Author Topic: Communism (Read 12246 times)

Banana · « **on:** January 20, 2006, 03:18:39 pm »

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-Banana

Lil Loco · « **Reply #1 on:** January 20, 2006, 03:21:34 pm »

good in theory...

bad in reality...

Roger · « **Reply #2 on:** January 20, 2006, 03:22:29 pm »

Communism in its purest form isn't 100% bad. In true communism, everyone is equal. Everyone shares the power. Everyone has the same amount of money. Everyone has the same amount of land.

Communism as we know it doesn't work. One person becomes a dictator and everyone under him is given equal power. It doesn't work in that fashion.

Dragon Of Grief · « **Reply #3 on:** January 20, 2006, 03:25:41 pm »

Also that means an intern would be making the same wages as a doctor... ultimately it would cause people to become lazy and economy would collapse.

Scilla · « **Reply #4 on:** January 20, 2006, 03:29:12 pm »

What exactly is communism?

Banana · « **Reply #5 on:** January 20, 2006, 03:30:53 pm »

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Communism refers to a conjectured future classless, stateless social organization based upon common ownership of the means of production, and to a variety of political movements which claim the establishment of such a social organization as their ultimate goal. Early forms of human social organization have been described as "primitive communism." However, communism as a political goal generally denotes a conjectured future form of social organization which has never been implemented. There is a considerable variety of views among self-identified communists. However, schools of communism associated with Karl Marx (Marxism) and of Vladimir Lenin (Leninism) have the distinction of having been a major force in world politics since the early 20th century. Class struggle plays a central role in the theory of Marxism. The establishment of communism is in this theory viewed as the culmination of the class struggle between the capitalist class (the owners of capital) and the working class. Marx held that society could not be transformed from the capitalist mode of production to the communist mode of production all at once, but required a transitional period which Marx described as the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat. The communist society Marx envisioned emerging from capitalism has never been implemented, it remains theoretical. However, the term "Communism", especially when the word is capitalized, is often used to refer to the political and economic regimes under communist parties.

-Banana

Lil Loco · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2006, 03:34:03 pm »

i know scilla dont like readin long stuff so, in short, it meanz that everyone in the society iz equal, there iz collective ownership of all land, and everyone workz for the common good. itz bad cuz the state controlz everything and, with sole power, it tearz down the whole idea of perfect society. there u go scilly.

Rocko · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2006, 04:19:41 pm »

It sounds good in theory, but in real life it has never worked. Besides if I was a Lawyer and you were a Janitor and we both made the same amount of money, I wouldn't have any motivation to work hard. And in every single Communist government some dictator has taken over. By the way China really isn't pure communist anymore.

IZ · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2006, 04:27:47 pm »

Pure communism doesn't work, either does pure democracy. What works is a combination of both (socialism).

Dragon Of Grief · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2006, 04:29:38 pm »

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Exactly... I support socialism... because capitalism just isn't working anymore... never real did work too well to begin with.

IceFox · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2006, 04:37:20 pm »

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Communism in its purest form isn't 100% bad. In true communism, everyone is equal. Everyone shares the power. Everyone has the same amount of money. Everyone has the same amount of land.

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Also that means an intern would be making the same wages as a doctor... ultimately it would cause people to become lazy and economy would collapse.
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It sounds good in theory, but in real life it has never worked. Besides if I was a Lawyer and you were a Janitor and we both made the same amount of money, I wouldn't have any motivation to work hard. And in every single Communist government some dictator has taken over. By the way China really isn't pure communist anymore.
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Patback399 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2006, 04:37:36 pm »

Has anyone ever read "The Giver"? I love that book. THe average reader would pass over it is a fiction story, but it's deeper.

It's all about communism. The boy, Jonas, lives in what seems to be a utopia world. Each child, when they turn 12, is assigned a job in which they are to work for the rest of their lives. Everything seems perfect. There is no pain or anguish. Jonas takes "pills" to restrict love from his thoughts. Everyone is perfect. Though it seems perfect, there are problems. There is no weather, color, or music. I don't want to say anymore, because many of you probably haven't read it.

Communicm, even in the perfect form, is bad. There is no imagination, no thought. Monotony rules your life, and you must obey a strict set of rules.

Lil Loco · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2006, 04:58:37 pm »

i dont like socialism either.

oscar_the_grouch · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2006, 05:46:40 pm »

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Has anyone ever read "The Giver"? I love that book. THe average reader would pass over it is a fiction story, but it's deeper.

It's all about communism. The boy, Jonas, lives in what seems to be a utopia world. Each child, when they turn 12, is assigned a job in which they are to work for the rest of their lives. Everything seems perfect. There is no pain or anguish. Jonas takes "pills" to restrict love from his thoughts. Everyone is perfect. Though it seems perfect, there are problems. There is no weather, color, or music. I don't want to say anymore, because many of you probably haven't read it.

Communicm, even in the perfect form, is bad. There is no imagination, no thought. Monotony rules your life, and you must obey a strict set of rules.
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I loved that book! It was really something else to read.

Anyways, I don't have anything to contribute. Everyone else has already said it. Good in theory, bad in reality.

Elizabeth Rose · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2006, 08:25:55 pm »

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Yeah right. Socialism. The hell that makes everyone truly equal. Some people work hard, everyone gets the benefits!

Communism is the worst idea ever. There is no freedom to it whatsoever. A dictator always steps foward and the people suffer horribly. They work for very few wages and there is never enough to eat. The state rules people's lives to a major extent and that is never good. Free thinking in basically illegal.

IZ · « **Reply #15 on:** January 20, 2006, 08:47:19 pm »

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Yeah right. Socialism. The hell that makes everyone truly equal. Some people work hard, everyone gets the benefits!

Communism is the worst idea ever. There is no freedom to it whatsoever. A dictator always steps foward and the people suffer horribly. They work for very few wages and there is never enough to eat. The state rules people's lives to a major extent and that is never good. Free thinking in basically illegal.
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I think you're referring to fascism, not communism. x.x

Elizabeth Rose · « **Reply #16 on:** January 20, 2006, 08:50:41 pm »

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Pure communism doesn't work, either does pure democracy. What works is a combination of both (socialism).
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Yeah right. Socialism. The hell that makes everyone truly equal. Some people work hard, everyone gets the benefits!

Communism is the worst idea ever. There is no freedom to it whatsoever. A dictator always steps foward and the people suffer horribly. They work for very few wages and there is never enough to eat. The state rules people's lives to a major extent and that is never good. Free thinking in basically illegal.
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I think you're referring to fascism, not communism. x.x
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Look at Cuba.

IZ · « **Reply #17 on:** January 20, 2006, 08:53:10 pm »

Cuba isn't communist. All of these so-called "communist" countries are just labeled as such as by the US.

Elizabeth Rose · « **Reply #18 on:** January 20, 2006, 08:54:51 pm »

"Communism" is like that. The technical dictionary term may not say so, but that is what it always leads to.

garyfan · « **Reply #19 on:** January 21, 2006, 06:01:10 am »

Marxism is the original theory of communism and is completely different that what Stalin and China put in place. It is a good idea in theory but its proven that it doesn't work. People don't want to share things and the rich people don't want to lose thing!

cmonkey · « **Reply #20 on:** January 21, 2006, 11:35:24 am »

The world has yet to see a working example of either Democracy or Communism. Both are ideals to strive towards, impossible to reach.

Anyway, my opinion on the matter is that communism is flawed, not because each example in the past has become a dictatorship, but because it underestimates the power of a free market economy. Competition drives prices down and innovation up.

I don't believe in Libertarianism though. A mix of capitalism and socialism is necessary to prevent the rich from getting richer while the poor get poorer.

Patback399 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 21, 2006, 11:57:50 am »

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I don't believe in Libertarianism though. A mix of capitalism and socialism is necessary to prevent the rich from getting richer while the poor get poorer.
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Such as a command economy? I think Norway uses that.

Scilla · « **Reply #22 on:** January 21, 2006, 12:04:42 pm »

*sigh* You guys are smart. -__-

cmonkey · « **Reply #23 on:** January 21, 2006, 02:45:48 pm »

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No, like a progressive taxation scheme, or even negative taxation for the lowest brackets, as well as subsidized health care, food, and housing. A planned economy has too many restrictions on the market. Markets are pretty self-regulating anyway.

yorgyschmorgy · « **Reply #24 on:** February 08, 2006, 04:03:10 pm »

It would work(not that it's right) assuming everyone will simply accept what they get and not try to get more or beat the system.

Thomas · « **Reply #25 on:** March 02, 2006, 01:18:14 am »

Communism was just a dream...it's impossible to accomplish, although it would have made the world a better place.
Capitalism is horrible, it sees people as nothing but 'human resorces' and when they can't bring in anymore profit, they are discarded.
it's a darn shame communism didn't work out, but then again....what has worked?

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Author Topic: Communism (Read 12246 times)

Banana

Lil Loco

Dragon Of Grief

Banana

Lil Loco

Dragon Of Grief

Patback399

Lil Loco

oscar_the_grouch

Elizabeth Rose

Elizabeth Rose

Elizabeth Rose

garyfan

Patback399

yorgyschmorgy