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spongehead 32

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Satanism
« on: December 06, 2007, 03:21:00 pm »
What is your opinion on satanism?

Is it acceptable or not?

Do you believe in satanism or that those who do have a point?

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 04:10:39 pm »
No it is not. you are worshiping a entity that tells people to kill, hurt, rob, rape ect.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2007, 01:23:26 pm by GIR »

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 04:27:32 pm »
Judging by the above post, I would assume it might be smarter for you to explain what Satanism is as GIR's post seems to clearly show no one here understands it (well...a few might).

Unless that's what you were going for.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 04:40:46 pm »
I always thought Satanism was really just a theatrical parody of Christianity.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2007, 08:55:14 pm »
God might say he loves you, but Satan'll buy ya a drink.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2007, 09:50:31 pm »
God might say he loves you, but Satan'll buy ya a drink.
This made me laugh so hard.  In a very bad way.

I have a real problem with any religion that requires ill treatment of animals and humans.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2007, 06:11:09 am »
I never really understood why someone would choose to worship something that is so evil, at least in my eyes. Aren't satanists like against religon? Aren't they in a religion if they are satanists? And is it just me or does it seem like most athiests and satanists or whatever are only that because they think its "cool"? Idk.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2007, 10:46:53 am »
Ok, let me explain to you people what Satanism really is, since it is quite apparent none of you seem to understand...

Satanists do NOT actually worship the mythological Christian devil, called "Satan". The name "Satan" is translated to mean "Adversary". So when Satanists call themselves Satanists, they are implying that they are adversaries to the Christian religion. And modern day Satanism, aka LeVayan Satanism, one of their foremost rules is to NEVER HARM ANY CHILD. There is also some text in the Satanic bible that even puts animals in a higher position above humans... the LeVayan concept of Satanism is actually more an atheistic philosophy than anything. Many Satanists today are actually atheists. They used the symbol of Baphomet as more of a symbollic figure, but many people assume it means they are worshipping the devil. It is all symbology people. They do it to get the goats of a lot of Christians... and it works.

Also, mant Satanists follow a version, their own form of the Wiccan Rede "An harm ye none, do what thou will." Also their are Luciferians out there who worship the Roman God Lucifer, either as a deity or symbol. Lucifer was originally a very noble Roman God... he was the son of Venus. The name Lucifer however became drug through the mud with the rise of Christianity and Islam. Luciferianism, many people attribute as a form of Satanism in itself, but in actuality, it is a very old Pagan religion that pre-dates Christianity by thousands of years.

Are there people out there who ACTUALLY worship the devil as a deity? Absolutely! But how they see it, is that Satan is the father of all knowledge... since he tempted Eve to bite of the forbidden fruit, giving humanity all of the knowledge we have today. They see Yahweh as the evil, trying to repress knowledge for all of manking, and as a bully for kicking Lucifer out of heaven for blessing mankind with all of this knowledge. In this case, Yahweh is seen as a dictator of sorts, and Lucifer, AKA Satan is considered the true hero.

A very small minority of Satanists ACTUALLY practice animal and child sacrifices. This is just superstition and rumors spread by the Christian church. The figure Lucifer doesn't even rightly belong to Christianity... Lucifer is a roman God of light. And like I said already, the name Satan, translated, literally means "adversary".

My own personal opinion of Satanism? I don't entirely agree with it's concepts... such as seeking revenge, never sacrificing for others, and for the sheer fact that I don't agree with the concept of Autotheism, which is quite literally, the worship of yourself as a God. Satanism is actually an Autotheistic religion. Satan/Lucifer/Baphomet is used only as a symbollic figure in most cases. A select few actually worship either Satan or Lucifer. An even extreme smaller minority actually practice animal and human sacrifice... if any of them at all.

I personally don't believe in a mythical "devil" that goes around and causes us to do all of these nasty terrible things. I believe if I screw up or do something bad I must take account for my actions, instead of blame a mythical devil figure. I do however believe in bad spirits that like to cause trouble... but a devil? Nah. That is just rediculous. The Satan figure was made up by the Roman Catholic church to scare people into converting from their older Pagan religion to Christianity/Catholicism. After awhile the Catholic Church itself started assimilating Pagan beliefs with their church.

To sum it all up, people, Satanism is the concept that everyone is the master of their own destiny, and that supposed "sins" are completely acceptable as they cause emotional, physical, sexual, and/or spiritual gratification.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2007, 12:55:50 pm »
Ok, let me explain to you people what Satanism really is, since it is quite apparent none of you seem to understand...



I understood it. Patback's smart(er than me), he probably understands it too.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2007, 01:24:23 pm »
Judging by the above post, I would assume it might be smarter for you to explain what Satanism is as GIR's post seems to clearly show no one here understands it (well...a few might).

Unless that's what you were going for.

I don't know that many people that worship Lucifer sorry :p, and sorry I thought you were talking about the black mass.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2007, 01:26:09 pm by GIR »

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2007, 04:46:26 pm »
I have a friend who consideres himself to be a Satanist actually, and he doesn't even believe in Satan as an entity. It's not religion as much as it is a philosophy. I personally don't follow it, but I don't have a problem with others doing it.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2007, 07:10:35 pm »
I don't know that many people that worship Lucifer sorry :p, and sorry I thought you were talking about the black mass.
They don't sacrifice children at black mass either.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2007, 06:28:29 pm »
What I find really funny when most Christians hear that someone is a Satanist they instinctively condemn them.

What is funny about that is that to be a satanist in terms worshiping the devil as a deity, you must believe in the same things as a christian. You must believe that there is a god, that there is a heaven and that there are angels as well as the whole fall of angels events.

Yet when most Christians find out someone is an atheist they don't mind so much.

It's kind of like saying "I don't mind if you don't believe in what I believe but if you do believe you MUST believe in the same or similar part as I do".

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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2007, 10:42:16 pm »
What I find really funny when most Christians hear that someone is a Satanist they instinctively condemn them.

What is funny about that is that to be a satanist in terms worshiping the devil as a deity, you must believe in the same things as a christian. You must believe that there is a god, that there is a heaven and that there are angels as well as the whole fall of angels events.

Yet when most Christians find out someone is an atheist they don't mind so much.

It's kind of like saying "I don't mind if you don't believe in what I believe but if you do believe you MUST believe in the same or similar part as I do".
Well, I am actually friends with a guy like that... he sees Satan/Lucifer is the good and Yahweh is the evil. Pretty much these type of Satanists are just reverse Christians... they are quite literally acknowledging the same deities. They just worship in different ways and believe in different things. Most Satanists though, are LeVayan Satanists, and LeVayan Satanism is an Autotheistic religion, where you yourself are your own God.

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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2007, 01:45:29 pm »
Actually, from what I've heard, a lot of the common misconceptions on Satanism (i.e. Animal Sacrifice, Worship of Satan as Entity, etc.) were actually propaganda used against Satanism by the Roamn Empire during it's Christian era. It's funny how far thats gone.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2007, 01:01:53 pm »
Actually, from what I've heard, a lot of the common misconceptions on Satanism (i.e. Animal Sacrifice, Worship of Satan as Entity, etc.) were actually propaganda used against Satanism by the Roamn Empire during it's Christian era. It's funny how far thats gone.
The Roman Catholic Church spread lies about not only Satanists, but Witches as well, and various other Pagan groups... after awhile though, the Catholic Church intergrated with the various Pagan beliefs so then more Pagans would be willing to convert to Christianity/Catholicism.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2008, 06:39:32 pm »
To each his own, I suppose. 

I don't quite understand why we consider human life to be so sacred as to think it should never be sacrificed.  Same with animals.  I mean...I don't advocate the thought of killing someone...especially not one who is unwilling to be killed.  But what if someone WANTS to be sacrificed for what they believe in?  Do we have the right to tell them no?  Not in my opinion.  And you can't condemn the sacrifice of animals if you are a Christian, because your own religion once advocated it, as do many other religions.

All this being said, I'm not 100% sure there's a term to describe my religious views because I have this idea of a higher power which created us (through the process of evolution) and allows us to behave as we want because there is no right or wrong in his (I use he though I believe the higher power lacks definition) eyes.  So my belief is that IF someone wants to practice Satanism, or any other religion for that matter, then who are we to say it's wrong?  It's their own demonstration of their free will which was bestowed upon them at the time of creation so why should any hindrance be laid upon them?


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Re: Satanism
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2008, 09:59:12 pm »
Would it be accurate to call yourself a Deist Roger?

Each human life is worth as much as it gives back to society... given some people are disabled, and then we have children, but I am talking from a purely biological standpoint, not my own personal viewpoint. Each human life, is only worth as much as it contributes. I know that sounds quite pessimistic and depressing but it is a fact. If you are some lazy bum, causing trouble, stealing from society, etc, your life is not worth as much as someone who is a decent citizen and whatnot. Same in the animal kingdom. If an animal in the pack is sickly, or not pulling their weight, or disabled somehow, the other animals kill it and eat it.

My own personal view... I am against any kind of murdering or killing in the name of any God, or to any cause, whatever... I am against sacrificing of unwilling lives. If they openly agree to sacrifice themselves, or die for their God, then I say have at it... it is none of my business. Although I guess animals are "sacrificed" when they are killed, butchered, and made into ribs and chicken wings... but what I do, is weekly, I will thank the Goddess Earth for all she has provided us with. I believe it is important to show appreciation to the Earth for all she provides us.

And just to emphasize this again, Satanists do not practice human/child/animal sacrificing. Not the LeVayans ones anyways... those were lies spread by the Catholic Church to invoke fear.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2008, 10:57:54 pm »
Would it be accurate to call yourself a Deist Roger?

I'm not 100% sure. I've tried to find a term to match...but none seem to fit completely so I've mostly steered away from even using a label.

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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2008, 10:49:40 pm »
Fair enough, Roger.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2008, 01:03:39 pm »
Would it be accurate to call yourself a Deist Roger?

I'm not 100% sure. I've tried to find a term to match...but none seem to fit completely so I've mostly steered away from even using a label.

I personally think putting yourself under a religious category is stupid. I mean, all you need to do to see the negative effects of that is to watch the news.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2008, 05:03:03 pm »
You should not believe everything that the news says... they skew the stories most of the time to make it interesting.

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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2008, 05:23:55 pm »
No crap. Saying "watch the news" in a debate like this, is like saying go watch An Inconvenient Truth in a debate on global warming  -  it just makes you look...well, dumb.

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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2008, 07:26:50 am »
I see your point, but that was not what I meant...what I meant was just see all the crap that is going on like in the Middle East right now because of relgious categories (especially considering that the religions in question believe in practically the same thing)...unless of course the news is lying about that too...

Maybe this is why I decided to stop caring about politics a couple years back...

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2008, 08:50:55 pm »
Islam has very few sects of Islam compared to Christianity... I mean look at Christianity... you have Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Evangelicals, etc. The list doesn't end there either. It just goes on and on. With Islam you have maybe 5 or 6 different sects at the most. 85% of Muslims are Shiite Muslims I believe. about 10% are Sunni. The rest are other various sects. The only difference between these two sects are that the Shiite believe Muhammed is prophet, and Sunni believe Muhammed's grandson I believe was a prophet. My info may be wrong, and I might have the names mixed up... but a large portion of Muslims belong to one sect.

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Re: Satanism
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2008, 04:04:07 pm »
The differences between Shiites and Sunnis developed over who they thought should have been Muhammad's successor.

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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2008, 08:09:08 pm »
Ok then, that is what I thought.