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is sony TRYING to lose?
« on: July 13, 2007, 07:25:13 am »
"SCEE president David Reeves has told GamesIndustry.biz that the 60GB PlayStation 3 will no longer be available in the US after stock sells out - which he predicts will occur by the end of the month."

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26704

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Re: is sony TRYING to lose?
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2007, 12:29:09 pm »
they'll just make the upgrade to 60 easier to manage.

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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2007, 02:28:54 pm »
they probably think its going to be just like the 20 gig...as in no one will want it when they can have 20 gigs more for $100 more.

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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2007, 03:26:29 pm »
they probably think its going to be just like the 20 gig...as in no one will want it when they can have 20 gigs more for $100 more.

Probly.

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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2007, 03:56:14 pm »
they probably think its going to be just like the 20 gig...as in no one will want it when they can have 20 gigs more for $100 more.

Probly.
yeah,I think its actually a smart move...why support two consoles if people are only buying one?

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Re: is sony TRYING to lose?
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2007, 07:20:40 pm »
they probably think its going to be just like the 20 gig...as in no one will want it when they can have 20 gigs more for $100 more.

Probly.
yeah,I think its actually a smart move...why support two consoles if people are only buying one?
Here's the thing - most people would not buy a PS3 in the first place because it was...you guessed it...TO EXPENSIVE!

The price drop to $500, whilst still expensive, opened up the possibility of a sales boost to their console. After their E3 show, whilst still having a burning hate for them, I was slowly beginning to think they were actually doing better (President is gone...) and then they do this which is just...bad.

Also, people were buying the 60 gig model. The 80 gig model isn't even out until August, people are only able to buy one as they discontinued the previous model (20 gigs) due to piss poor sales.

People cared about having an extra 40 gigs and would pay a hundred bucks more. But this is a 20 GB difference.

Also, Xbox 360 Elite has a 120 GB HDD and an HDMI port, it's only $447

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2007, 04:22:48 am »
they probably think its going to be just like the 20 gig...as in no one will want it when they can have 20 gigs more for $100 more.

Probly.
yeah,I think its actually a smart move...why support two consoles if people are only buying one?
Here's the thing - most people would not buy a PS3 in the first place because it was...you guessed it...TO EXPENSIVE!

The price drop to $500, whilst still expensive, opened up the possibility of a sales boost to their console. After their E3 show, whilst still having a burning hate for them, I was slowly beginning to think they were actually doing better (President is gone...) and then they do this which is just...bad.

Also, people were buying the 60 gig model. The 80 gig model isn't even out until August, people are only able to buy one as they discontinued the previous model (20 gigs) due to piss poor sales.

People cared about having an extra 40 gigs and would pay a hundred bucks more. But this is a 20 GB difference.

Also, Xbox 360 Elite has a 120 GB HDD and an HDMI port, it's only $447
Yes and previous xbox 360 owners have to pay another $100 for the 120 gig hard drive.And I mean if you think about it it all adds up very quickly...$400 for the console,60 bucks a pop for games,$5 a month for online,$200 for the hd dvd add on,even more on accessories.Not to mention batteries for the controller.
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Re: is sony TRYING to lose?
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2007, 07:45:30 am »
they probably think its going to be just like the 20 gig...as in no one will want it when they can have 20 gigs more for $100 more.

Probly.
yeah,I think its actually a smart move...why support two consoles if people are only buying one?
Here's the thing - most people would not buy a PS3 in the first place because it was...you guessed it...TO EXPENSIVE!

The price drop to $500, whilst still expensive, opened up the possibility of a sales boost to their console. After their E3 show, whilst still having a burning hate for them, I was slowly beginning to think they were actually doing better (President is gone...) and then they do this which is just...bad.

Also, people were buying the 60 gig model. The 80 gig model isn't even out until August, people are only able to buy one as they discontinued the previous model (20 gigs) due to piss poor sales.

People cared about having an extra 40 gigs and would pay a hundred bucks more. But this is a 20 GB difference.

Also, Xbox 360 Elite has a 120 GB HDD and an HDMI port, it's only $447
Yes and previous xbox 360 owners have to pay another $100 for the 120 gig hard drive.And I mean if you think about it it all adds up very quickly...$400 for the console,60 bucks a pop for games,$5 a month for online,$200 for the hd dvd add on,even more on accessories.Not to mention batteries for the controller.
you don't NEED the 120gb hard drive though. the 20gb works great. the HD-DVD drive is even more useless.

plus, the online costs more because it's better.

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2007, 12:12:02 pm »
Right, so previous owners will need to have spent 500 $ if they decide they want the 120...that's still not 600 dollars.

And I think you didn't see my other post.

I can choose either a decade of Xbox Live ($600 dollars) OR blow it on a PS3 ($600) + expensive bluray disc games and micro transactions (?)

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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2007, 01:04:54 pm »
yea but you're also getting a blu-ray player out of that also icefox, which would normally cost a buttload more.

and it almost sounds like you haven't experienced 1080p outside of a retail store :P

gaming on 1080p is like cheese with melted cheese ontop of cheese. it's very yummy :D

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Re: is sony TRYING to lose?
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2007, 01:13:56 pm »
blu-ray is dumb. I've seen it running in 1080, it's not significant enough to make me want to replace all my DVDs.

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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2007, 08:28:14 pm »
Vulture is right, even if you buy the ps3 and there weren't ANY good games on it you still have a blu-ray dvd player. And if you bought the 360 elite with the hd dvd add on thats over $700. And blu-ray is way better than hd dvd. Besides think of all the money on batteries you will lose.

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2007, 10:05:39 am »
blu-ray is dumb. I've seen it running in 1080, it's not significant enough to make me want to replace all my DVDs.

that's not the intention of it at all lmao

it's intended to be a stepping stone for people to eventually move to over a 10year period.

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2007, 02:47:23 pm »
From what I've one of the reasons why PS3 is doing poor is because of the lack of good games.

Because of its A-symmetric processor its harder to program than Xbox 360 which in  this case is symmetric.

The reason why its so expensive is because Blu-ray is not the standard.  When PS2 came out DVD was bassicly the standard or just becoming the standard.  Its not the same, Blu-ray is too friggin expensive.  With the exception of this expensive new media PS3 games cost more. 

Do we need 25gb of storage for games?  As far as I know Their is already less VRAM (190mb I think) in the PS3 compared to the 360.

But hey, the PS3 is useful for its Blu-Ray player plus the ability to run Ubuntu Linux.
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2007, 05:11:07 pm »
Right, so previous owners will need to have spent 500 $ if they decide they want the 120...that's still not 600 dollars.

And I think you didn't see my other post.

I can choose either a decade of Xbox Live ($600 dollars) OR blow it on a PS3 ($600) + expensive bluray disc games and micro transactions (?)
no you can have $200 worth of xbox live to be equaly compared to the price of the ps3(thats not including the dvd add on.)And PS3 games are the same price as xbox 360...and for movies,blu-ray is way better than hd dvd and generally its 4 or 5 dollars more.
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2007, 05:56:31 pm »
Right, so previous owners will need to have spent 500 $ if they decide they want the 120...that's still not 600 dollars.

And I think you didn't see my other post.

I can choose either a decade of Xbox Live ($600 dollars) OR blow it on a PS3 ($600) + expensive bluray disc games and micro transactions (?)
no you can have $200 worth of xbox live to be equaly compared to the price of the ps3(thats not including the dvd add on.)And PS3 games are the same price as xbox 360...and for movies,blu-ray is way better than hd dvd and generally its 4 or 5 dollars more.
There's still the fact that blu-ray and hd-dvd are ridiculously unnecessary.

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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2007, 06:01:58 pm »
Right, so previous owners will need to have spent 500 $ if they decide they want the 120...that's still not 600 dollars.

And I think you didn't see my other post.

I can choose either a decade of Xbox Live ($600 dollars) OR blow it on a PS3 ($600) + expensive bluray disc games and micro transactions (?)
no you can have $200 worth of xbox live to be equaly compared to the price of the ps3(thats not including the dvd add on.)And PS3 games are the same price as xbox 360...and for movies,blu-ray is way better than hd dvd and generally its 4 or 5 dollars more.
There's still the fact that blu-ray and hd-dvd are ridiculously unnecessary.
I dont see what makes them unnecessary...ANd the only reason why there are more games for 360 right now is simply because its been out longer.Also something I forgot to say earlier is that I really like the fact that every month an update comes out for PS3.

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Re: is sony TRYING to lose?
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2007, 06:03:47 pm »
Right, so previous owners will need to have spent 500 $ if they decide they want the 120...that's still not 600 dollars.

And I think you didn't see my other post.

I can choose either a decade of Xbox Live ($600 dollars) OR blow it on a PS3 ($600) + expensive bluray disc games and micro transactions (?)
no you can have $200 worth of xbox live to be equaly compared to the price of the ps3(thats not including the dvd add on.)And PS3 games are the same price as xbox 360...and for movies,blu-ray is way better than hd dvd and generally its 4 or 5 dollars more.
There's still the fact that blu-ray and hd-dvd are ridiculously unnecessary.
I dont see what makes them unnecessary...ANd the only reason why there are more games for 360 right now is simply because its been out longer.Also something I forgot to say earlier is that I really like the fact that every month an update comes out for PS3.
The only reason they're pushing for a new format is because they can't shove enough DRM in a DVD.

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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2007, 01:46:48 pm »
Right, so previous owners will need to have spent 500 $ if they decide they want the 120...that's still not 600 dollars.

And I think you didn't see my other post.

I can choose either a decade of Xbox Live ($600 dollars) OR blow it on a PS3 ($600) + expensive bluray disc games and micro transactions (?)
no you can have $200 worth of xbox live to be equaly compared to the price of the ps3(thats not including the dvd add on.)And PS3 games are the same price as xbox 360...and for movies,blu-ray is way better than hd dvd and generally its 4 or 5 dollars more.
Errr...currently. Many developers have announced strong possibilities of 65$ + for PS3 titles.

Also, let's do some math for the Xbox Live. The PS3 costs $600 after the price drop is gone. Xbox Live is $5 a month.

5x12 (# of months in a year...) = 60. 60 x 10 (a decade...) equals...*drumroll please* 600 $$$$

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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2007, 01:52:55 pm »
Right, so previous owners will need to have spent 500 $ if they decide they want the 120...that's still not 600 dollars.

And I think you didn't see my other post.

I can choose either a decade of Xbox Live ($600 dollars) OR blow it on a PS3 ($600) + expensive bluray disc games and micro transactions (?)
no you can have $200 worth of xbox live to be equaly compared to the price of the ps3(thats not including the dvd add on.)And PS3 games are the same price as xbox 360...and for movies,blu-ray is way better than hd dvd and generally its 4 or 5 dollars more.
Errr...currently. Many developers have announced strong possibilities of 65$ + for PS3 titles.

Also, let's do some math for the Xbox Live. The PS3 costs $600 after the price drop is gone. Xbox Live is $5 a month.

5x12 (# of months in a year...) = 60. 60 x 10 (a decade...) equals...*drumroll please* 600 $$$$
dont you have to add the price for the console?ANd if you want to get technical you should add in the price of the accessories <_<.Also what games are out right now that are worth buying it for...only for 360.For me halo 3 is the only game worth getting for it.but still I already have halo one and 2. 

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2007, 03:53:22 pm »
Right, so previous owners will need to have spent 500 $ if they decide they want the 120...that's still not 600 dollars.

And I think you didn't see my other post.

I can choose either a decade of Xbox Live ($600 dollars) OR blow it on a PS3 ($600) + expensive bluray disc games and micro transactions (?)
no you can have $200 worth of xbox live to be equaly compared to the price of the ps3(thats not including the dvd add on.)And PS3 games are the same price as xbox 360...and for movies,blu-ray is way better than hd dvd and generally its 4 or 5 dollars more.
Errr...currently. Many developers have announced strong possibilities of 65$ + for PS3 titles.

Also, let's do some math for the Xbox Live. The PS3 costs $600 after the price drop is gone. Xbox Live is $5 a month.

5x12 (# of months in a year...) = 60. 60 x 10 (a decade...) equals...*drumroll please* 600 $$$$
dont you have to add the price for the console?ANd if you want to get technical you should add in the price of the accessories <_<.Also what games are out right now that are worth buying it for...only for 360.For me halo 3 is the only game worth getting for it.but still I already have halo one and 2. 
No. You said that Xbox Live subscription adds up and is very expensive. I was saying that I can have a decade of XBL or a PS3, I can still have XBL without an Xbox, my point was the price comparison which I made after, as I said, tried using the free PS3 online as an excuse and that the XBL subscription costs a lot, when I can have it for a decade for the price of a PS3, the system in which you are defending the price of.

And can you name any games right now that make the PS3 worthwhile, ones that aren't available for other systems?

And for the 360: Viva Pinata, PDZ (not amazing, some people liked it a lot), Kameo (same as before), Most of the stuff on XBLA, Deadrising, and many more depending on personal tastes.

Coming Soon: Fable 2, Halo 3 (don't care for it but the majority of the world does) and many more, I can't even begin to list.

And please don't say Killzone 2...the first one looked "amazing" and it came out and it sucked. I don't understand why history is beginning to repeat itself.

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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2007, 04:45:07 pm »
Right, so previous owners will need to have spent 500 $ if they decide they want the 120...that's still not 600 dollars.

And I think you didn't see my other post.

I can choose either a decade of Xbox Live ($600 dollars) OR blow it on a PS3 ($600) + expensive bluray disc games and micro transactions (?)
no you can have $200 worth of xbox live to be equaly compared to the price of the ps3(thats not including the dvd add on.)And PS3 games are the same price as xbox 360...and for movies,blu-ray is way better than hd dvd and generally its 4 or 5 dollars more.
Errr...currently. Many developers have announced strong possibilities of 65$ + for PS3 titles.

Also, let's do some math for the Xbox Live. The PS3 costs $600 after the price drop is gone. Xbox Live is $5 a month.

5x12 (# of months in a year...) = 60. 60 x 10 (a decade...) equals...*drumroll please* 600 $$$$
dont you have to add the price for the console?ANd if you want to get technical you should add in the price of the accessories <_<.Also what games are out right now that are worth buying it for...only for 360.For me halo 3 is the only game worth getting for it.but still I already have halo one and 2. 
No. You said that Xbox Live subscription adds up and is very expensive. I was saying that I can have a decade of XBL or a PS3, I can still have XBL without an Xbox, my point was the price comparison which I made after, as I said, tried using the free PS3 online as an excuse and that the XBL subscription costs a lot, when I can have it for a decade for the price of a PS3, the system in which you are defending the price of.

And can you name any games right now that make the PS3 worthwhile, ones that aren't available for other systems?

And for the 360: Viva Pinata, PDZ (not amazing, some people liked it a lot), Kameo (same as before), Most of the stuff on XBLA, Deadrising, and many more depending on personal tastes.

Coming Soon: Fable 2, Halo 3 (don't care for it but the majority of the world does) and many more, I can't even begin to list.

And please don't say Killzone 2...the first one looked "amazing" and it came out and it sucked. I don't understand why history is beginning to repeat itself.
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