

The way this thread is going we are discussing heavy modifications, and yes, I do believe that even at this day in age, people will be a little less than respectful to those with body modifications.

I know people who are a little less respectful of Africans, east indians, asians, caucasians, females, males, tall people, short people, skinny people, fat people, ugly people, mentally disabled people ect. Everyone considers that to be wrong. Saying body modification isn't okay somewhere because people are going to be frowning apon it is just like saying you aren't going to hire the fat man because his weight might offend someone.

I didn't say offend. Listen, employers want a professional environment. What is professional? Suits, ties, etc. Why? Because they, to the vast majority, are eye pleasing and not distracting. I do not mind body modification, but you need to understand why piercing and tattoos all over your body is frowned upon in high class/highly professional environments.

And that's why. Same reason you need to wear the same clothes as everyone when you work at a grocery store or a Wally world.

[VulturEMaN]

So you're saying that we should conform to the norm for the 1% of the population that'll complain about a slightly visible neck tattoo?

[IceFox]

So you're saying that we should conform to the norm for the 1% of the population that'll complain about a slightly visible neck tattoo?

>_<

No, I am saying that if you have excessive amounts of piercing/tats, you conceal them.

[VulturEMaN]

And I'm saying that if you have a little bit, they still make you cover it. Who draws the line?

[IceFox]

And I'm saying that if you have a little bit, they still make you cover it. Who draws the line?

I am not saying that cover it if you have a little bit, that's fine, but I think if you have like full body tattoos (pretty common among those who have tats) and piercings all over is the line.

[VulturEMaN]

And I'm saying that if you have a little bit, they still make you cover it. Who draws the line?

I am not saying that cover it if you have a little bit, that's fine.

I was done arguing with you silly

I'm saying that while you and I both say that it's fine, many others out there don't think so.

[DiE HaRrD PuNk]

Many employers see tattoos and peircings bad for buisness. It is frowned upon because that is not the image that the store wants to set out.
Many people porcieve having peircings and noticeable tattoos as a way to draw attention to yourself.

Employers do not want more attention drawn to a person then their merchandise.
Now Hot Topic, for instance, wants a certain look and feel put out about it.

The scary store that old people have heart attacks just looking at.
They sell the merchandise, studs, gauges, rings, ect., and the employees having that is simply a way to advertise. Every store and person has a certain appeal and image it wants to present, and being "different" simply will not cut it in the work force.

It does distract people , it is not natural, and it is not part of your body. Therefor adults will complain.

Fake boobs may not be natural, but boobs are a part of your body. Making them bigger can be a distraction, but its a normal distraction.. Hooters, for instance, hires pretty girls with big boobs. Why? Well look at all the men who love the "chicken wings" there.

Everything an Employer puts out is supposed to porcieve a certain look, image, and feel to its customers. Nose rings, gauges, and pink hair isn't what the buisness wants to be remembered and known for.

[Scilla]

A little body mod is okay, but if youre trying to be proffesional with huge gauged ears, peircings up your ying yang and whatnot, and just weirdlooking, i say no.

[IceFox]

Many employers see tattoos and peircings bad for buisness. It is frowned upon because that is not the image that the store wants to set out.
Many people porcieve having peircings and noticeable tattoos as a way to draw attention to yourself.

Employers do not want more attention drawn to a person then their merchandise.
Now Hot Topic, for instance, wants a certain look and feel put out about it.

The scary store that old people have heart attacks just looking at.
They sell the merchandise, studs, gauges, rings, ect., and the employees having that is simply a way to advertise. Every store and person has a certain appeal and image it wants to present, and being "different" simply will not cut it in the work force.

It does distract people , it is not natural, and it is not part of your body. Therefor adults will complain.

Fake boobs may not be natural, but boobs are a part of your body. Making them bigger can be a distraction, but its a normal distraction.. Hooters, for instance, hires pretty girls with big boobs. Why? Well look at all the men who love the "chicken wings" there.

Everything an Employer puts out is supposed to porcieve a certain look, image, and feel to its customers. Nose rings, gauges, and pink hair isn't what the buisness wants to be remembered and known for.

Thank you for explaining everything I was trying to say, only 12 billion times better.

[DiE HaRrD PuNk]

Many employers see tattoos and peircings bad for buisness. It is frowned upon because that is not the image that the store wants to set out.
Many people porcieve having peircings and noticeable tattoos as a way to draw attention to yourself.

Employers do not want more attention drawn to a person then their merchandise.
Now Hot Topic, for instance, wants a certain look and feel put out about it.

The scary store that old people have heart attacks just looking at.
They sell the merchandise, studs, gauges, rings, ect., and the employees having that is simply a way to advertise. Every store and person has a certain appeal and image it wants to present, and being "different" simply will not cut it in the work force.

It does distract people , it is not natural, and it is not part of your body. Therefor adults will complain.

Fake boobs may not be natural, but boobs are a part of your body. Making them bigger can be a distraction, but its a normal distraction.. Hooters, for instance, hires pretty girls with big boobs. Why? Well look at all the men who love the "chicken wings" there.

Everything an Employer puts out is supposed to porcieve a certain look, image, and feel to its customers. Nose rings, gauges, and pink hair isn't what the buisness wants to be remembered and known for.

Thank you for explaining everything I was trying to say, only 12 billion times better.

Haha no problem. Had to think a while before posting that..

[GIR]

tats are accdeptabel as long as they are not easily visible while wearing formal clothes.