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« on: May 31, 2005, 09:14:42 pm »
That question has always lingered around in my mind, but I've never gotten a straight answer from anyone. I believe they do, of course. People that don't usually say the only purpose they have on this earth is to be eaten. I think that's complete bull. Animals have saved lives and are awesome companions for everyone. I think that they truly deserve a reward for those reasons, and I don't mean just a bone or a lot of treats or something. A reserved spot for them in Heaven would be nice.

Of course, that could just go along with the topic about Heaven, and what you think it is. Maybe you're long lost pets will be there when you die, since that's one thing you want. I'm not sure, but I still support the idea. I sure don't want to believe that the animals that I've loved didn't waste their time on Earth to be thrown into oblivion. There's got to be something more to their life.

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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2005, 09:19:55 pm »
I don't believe in souls period.

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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2005, 09:25:06 pm »
I think they do.

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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2005, 09:30:33 pm »
I am not sure; I am generally consumed by a lack of religiouse beliefs, but sometimes I would like for it to be true.  Truthfully though, I do not believe in souls.

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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2005, 09:35:41 pm »
I always thought souls were just your personality. Animals have personalities, so I guess they have souls.

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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2005, 12:58:29 am »
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I always thought souls were just your personality. Animals have personalities, so I guess they have souls.
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yeah, indeed

its like, the essence that gives people, and animals their spirit.

you know dumb chiuauas?? how they have that blank stupid look?? no soul there

i know people who are exactly hte same, no soul there, either :biggrin:

animals are generally more deserving of souls than humans.

did you see that think about some lowlife criminal ::Dolphin Noise::, who i hope dies slowly and painfully, pouring GLUE onto kittens and setting them on FIRE!!!

on that note, i might be getting a bunny :wub:

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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2005, 01:28:47 am »
my dad says only human beings have. i dunno if they have or not so it is a mystery to humans.

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2005, 01:32:43 am »
I don't believe in souls but as Oscar said, they have personalities which I huess is the equivilent of a soul.

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did you see that think about some lowlife criminal ::Dolphin Noise::, who i hope dies slowly and painfully, pouring GLUE onto kittens and setting them on FIRE!!!
I NEVER HEARD ABOUT THAT!

That is outrageous, what a sick :Dolphin Noise:.
Argh, how could you do that to an animail...how could you even comprehend deciding that they're going to burn kittens today!
Wow....that is just......Argh!

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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2005, 02:33:47 am »
ok, i have the article.

two men in huntly wre charged with trapping wild cats in cages, pouring glue on them and setting them on fire

they ill get a MAXIMUM sentance of one year in prison and $50,000 fine.

MAXIMUM, it should be the minimum. its like setting fire to children or the handicapped or elderly. alot of animals cant fight back cos they get put in positions where they are impared (caged, tied up etc)

i saw an ad for rspca from england, and it showed this dog who had been beaten over the head with a spade. its eye was hanging out and its jaw was shattered, and the poor thing was still alive :(

at least we know that if there IS a ::Dolphin Noise::, these people will be going to it

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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2005, 04:05:22 am »
I do not have any form of religious worship...therefor I do not beleive in souls.

(on the topic of animal cruelty: has anyone seen the documentary on the wild bears that where driven mad by being forced to perform infront of tourists in iraq? How sickening some people are.)
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2005, 07:41:50 am »
Many aboriginal religions (Native American) gave the animals spirits (hence why they had totems, and totem spirits). I believe most animals have 'spirits', and some are highly intelligent. (Whales have been known to bring lost humans, not only to land, but to the place they wanted to BE.) I have more respect for animals than humans. Y'all should read Animal Farm.

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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2005, 11:34:55 am »
I have more respect for animals than humans...as I always say: I won't have a human child, but will not hesitate to adopt an abandoned animal infant.
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2005, 12:39:14 pm »
All living things are alive, therefore animals have souls, or some other sort of thing if you are non-religious. They have feelings too, it's been proven.

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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2005, 03:46:52 pm »
i think theydefinetly have soulds. its like God sent an angel down for every animal(if u believe in God) and each angel has a mission, to make thier owner happy, and some of the angels know that something bad is gonna happen to their owners, so they save them




i have a true story to tell about a cat that i know that saved someones life


the next door neighbors to my grandparents had a cat. then they got a pug. once they got the pug, they made the cat live outside and they wouldnt feed it. a few months later they moved away, and the children and adults didnt take one look back at the cat. so then it got skinier and skinnier by the day. it slept on my Nanas wall that she has around a part of her house. u can see the wall from her bathroom. so anyways, i saw how tired, huingrey, and thirstey it looked, so i went outside and tried to feed it. it ran off. the next day i did the same thing. i called the kitty over  andit came to me. i petted her and gave her some food. she gulped it down and asked for more. i gave her some water and she drank like half the bowle. i fed her each day, and then started to play and pet her. winter was coming, and it was the end of fall. it was already cold here. i needed to find a home for it. well a few days later, i went with my Nana to the hair salon. her hair dressers cat just died, and he wanted to get another. i told him about the cat, and i showed him a pic. he said hed take it. a few days later we brought the cat to him.  the cat loved him. then he moved, and the cat thought tht steven was abandoning him, but once he saw that steven the hairdresser was taking the kitty with him, the cat was happy. he moved into a new house. a few weeks later steven put a candle in the bathroom, and shut the door, forgeting it was in there. steven had all the lights out and was writing a letter with one light on, a desk lamp. well smoke was drifting over is head and he couldnt see or smell it. the cat started running up and down the bed, messing up his papers on his desk. finally the cat went to the bathroom door and started punching it with its paws. finally steven got up and opened the bathroom door. the whole bathroom was on fire! he took cally and his chuwawa who did nothing to alert him of this out side. he called the firefighters, and they said to him after they put the fire out, that if he had fallen asleep like he was just about to, that the house would have been gone in the next few minutes and that he would be dead. the fire fighter never heard of a cat that alerted people of a fire and was shocked




im glad i found a home for this cat, i really felt like i saved  2 lives. this is a true story, and i know that animals are our gaurdian angels




wow, that was a long post!!!!
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2005, 05:26:03 pm »
I believe any living breathing thing has a soul. Why wouldn't they? If you say animals don't have souls, then neither do we because yes believe it or not WE are animals.

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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2005, 08:38:54 pm »
They do! My cat talks to me, with her eyes.

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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2005, 08:46:27 pm »
I wish they did

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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2005, 09:44:32 pm »
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they ill get a MAXIMUM sentance of one year in prison and $50,000 fine.
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What the h3ll were the judge and jury thinking!

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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2005, 09:48:25 pm »
thats not the judge, that is new zealand LAW of maximum punishment for aggravated cruelty ot an animal

it must be changed!! stupid *$%#@&^ !!!

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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2005, 11:32:15 pm »
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thats not the judge, that is new zealand LAW of maximum punishment for aggravated cruelty ot an animal

it must be changed!! stupid *$%#@&^ !!!
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What! I didn't realise this was an NZ issue!
Why have I not heard of this though  :blink:

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2005, 12:09:56 am »
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They do! My cat talks to me, with her eyes.
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I have deeper conversations with my dog then my friends. Though I dont think she understands what Im saying, she understands what Im feeling :wub:  :wub:

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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2005, 12:57:59 am »
^^^ I know what you mean, my ex's cat used to harrass me when i cried :wub:

and tim, it was in huntley, evil evil ness, its been on the news and stuff i think. i read it in the uni magazine

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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2005, 01:24:45 am »
My cat keeps attacking me with kindness whenever I feel down...then when Im happy he simply runs back upstairs to bed...and sleeps for the rest of the day.
lol. XD
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2005, 06:30:09 am »
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My cat keeps attacking me with kindness whenever I feel down...then when Im happy he simply runs back upstairs to bed...and sleeps for the rest of the day.
lol. XD
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2005, 07:32:03 am »
Oh, man. You guys are making me miss my doggie now...I might not ever see her again. I mean, I will, just...not that much :(

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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2005, 09:34:14 am »
they have to have sould, we have souls and believe it or not WE'RE ANIMALS TOO!
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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2005, 09:40:19 am »
Garygirl, I've said stuff like that from day one (about humans being animals)...so...watch out, some people lash out at you and stuff.
Its a logical point people wish not to hear. lol. XD
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2005, 09:47:03 am »
thanks sarah! i thoguht about posting that b4 i posted it. i decided that ill accept the concequences of posting it...
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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2005, 10:01:27 am »
I made a topic about it awhile back...it died pretty quickly...anyway...back on topic.

My pet cat is a ::Beep:: most of the time, but I still love him...whereas my other cat, she's noisy...yet shy...so I love her just as much. ^_^
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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2005, 09:21:38 am »
We did not evolve from some little amoieba, God created us in His own image,and it says in the Bible that He only gave mankind a soul, we are not some animals that are more sofisticated then others that just happened by chance, were Gods creations. I'm not saying that animals are bad, I have 14 and I love them all, they have saved lives and have personalities but they do not have a true soul as God gave mankind.

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« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2005, 09:36:24 am »
I don't even know what to think.

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« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2005, 07:51:33 pm »
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We did not evolve from some little amoieba, God created us in His own image,and it says in the Bible that He only gave mankind a soul, we are not some animals that are more sofisticated then others that just happened by chance, were Gods creations. I'm not saying that animals are bad, I have 14 and I love them all, they have saved lives and have personalities but they do not have a true soul as God gave mankind.
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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2005, 08:27:39 pm »
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We did not evolve from some little amoieba, God created us in His own image,and it says in the Bible that He only gave mankind a soul, we are not some animals that are more sofisticated then others that just happened by chance, were Gods creations. I'm not saying that animals are bad, I have 14 and I love them all, they have saved lives and have personalities but they do not have a true soul as God gave mankind.
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I don't think animals ar e toys or things to collect, in a way I see them as equal and they need to be treated fairly but that does'nt mean that they have souls. :happy:

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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2005, 08:36:22 pm »
Animals have better morals than humans. Indeed they have souls, if we have souls.

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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2005, 05:49:39 am »
1. Why did you bump this topic, spongebass?
2. Animals are better than humans.
3. Animals did everything before humans did, they are better than us. End of story.
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« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2005, 05:04:40 am »
I'm not too spiritual, but I do believe that everyone is here for one reason or another, and that no life (not just human life, but any life) ever goes wasted. Even that of an animal.

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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2005, 02:11:24 pm »
I'm not sure but I'm leaning toward, yeah. They probably do because they die and go to heaven or hell like us. If they don't have souls, then why do they die or live?

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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2005, 07:30:59 pm »
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I'm not sure but I'm leaning toward, yeah. They probably do because they die and go to heaven or hell like us. If they don't have souls, then why do they die or live?
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« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2005, 02:12:31 am »
Your GOD sucks if it makes you force your religion onto others and smash others beleifs apart, Spongebass.

Scientism and Pagonism are awsome.
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« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2005, 12:00:15 pm »
Let's leave any form of religion bashing whatsoever out of this. This is a nice enough thread as it is.

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« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2005, 02:55:06 pm »
I agree, Liz....but its when we express our own beleifs that others bash them and try to force their own onto us.
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« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2005, 12:56:09 pm »
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I agree, Liz....but it's when we express our own beleifs that others bash them and try to force their own onto us.
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When did anyone here do that to you?

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« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2005, 01:05:23 pm »
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I agree, Liz....but it's when we express our own beleifs that others bash them and try to force their own onto us.
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When did anyone here do that to you?
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You haven't been here for the past few months I have, if you have then I haven't noticed you....but it's obvious you don't have any idea about what has been going on.
There was a guy called MSP and he made LOTS of topics that bashed other peoples beleifs...then he claimed that his religion was the only true one....I will say no more, since it always starts fights.
READ his topics, don't post in them though....they are really old, and posting in old topics is called 'bumping'.
Which Spongebass did in this one.
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« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2005, 01:07:19 pm »
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I agree, Liz....but it's when we express our own beleifs that others bash them and try to force their own onto us.
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You haven't been here as long as I have, so you wouldn't have any idea about it.
There was a guy called MSP and he made LOTS of topics that bashed other peoples beleifs...then he claimed that his religion was the only true one....I will say no more, since it always starts fights.
READ his topics, don't post in them though....they are really old, and posting in old topics is called 'bumping'.
Which Spongebass did.
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I know who MSP is and I kind of do remember him bashing other beliefs. I just didn't know it was partiually to your beliefs or others.

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« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2005, 02:35:55 pm »
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Your GOD sucks if it makes you force your religion onto others and smash others beleifs apart, Spongebass.

Scientism and Pagonism are awsome.
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« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2005, 10:29:37 am »
Okay, getting off topic! :offtopic:

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« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2005, 02:30:42 pm »
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Okay, getting off topic! :offtopic:
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« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2005, 05:02:23 pm »
Animals don't have souls.  They're apart of God's creation.  Morever, humans must take care of them for uses in science, breeding, and raising.  However, we must not treat them cruely.

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« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2005, 02:44:55 am »
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Animals don't have souls.  They're apart of God's creation.  Morever, humans must take care of them for uses in science, breeding, and raising.  However, we must not treat them cruely.
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"Animals don't have souls.  The're apart of god's creation"
So we are not apart of god's creation? That's why we have souls??  :huh:

Did you mean not apart of?

Taking animals as test subjects in science seems cruel to me.
As a recent Article that was posted about humans being in a exhibit in a zoo, too show that we are not above other animals.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...ain_human_zoo_5

Since when were animals only put on earth so we could do scientific tests on them?

I don't like it how everyone acts like we are the best, and animals are dirt that we can hunt and keep for pets, and make them into rugs that are put on our floors, or hang their heads on walls.

God created us all equally.  

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