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MiraclrPlz

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« on: October 21, 2004, 08:22:26 pm »
The argument that communism is somehow ideal is a falsehood. In our history, communist regimes have murdered millions and curtailed freedoms to this very day. But there is always the rebuttal, "but its good in theory..". Well actually its not all, in fact its the least human of all governments.
Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto dreams of a world where the proteliaret overthrow the bourgesise and run the state themselves. A supposed golden age of equality and brotherhood would then be ushered in. The real world has show that impossible. But even if human nature would be changed is it really ideal? The idea that everyone should share everything is obviously foreign to most including me. I believe that I should get what I work hard for, communism gives me the same as some slacker who doesnt care about his careless job. What I earn should be mine because I earned it not simply because I exsist. This sort of system dehumanizes us into just another sack of flesh rather then a person.

Equality is another supposed goal of communism in theory. But this "equality" would eliminate all the greatness individuals have. This is undeniable, for communism to work the individual must be made into nothing more then a piece of the mass. Humans are not compatable with this idea, we are not meant to be as talented in all fields. Thats the way things are and they should be. Eliminating the variance in talent is a strike at the individual and their will. People with more talent will obviously demand more and the communist system cannot handle that.

So what would this supposed Utopia look like? It would be a world populted with un-unique creatures barely resembling humans. Sure everyone would be equal and share everything, but they would have no ambitions or individual wills to speak of. Essentially we would be walking golems, lacking distinction and a soul. Is this paradise? Answer me that and then defend communism to me "in theory". If you wish to sacrifice yourself to become an automoton be my guest, but I for one would rather die fighting then become a slave of the false socialist god "equality.
Lets put this nonsense to rest and end one of the worst plagues ever to hit our planet. Too many have died fighting it, no more words need be wasted on supporting this foul idea.
 

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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2004, 08:30:32 pm »
and you say Canada is communist? you know little of my country dear wonderful Duper....for we pride ourselves in individuality. I AM CANADIAN.

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2004, 04:53:07 pm »
since I have talked to people in Canada..I have come to believe their government is MUCH better than ours.

In theory, it would work..if everyone was born and raised this way without prior knowledge of the way things were before. If you ever read the book Anthem, its kind of like that..the communism worked fine until they found out how the world was before. I agree that it is bad though..maybe not for the same reason you said..but, yeah.

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2004, 06:16:45 pm »
I think what you're saying is....every single country in the world is communist except for America.

MSP, pay VERY CLOSE attention in school next time.

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2004, 06:21:56 pm »
Communism is a good idea IN THEORY. It just never works.

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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2004, 06:33:24 pm »
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Communism is a good idea IN THEORY. It just never works.
Well you're right. Communism was supposed to be just like a democracy. But some Soviet leaders changed all that, and made it like just like a military dictatorship.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2004, 06:41:15 pm »
Communism sucks and never works but MSP, you really need to catch up on what is a Communist Country and what isn't.

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2004, 11:22:52 pm »
Hmm.

What occurred in the Soviet Union was not Communism.  It was a military dictatorship with communist overtones.

Anyway, I agree.  I don't like communism.  It leaves no reason for people to be ambitious.  The government owns all..... sort of 1984ish.

However, I am a fan of socialism.  Democratic socialism specifically.  Imagine our government, but with higher taxes (especially on the rich and ultra rich), free higher education, free health care and benefits, etc.  As in, the basic necessities of life are covered by the government, as well as giving everyone an equal opportunity to succeed.
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2004, 08:56:45 pm »
For the last time the only way to get a surplus is to lower taxes so the good people can spend more and to help small businesses.

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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2004, 11:11:10 pm »
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For the last time the only way to get a surplus is to lower taxes so the good people can spend more and to help small businesses.
No, there are two ways to get a surplus.  1.  Raise taxes.  2.  Cut spending.

Besides, money doesn't go to small businesses.  It goes to ultracorporations, like Walmart and Starbucks.
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2004, 04:20:21 pm »
Oh, wow, you're completely wrong. The tax cuts only benefit personal income tax and small businesses that make just over $200,000 a year. Megacorporations (Like Wal-Mart) are in a whole different tax bracket. Are you aware that the top 20% of income earners pay over 80% of all federal income tax?

Let me spell this out for you:

You have ten people and one hundred bricks to carry. Two people carry eighty of the bricks and the other eight share the other twenty bricks.

Does this make sense to you? That is America today. People who work hard and earn money are taxed unreasonably while those who stay poor pay nearly nothing in comparison.

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2004, 04:33:35 pm »
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Does this make sense to you? That is America today. People who work hard and earn money are taxed unreasonably while those who stay poor pay nearly nothing in comparison.
They pay nearly nothing because maybe they don't have any to spend.
You're example is poor, because say everyone is carrying ten bricks each. Everything seems fair. But what if one of those people is handicapped? Or has only one arm? Is that fair to them?

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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2004, 05:08:35 pm »
I don't like communism because no matter how hard you work, you will make the same amount of money as if you did no work at all. So basically that is why communist countries have a poor workforce.

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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2004, 05:29:52 pm »
This I will copy and paste, because I can say it no better myself:

"They get stuck on these percentages and they get stuck on the size of a tax cut, and they say, well, somebody making $400,000 a year gets a tax cut of $4,000, and somebody making $16,000 gets a tax cuts of $250. How's that fair? Somebody gets $4,000 and they don't need it. They don't need it. That's nobody's job to tell you who and what you don't need, especially not the government's. And that's what they focus on and everybody gets sidetracked."

Think on this: You are wealthy, you're paying massive quantities of taxes and why? Because you're wealthy? Listen, man, rich people are entitled only to the same government protection that poor people are. Pursuit of happiness, life and liberty, speedy trial, etc. so why then do they pay more taxes?

The truth is, just because someone has more it doesn't mean they should have to forfeit more. Everyone should have to do equal because everybody is getting an equal share from the deal. We all still only get one wall and we're all working together to build it. Of course the strong people pitch in and do more, they're good people. But now we've got the person in the wheelchair saying that he wants to do even less and that the strong man should do even more than he's already doing because why? Because the man in the wheelchair feels like he's doing too much?

This is the problem. This is where we move toward communism. Some have, some do not. Some are strong, some are weak. We all get by and we earn what we earn with whatever intelligence or brilliance we're given. The spread of communism, socialism and whatever liberal mentality says that the strong man should do all of the work to make it equal for the weak men and then the strong man should get no reward for doing so because, well, he's stronger naturally. Why does he deserve extra compensation?

So we've got some doing less, some doing more (those who are better) and those who do less complaining because those who do more have more. It's unfair, it's evil and it's crippling to a society. Let the rich be rich, I don't care! I wish them luck! Let the poor, likewise, be poor.

The difference is:

A conservative believes we can teach a man to fish so he can fish for himself. Some fisherman catch more than others and have more fish as a result.

A liberal believes that it is an unfair label to say that some people are "better" at fishing because all people are equal although some are challenged in some areas, which is to say that all of mankind must band together to help these poor, unfortunate bad fisherman by giving them fish daily and catering to their every whim.

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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2004, 05:35:06 pm »
And if you end up a bad fisher in the end? what will your view be then?