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Off Topic => Everything Else => Debate Den => Topic started by: Daniel on March 14, 2007, 06:46:06 pm
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Mhmm..
It may be early but whatever.
If I was a liberal, I would vote for Obama.
A women wouldn't be that bad, if it was a decent woman. Not Hillary...
But yea, this is mainly for people over 18...
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I seriously don't know who I'll be votin for yet...None of the candidates on my side are that good in my opinion.
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They are all better than Hillary. =p
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True enough...Still doesn't make them good lol.
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Bush :lol:
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Lolol.
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My sister's pet lizard, Alex.
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I am voting for Hillary!!!!!!!!!! Lawl. Not...
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Obamanator.
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I'm not voting.
I'm a socialist, and since nobody in the election can accurately reflect my views on anything, voting would be rather pointless.
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Unless you vote for someone that you think would lead the nation in the next four years towards a socialist prez.
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I'm not voting.
I'm a socialist, and since nobody in the election can accurately reflect my views on anything, voting would be rather pointless.
Rogelio, you traitor. :P
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Roger is socialist..
Oh well. I am enviormentalist. And republican...
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I'm not voting...
Cos I don't live in America.
PLUS, I'm too young anyways, :P
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Unless you vote for someone that you think would lead the nation in the next four years towards a socialist prez.
That won't happen, though.
Because there aren't that many socialists in the US.
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I seriously don't know who I'll be votin for yet...None of the candidates on my side are that good in my opinion.
I kno rite?! We have a crazy Mormon guy and someone else. Oh snap.
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I won't be voting until around 2011. I support Obama, however.
Unless you vote for someone that you think would lead the nation in the next four years towards a socialist prez.
That won't happen, though.
Because there aren't that many socialists in the US.
It's probably just that too many people think of Cuba, Soviet Union, dictatorial communism, etc. when hearing mention of a "state-led economy".
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I won't be voting until around 2011. I support Obama, however.
Unless you vote for someone that you think would lead the nation in the next four years towards a socialist prez.
That won't happen, though.
Because there aren't that many socialists in the US.
It's probably just that too many people think of Cuba, Soviet Union, dictatorial communism, etc. when hearing mention of a "state-led economy".
Better dead than Red!
Oh, and there is a Socialist ticket on the ballot. About 10,000 people voted Socialist in 2004. I believe in Democratic Socialism. The economic system should not be changed unless the people believe it should.
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Better dead than Red!
Hellz yea.
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That crazy mormon guy is Mitt Romney... and if he is elected president I am seriously leaving the country. One of the worst things, is he claims that we should quit relying on foreign and domestic oil and should turn to alternative fuel sources, but he still support drilling ANWR in Alaska. That is an environmental NO NO. Plus he basically suck on civil rights issues, not just gay marriage, but he has an unsteady view on abortion as well.
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Obama or Clinton.
I'd like to see Gore win though...
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Obama or Clinton.
I'd like to see Gore win though...
So he can run from trouble with his tail between his legs. :)
Oh man, after looking him up Mitt Romney is so NOT my man.
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You have some people supporting him, but talk to anybody from Massachusets... he is extremely unpopular in that state. How elected as governer there is beyond me. Mass is very liberal. But they have told me Mitt made a joke off Mass and dissapointed many people. Mitt is like the conservative version of liberal pussy Kerry.
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Guliani would be a good president. I think he's pro-war, though.
Obama needs a bit more experience.
Hilary seems phony to me.
Edwards and Dodd are great, but I don't think they have enough name recognition.
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Unless you vote for someone that you think would lead the nation in the next four years towards a socialist prez.
That won't happen, though.
Because there aren't that many socialists in the US.
Nader is close enough. Universal health care, higher taxes on higher tax brackets, etc.
Beyond that, there are Democratic Socialist and Social Democrat parties in the US, both of which field presidential candidates.
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Nader is the friggin man. Nobody gives him enough respect from my generation tho....he did loads back in his hay-day...
I'd atleast like to see him be vice pres or something....
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If Hillary wins, We are screwed.
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Unless you vote for someone that you think would lead the nation in the next four years towards a socialist prez.
That won't happen, though.
Because there aren't that many socialists in the US.
Nader is close enough. Universal health care, higher taxes on higher tax brackets, etc.
Beyond that, there are Democratic Socialist and Social Democrat parties in the US, both of which field presidential candidates.
Gore would be our president if Nader didn't run.
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I personally believe we need a candidate who is non-religious and on the contrare is willing to totally de-christianize society... christianity is not the only religion, and all religion need to be respected, not just one.
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If Hillary wins, We are screwed.
Hilary won't even get past the primaries. Obama is the Democrats' man this time.
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I was gonna vote for Obama, but I kinda just changed my mind. He seems too indesicive to me. I can find nobody in the horizon I care to vote for as of yet.
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I was gonna vote for Obama, but I kinda just changed my mind. He seems too indesicive to me. I can find nobody in the horizon I care to vote for as of yet.
What's he indecisive about?
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Better dead than Red!
Hellz yea.
I was joking. That catchphrase is part of the biggest overreaction in history.
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Better dead than Red!
Hellz yea.
I was joking. That catchphrase is part of the biggest overreaction in history.
:o
Communism blows.
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Better dead than Red!
Hellz yea.
I was joking. That catchphrase is part of the biggest overreaction in history.
:o
Communism blows.
Jesus was a communist.
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Any proof?
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Any proof?
Ooo...ouw. You just set yourself up for an atheist attack.
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I know...
:o
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Any proof?
Ooo...ouw. You just set yourself up for an atheist attack.
Exactly.
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Better dead than Red!
Hellz yea.
I was joking. That catchphrase is part of the biggest overreaction in history.
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Communism blows.
Jesus was a communist.
Jesus wasn't a politician, nor did He ever teach about politics. And while communism is all fine and dandy in idea, you know that it doesn't work...Human nature prevents that.
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Better dead than Red!
Hellz yea.
I was joking. That catchphrase is part of the biggest overreaction in history.
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Communism blows.
Jesus was a communist.
Jesus wasn't a politician, nor did He ever teach about politics. And while communism is all fine and dandy in idea, you know that it doesn't work...Human nature prevents that.
People abuse it... similar to capatilism.
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True, but regulations can be put into effect with Capitalist-style systems.
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It still gets abused... which is why communism and capatalism fail... I read a quote somewhere once... In communism man exploits man, and capatilism it is the opposite.
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"In communism man exploits man, and capatilism it is the opposite."
You realise that you just said that in capatilism man exploits man also?
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"In communism man exploits man, and capatilism it is the opposite."
You realise that you just said that in capatilism man exploits man also?
Uh huh, I do <_<
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It's different than communism.
We don't CLAIM to all be equal. :p
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It's different than communism.
We don't CLAIM to all be equal. :p
And there is pride in socio-economic inequality?
Do you realize that a perfect capitalist state would be the same as a perfect communist state?
I mostly support communism because I believe humans are not only obliged to receive life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but also clean water, food and housing... at no cost.
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It's different than communism.
We don't CLAIM to all be equal. :p
Actually they are very similar. You'd be surprised how similar they are.
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It's different than communism.
We don't CLAIM to all be equal. :p
And there is pride in socio-economic inequality?
Do you realize that a perfect capitalist state would be the same as a perfect communist state?
I mostly support communism because I believe humans are not only obliged to receive life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but also clean water, food and housing... at no cost.
Communism never worked, and will never work. There is no motivation for work if the government pays for everything. In communism just about everything is dolphin noise quality, housing tends to be crap, food is crap, and housing is crap. Communism is very restrictive since the government owns everything, and controls everything.
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^ Yessir.
No movitation to anything. No reasoning behind working hard. Unless you've got a nation of people who are deprived of human-nature itself, your nation is screwed in the long-run.
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It's different than communism.
We don't CLAIM to all be equal. :p
And there is pride in socio-economic inequality?
Do you realize that a perfect capitalist state would be the same as a perfect communist state?
I mostly support communism because I believe humans are not only obliged to receive life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but also clean water, food and housing... at no cost.
Communism never worked, and will never work. There is no motivation for work if the government pays for everything. In communism just about everything is dolphin noise quality, housing tends to be crap, food is crap, and housing is crap. Communism is very restrictive since the government owns everything, and controls everything.
And in a capitalist society, the streets are paved with gold, right? Everybody has a great house and adequate food, do they? Some people don't understand, communism isn't the opposite of democracy. In fact, the best kind of socialism is democratic socialism.
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It's different than communism.
We don't CLAIM to all be equal. :p
And there is pride in socio-economic inequality?
Do you realize that a perfect capitalist state would be the same as a perfect communist state?
I mostly support communism because I believe humans are not only obliged to receive life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but also clean water, food and housing... at no cost.
Communism never worked, and will never work. There is no motivation for work if the government pays for everything. In communism just about everything is dolphin noise quality, housing tends to be crap, food is crap, and housing is crap. Communism is very restrictive since the government owns everything, and controls everything.
And in a capitalist society, the streets are paved with gold, right? Everybody has a great house and adequate food, do they? Some people don't understand, communism isn't the opposite of democracy. In fact, the best kind of socialism is democratic socialism.
If capitalism is so bad, then how came America has such a high standard of living?
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And, If it is so bad, Why are we one of the most powerful nations on Earth...?
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People in America are spoiled. They do not understand what a grand life they have, so they spit on it by talking about how much better it could be. Bring anyone over from Cuba or China and I guarantee they will find capitalism more favorable.
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And, If it is so bad, Why are we one of the most powerful nations on Earth...?
Because of all the people we left bloodied and dead along the way... much like Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.
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Ty... Your opinions have.. Changed.
Bush, and I will explain why.
It wasn't his fault that 9/11 happened like most democrats will lead you to believe. Clinton made a major msitake before he left office and it was blamed on Bush. Now I trust Bush. Kerry on the other hand... he can't keep a stance on ONE not ONE issue. It is ok to change your mind but Kerry abuses the privelege. Plus he doesn't have a single idea what he is talking about.
Wow.
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I read Obama's website and his opinions are good. Im too young to vote though. :(
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Ty... Your opinions have.. Changed.
Bush, and I will explain why.
It wasn't his fault that 9/11 happened like most democrats will lead you to believe. Clinton made a major msitake before he left office and it was blamed on Bush. Now I trust Bush. Kerry on the other hand... he can't keep a stance on ONE not ONE issue. It is ok to change your mind but Kerry abuses the privelege. Plus he doesn't have a single idea what he is talking about.
Wow.
Dude, that was a post from like, 3 years ago.
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Ty... Your opinions have.. Changed.
Bush, and I will explain why.
It wasn't his fault that 9/11 happened like most democrats will lead you to believe. Clinton made a major msitake before he left office and it was blamed on Bush. Now I trust Bush. Kerry on the other hand... he can't keep a stance on ONE not ONE issue. It is ok to change your mind but Kerry abuses the privelege. Plus he doesn't have a single idea what he is talking about.
Wow.
Dude, that was a post from like, 3 years ago.
LOL. I laughed at that for some reason. Valid point though. Bush CAN make up his mind. :P
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Ty... Your opinions have.. Changed.
Bush, and I will explain why.
It wasn't his fault that 9/11 happened like most democrats will lead you to believe. Clinton made a major msitake before he left office and it was blamed on Bush. Now I trust Bush. Kerry on the other hand... he can't keep a stance on ONE not ONE issue. It is ok to change your mind but Kerry abuses the privelege. Plus he doesn't have a single idea what he is talking about.
Wow.
Dude, that was a post from like, 3 years ago.
LOL. I laughed at that for some reason. Valid point though. Bush CAN make up his mind. :P
Bush has a mind?!
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I'm one. Though ineligible to vote...
If I could, I would have to pick Hillary, simply for the lack of a better option. I understand "Obamania" to an extent, but one must look somewhat to experience in a leadership role, as well as policies. I don't think Obama can fill the first. As well, I don't usually support Senators for Presidents, (Bill Clinton was a Governor, too) but Hillary has semi-Executive Branch experience to cancel that out...
Call me illogical.
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not hillary clinton!
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Hilary Clinton is just too crazy... plus I do not support feminists.
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Hilary Clinton is just too crazy... plus I do not support feminists.
hey cool something we agree on.
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hey cool something we agree on.
Hehe neato <_<
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Oh yeah, I believe I found a candidate that I like... Dennis Kucinich. He is for gay marriage and against abortion. Sounds like the guy for me <_<
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Oh yeah, I believe I found a candidate that I like... Dennis Kucinich. He is for gay marriage and against abortion. Sounds like the guy for me <_<
I took a quiz, and he's apparently the best candidate for me.
Too bad there's no name recognition...
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I heard somewhere that a poll was done, and 47% of Americans would not vote for Hilary, even with a gun pointed at their head (don't remember where though)
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I heard somewhere that a poll was done, and 47% of Americans would not vote for Hilary, even with a gun pointed at their head (don't remember where though)
the Drudge Report?
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Oh yeah, I believe I found a candidate that I like... Dennis Kucinich. He is for gay marriage and against abortion. Sounds like the guy for me <_<
I agree
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I heard somewhere that a poll was done, and 47% of Americans would not vote for Hilary, even with a gun pointed at their head (don't remember where though)
the Drudge Report?
Sounds more like an Onion article.
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I heard somewhere that a poll was done, and 47% of Americans would not vote for Hilary, even with a gun pointed at their head (don't remember where though)
the Drudge Report?
Sounds more like an Onion article.
aren't they the same thing?
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I heard somewhere that a poll was done, and 47% of Americans would not vote for Hilary, even with a gun pointed at their head (don't remember where though)
the Drudge Report?
Sounds more like an Onion article.
aren't they the same thing?
I didn't think so...
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I can't vote. My mom & dad are voting some one republican.
I'd want anyone besides Clinton as president. I hate her guts.
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I can't vote. My mom & dad are voting some one republican.
I'd want anyone besides Clinton as president. I hate her guts.
Why?
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Why?
Because everyone else hates her. That is why.
I just don't want her to be president because I am a little iffy about having a feminist president... also taking in consideration her right wing conspiracy theory rants. I don't care much for republicans or conservatives myself but she takes it a little over the top... she's literally the Anti-Ann Coulter.
With that said...
I can't vote. My mom & dad are voting some one republican.
I'd want anyone besides Clinton as president. I hate her guts.
Why don't you want her to be president? Do you have a valid reason or are you just following what Mommy and Daddy say?
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Exactly. I hate it when people dislike a politician just because it's what everyone else says.
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Exactly. I hate it when people dislike a politician just because it's what everyone else says.
Word.
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I'd want anyone besides Clinton as president. I hate her guts.
Why don't you want her to be president? Do you have a valid reason or are you just following what Mommy and Daddy say?
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She's just stupid. First she stayed with Clinton after he cheated. (Though for the money :rolleyes:) Second basically every group she goes to she switches to a different thing she wants. Not one of the canidates besides her do that, if she's president she'd go by what is the most popular opinion. (We will support the war, then a couple months later the war must stop!) That's not how a good leader does things.
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I'd want anyone besides Clinton as president. I hate her guts.
Why don't you want her to be president? Do you have a valid reason or are you just following what Mommy and Daddy say?
She's just stupid. First she stayed with Clinton after he cheated. (Though for the money :rolleyes:) Second basically every group she goes to she switches to a different thing she wants. Not one of the canidates besides her do that, if she's president she'd go by what is the most popular opinion. (We will support the war, then a couple months later the war must stop!) That's not how a good leader does things.
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1. She forgave him. Isn't that the moral thing to do?
2. A good democratic leader won't listen to the people?
3. A LOT of politicians do that. And it's OK, because they obviously see mistakes in what they have done and try to change them. Hilary may seem fickle with her stance on the war, but people who still think it is justified are just idiots!
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She's just stupid. First she stayed with Clinton after he cheated. (Though for the money :rolleyes:) Second basically every group she goes to she switches to a different thing she wants. Not one of the canidates besides her do that, if she's president she'd go by what is the most popular opinion. (We will support the war, then a couple months later the war must stop!) That's not how a good leader does things.
Are you under the FALSE assumption that I support her? I was simply telling him to have an actual opinion rather then just going along with what everyone else said. If you read my posts, you would know I support Dennis Kucinich so far.
And you will find many political candidates shift opinions on their issues quite often. And who cares about her sexual life? (or lack thereof) That has no basis in electing a president. They could be having sex with animals for all I care. If they have a good stance on issues that are important to me that is all that matters. Someone's private sex life does not determine what kind of president they will be.
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1. She forgave him. Isn't that the moral thing to do?
2. A good democratic leader won't listen to the people?
1. Nah, she didn't ever really care. She only married him out of convenience for herself, and she stayed with him for her own positions. All she cares about is status. Nonetheless, I personally couldn't care less why she chose to marry that bum nor why she's stayed with him.
2. I think you know what he meant. There is a difference between listening to the people and licking your finger to figure out which way the wind blows.
Seriously people, don't be stupid (this is for everyone). Don't try to make something mean something TOTALLY different when you know what the author meant. We are all supposed to be on a semi-decent intellectual level, which means we don't need every living thing quite literally spelled out.
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1. She forgave him. Isn't that the moral thing to do?
2. A good democratic leader won't listen to the people?
1. Nah, she didn't ever really care. She only married him out of convenience for herself, and she stayed with him for her own positions. All she cares about is status. Nonetheless, I personally couldn't care less why she chose to marry that bum nor why she's stayed with him.
2. I think you know what he meant. There is a difference between listening to the people and licking your finger to figure out which way the wind blows.
Seriously people, don't be stupid (this is for everyone). Don't try to make something mean something TOTALLY different when you know what the author meant. We are all supposed to be on a semi-decent intellectual level, which means we don't need every living thing quite literally spelled out.
1. Have you any evidence of this?
2. Either way you take it, he is still basically saying a president should stick to their own personal agenda, and not the agenda of the people which they are governing. The Constitution was made to promote the welfare of the people.
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I'd rather have a president who sticks to his/her beliefs and doesn't waver...Maybe I agree with all his/her stances or maybe I don't, but they would be infinitely better than someone who just tells you what you want to hear.
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I agree with you on that. A president should stick with his beliefs, but when the majority of his citizens are dissatisfied with a certain thing, he should listen to them. After all, in a democracy, the people are the leaders.
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I agree with you on that. A president should stick with his beliefs, but when the majority of his citizens are dissatisfied with a certain thing, he should listen to them. After all, in a democracy, the people are the leaders.
People shouldn't be afraid of their governments.
Governments should be afraid of their people.
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I agree with you on that. A president should stick with his beliefs, but when the majority of his citizens are dissatisfied with a certain thing, he should listen to them. After all, in a democracy, the people are the leaders.
This is why people should do their research on a candidate's beliefs before voting for them, so there will be no surprises when it comes to decisions made on certain issues.
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I agree with you on that. A president should stick with his beliefs, but when the majority of his citizens are dissatisfied with a certain thing, he should listen to them. After all, in a democracy, the people are the leaders.
This is why people should do their research on a candidate's beliefs before voting for them, so there will be no surprises when it comes to decisions made on certain issues.
Right, but not everything is fait accompli as soon as a leader is elected. If we were so sure that people didn't want to change the Constitution, then we'd have not allowed amendments.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is in the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
- Declaration of Independence
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Oh I agree, nothin is set in stone once someone is elected. I'm just talkin about the candidate's stances on the majority of pressing issues. If another issue came up and the majority of the people demanded a certain action, he should listen unless his beliefs tell him otherwise...Then he's in a dilemma.
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Oh I agree, nothin is set in stone once someone is elected. I'm just talkin about the candidate's stances on the majority of pressing issues. If another issue came up and the majority of the people demanded a certain action, he should listen unless his beliefs tell him otherwise...Then he's in a dilemma.
This is why liberal candidates are flawed... they switch their stances on issues far too often. And conservatives stances on issues are usually or the wrong reasons. Bleh. Politicians are all criminals IMO. If you read back, you will find that the electoral process was not even DESIGNED for career politicians.
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Oh I agree, nothin is set in stone once someone is elected. I'm just talkin about the candidate's stances on the majority of pressing issues. If another issue came up and the majority of the people demanded a certain action, he should listen unless his beliefs tell him otherwise...Then he's in a dilemma.
This is why liberal candidates are flawed... they switch their stances on issues far too often. And conservatives stances on issues are usually or the wrong reasons. Bleh. Politicians are all criminals IMO. If you read back, you will find that the electoral process was not even DESIGNED for career politicians.
Most politicians only care about money. They're getting money for saying what they say, and changing their opinion to conform to a groups beliefs for money.
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word. i believe the same as rocko.
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Yup. And you can't say that one party is corrupt and one isn't because both parties have plenty of corrupt politicians. You gotta look on the level of the individual, not the entire party. Honestly the two party system sometimes does more bad than good cuz ignorant people base their decisions soley on what party the candidate stands for and not so much on what his beliefs and stances are. If you just grabbed a couple of the best-suited candidates and ran them against each other with no labels or parties slapped on there, I think that would work nicely. I align myself with the Republican party because a good majority of my beliefs are in-line with their stances...Doesn't mean I agree with everything the Republican party stands for. I think the same is true for alotta other people, be 'em Republican, Democrat, or otherwise. People get caught up in taking pre-drawn sides on everything. Sorta stupid when you think about it.
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I am registered as a democrat but I am fairly moderate in my beliefs.
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When I register to vote, I'm not joining any parties.
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When I register to vote, I'm not joining any parties.
You can't vote in any of the primaries then... to be able to vote you should register either Democrat or Republican. I registered Democrat. Also you can't vote for people outside your party in those elections. Messed up aint it?
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When I register to vote, I'm not joining any parties.
You can't vote in any of the primaries then... to be able to vote you should register either Democrat or Republican. I registered Democrat. Also you can't vote for people outside your party in those elections. Messed up aint it?
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It depends on where you live. :P In Alabama you don't register with a party, you just register. In primaries you decide whether to vote for Dems or Republicans. Only one or the other though.
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In Pennsylvania that is how it works... weird, I know. lol. If you don't register with a party then you can't really vote for much.
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I thought this might be an interesting topic to bring back, especially with the primaries and whatnot approaching.
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I like Kucinich a lot. Maybe the most. It's possible he could beat Obama (but not very). I do like Obama. Just not as much as Kucinich.
Ron Paul seems good as well... I'm pretty sure he won't win, though. We'll see.
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If I was registered as a Democrat, I would probably vote for Kucinich in the primary. It would take several major miracles for him to actually get the nomination, let alone win the election.
Pragmatically, a vote for Obama would probably be better though, since the race is basically Obama vs. Clinton, and I would much prefer Obama.
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If I was registered as a Democrat, I would probably vote for Kucinich in the primary. It would take several major miracles for him to actually get the nomination, let alone win the election.
Pragmatically, a vote for Obama would probably be better though, since the race is basically Obama vs. Clinton, and I would much prefer Obama.
I'm voting for Kucinich in our primary, but that's just because Michigan democrats are stupid and pushed our primary up so far that almost all the candidates backed out.
My top choice is Obama though.
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... Ron Paul...
*prepares to be lynched*
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If Obama gets in, I'm voting for him. If Hilary gets in I'll prolly either vote for Guliani (finally a Republican who isn't a hypocrit), some random independent or just not voting at all...that is if I could vote :P...
I'm just very excited at the prospect of having someone other than Bush in office personally.
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If Obama gets in, I'm voting for him. If Hilary gets in I'll prolly either vote for Guliani (finally a Republican who isn't a hypocrit), some random independent or just not voting at all...that is if I could vote :P...
I'm just very excited at the prospect of having someone other than Bush in office personally.
Actually, Guliani still has his hypocrisies.
For instances, he claims he saved New York on September 11, 2001.
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... Ron Paul...
*prepares to be lynched*
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Wow.
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Ron Paul is liked a lot. Especially on the internet. I don't think a lot of people who get mad at you for liking him.
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I just hate people who think they know more than you because they are voting for Ron Paul.
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If Obama gets in, I'm voting for him. If Hilary gets in I'll prolly either vote for Guliani (finally a Republican who isn't a hypocrit), some random independent or just not voting at all...that is if I could vote :P...
I'm just very excited at the prospect of having someone other than Bush in office personally.
umm.. wow.
read up about giuliani. he's a scumbag.
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Giuliani did drag... I am not kidding either. Rudy Giuliani performed at a drag event as a drag queen named "Rudia". Not that this is a BAD thing... but it sure does hurt your chances of becoming president. Lol. Rudy is a big scumbag. I used to like him, but then I read up on him a little more. And I just like Ron Paul because he makes the most sense to me... either him or Mike Gravel.
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Giuliani did drag... I am not kidding either. Rudy Giuliani performed at a drag event as a drag queen named "Rudia". Not that this is a BAD thing... but it sure does hurt your chances of becoming president. Lol. Rudy is a big scumbag. I used to like him, but then I read up on him a little more. And I just like Ron Paul because he makes the most sense to me... either him or Mike Gravel.
http://wwjv4.com/republicans/10-reasons-not-to-vote-for-ron-paul-159
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Lol. You could make one of those lists for every candidate in the election probably, Kevin. All politicians are liars and scumbags... period. It is pretty much who is the lesser of the evils.
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Lol. You could make one of those lists for every candidate in the election probably, Kevin. All politicians are liars and scumbags... period. It is pretty much who is the lesser of the evils.
No, you just don't vote.
It is the right of the people to alter or abolish. When politicians don't conform with what we want, they'll have to learn that we won't conform with what they want.
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Lol. You could make one of those lists for every candidate in the election probably, Kevin. All politicians are liars and scumbags... period. It is pretty much who is the lesser of the evils.
Indeed, but you'd be hard pressed to find a candidate to whom Ron Paul was the lesser of two evils.
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Lol. You could make one of those lists for every candidate in the election probably, Kevin. All politicians are liars and scumbags... period. It is pretty much who is the lesser of the evils.
Indeed, but you'd be hard pressed to find a candidate to whom Ron Paul was the lesser of two evils.
Hillary, anyone?
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Guiliani even?
Yea, I initially liked Ron Paul until I heard him say the other day "naaa, we're getting rid of the Education Department....gov't should have any hold in how our kids learn"
dolphin noise he took it too far :(
Basically:
If Ron Paul gets the nomination, I'd vote for him unless it was Ron Paul vs Obama. Then I'd vote Obama.
If it wasn't Ron Paul, then I'd probably vote for whoever the democrat was, but I'd have to look over their views.
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Guiliani even?
Yea, I initially liked Ron Paul until I heard him say the other day "naaa, we're getting rid of the Education Department....gov't should have any hold in how our kids learn"
dolphin noise he took it too far :(
Basically:
If Ron Paul gets the nomination, I'd vote for him unless it was Ron Paul vs Obama. Then I'd vote Obama.
If it wasn't Ron Paul, then I'd probably vote for whoever the democrat was, but I'd have to look over their views.
Yeah, is Ron Paul an anarchist?
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No, you just don't vote.
It is the right of the people to alter or abolish. When politicians don't conform with what we want, they'll have to learn that we won't conform with what they want.
Well, there is a saying... if you don't vote, you have no right to complain... so if I don't vote, then what right do I have to have a say about ANYTHING in my government?
Indeed, but you'd be hard pressed to find a candidate to whom Ron Paul was the lesser of two evils.
Mitt Romney for one... Mitt is the worst of all the Republican candidates... heck, I would even vote for BUSH over Romney. That is how bad I despise that man. And no, it is not because he is Mormon. I really just can't stand him. And as far as the education system goes, it is already messed up beyond repair... we'd need a superpresident to fix it. I dunno. It is still far too early to say who I will actually end up voting for.
And I DEFINATELY Won't vote for Obama... Obama changes who he is depending on who he is around... he has been known to campaign besides all sorts of sexists, bigots, and homophobes. I really dunno about Obama. He seems kinda shady to me.
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And I DEFINATELY Won't vote for Obama... Obama changes who he is depending on who he is around... he has been known to campaign besides all sorts of sexists, bigots, and homophobes.
citation needed.
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Well, here is a small article on HRC about his involvement with the Southern Baptist's Gospel Tour.
http://www.hrc.org/7949.htm
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Well, here is a small article on HRC about his involvement with the Southern Baptist's Gospel Tour.
http://www.hrc.org/7949.htm
Hmm, interesting read. what I gathered though was that he's not necessarily supporting the one homophobic singer on the tour, but more so trying to open communication with people of different viewpoints, one of the main points of his campaign.
and I was about to hit you until I realized you didn't mean Hillary Rodham Clinton. XD
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Lulz I never even mentioned her in my post you nut XD
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Lulz I never even mentioned her in my post you nut XD
HRC is a common abbreviation. :P
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Oh hahaha. Screw Hillary. She was digging up an essay that Obama wrote in second grade or something apparently... that women is desperate.
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Oh hahaha. Screw Hillary. She was digging up an essay that Obama wrote in second grade or something apparently... that women is desperate.
*rolls around on the floor laughing*
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Oh hahaha. Screw Hillary. She was digging up an essay that Obama wrote in second grade or something apparently... that women is desperate.
I have heard that it was from the 3rd grade...but I have heard more times that it was Kindagarten soooo....lol
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Well... she'd be the first lady in the Clinto administration to sit behind the desk instead of under it! Har har harrrrrrr!
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Well... she'd be the first lady in the Clinto administration to sit behind the desk instead of under it! Har har harrrrrrr!
Didn't you say this joke before?
lol
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Well... she'd be the first lady in the Clinto administration to sit behind the desk instead of under it! Har har harrrrrrr!
Didn't you say this joke before?
lol
"Why are you all laughing? Mr. Jordan just told the same joke 30 minutes ago."
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Didn't you say this joke before?
lol
I don't think so :huh:
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Obama
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I am voting for Cthulhu Fhtagn... why vote for a lesser evil?!?!
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I'm voting for Ron Paul.
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I'm voting for Ron Paul.
In situations where you should be liberal, Ron Paul's conservative, and where you should be conservative, Ron Paul's liberal.
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I'm not going to vote probably.
I'm socialist and despite TRYING to find someone who I agree with, I can't even find anyone who has views that accurately reflect mine.
>.>
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A socialist? Lulz.
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A socialist? Lulz.
Socialism is a good form of government. It just takes a lot of work to achieve it. And people tend to be power hungry so it's hard for those used to governments that promote individuals to leadership positions to grasp the concept and see where it really works.
But that's an entirely different debate.
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I'm not going to vote probably.
I'm socialist and despite TRYING to find someone who I agree with, I can't even find anyone who has views that accurately reflect mine.
>.>
commie.
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I'm not going to vote probably.
I'm socialist and despite TRYING to find someone who I agree with, I can't even find anyone who has views that accurately reflect mine.
>.>
commie.
/me kills Kevin
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Well, there goes Biden, Dodd, and Gravel.
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Man, I was pushing for Gravel =(
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Well, I can't vote yet.
Hilary definetly shouldn't be considered. She hasn't done dolphin noise for Ny, she went around campaigning and trying to make herself look good. I agree that her and Bill's sex life have nothing to do with the fact that she should be elected or not. She is just fake. That's the end of it. I mean sure women may get more rights with a women president, such as equal pay and such, but having her just isn't worth it. She only cares about herself.
As for Obama. He does seem a little shady, but I think he would do better then Hilary. It's quite amusing. When the presidential voting comes mainly down to a white women and a black man. I never thought I'd see the day. I am glad though. I would have to say Obama would be the better choice. He doesn't seem as fake as Hilary, and ultimately I think it would be good for the country to have a black president.
Women get all spaztastic and emotional, and I just don't like women that much. She seems too power hungry to me. But it's whatever. That's my views on it.
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Ron Paul 2008! B)
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Ron Paul 2008! B)
what are you doing here! :P
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Well, I can't vote yet.
Hilary definetly shouldn't be considered. She hasn't done dolphin noise for Ny, she went around campaigning and trying to make herself look good. I agree that her and Bill's sex life have nothing to do with the fact that she should be elected or not. She is just fake. That's the end of it. I mean sure women may get more rights with a women president, such as equal pay and such, but having her just isn't worth it. She only cares about herself.
As for Obama. He does seem a little shady, but I think he would do better then Hilary. It's quite amusing. When the presidential voting comes mainly down to a white women and a black man. I never thought I'd see the day. I am glad though. I would have to say Obama would be the better choice. He doesn't seem as fake as Hilary, and ultimately I think it would be good for the country to have a black president.
Women get all spaztastic and emotional, and I just don't like women that much. She seems too power hungry to me. But it's whatever. That's my views on it.
I don't really like Hilary, all right I almost hate her. She reminds me of a bitchy soccer mom, or that teacher that everyone hated.
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It's amazing how infamous Hillary is in this election... you either love her or hate her. There seems to be no middle ground. My biggest fear with her is her husband being a backseat president of sorts... you know, pretty much I can imagine him pretty much pushing Hillary to the side and presidenting everything himself.
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It's amazing how infamous Hillary is in this election... you either love her or hate her. There seems to be no middle ground. My biggest fear with her is her husband being a backseat president of sorts... you know, pretty much I can imagine him pretty much pushing Hillary to the side and presidenting everything himself.
that would be a GOOD thing. I don't know if you remember, but Bill Clinton was a good President. :P
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No...
That is what Hillary did when HE was president... XD
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It's all about change, guys.
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It's all about change, guys.
You mean Hilary's sex change?
I'm sorry for such a terrible joke. The opportunity was so ripe.
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It's all about change, guys.
You mean Hilary's sex change?
I'm sorry for such a terrible joke. The opportunity was so ripe.
Nice one Liz. *High Five*
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Liz... I am so glad I Lesbian married you ^_^
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Hilary Clinton
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why obama will win
http://obamathebuilder.ytmnd.com/
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He used the bob the builder theme in a campaign????
Is that epic win or epic fail??
o.o
Either way it is funny.
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Honestly I'm going for Obama.
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Obama...hands down....
I don't trust Hillary, shes made up a bunch of bull crap over the past.
Also I don't think she knows what the dolphin noise is going on...
Oh, John McCain? He's just a jackass....
But thats just me...
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Im just going to write my name in.
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I don't like how Obama's moving to the center for political gain. Just when I thought there was a presidential nominee who wouldn't play tricks...
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Well as of late my poltical leanings have changed, I am no longer a liberal...I'm now a Libertarian Moderate, and I say screw you to both McCain and Obama...I would vote for Ron Paul, but theres too many social things I disagree with him on...well I'm still only 16 anyway so it doesn't even modern.
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Ugh. I hate this election. I'll vote for McCain, but only because I can't afford Obama. I dislike both candidates.
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Ugh. I hate this election. I'll vote for McCain, but only because I can't afford Obama. I dislike both candidates.
...what?
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What, what?
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Ugh. I hate this election. I'll vote for McCain, but only because I can't afford Obama. I dislike both candidates.
Can't afford Obama?
:unsure:
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I think she's under the misconception that Obama plans on raising her taxes.
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LOL, he IS going to raise taxes. He's already said so. I was actually going to vote for him before he said that (believe it!). If taxes get raised anymore I am in big trouble. I lose my house, and I gotta quit school and performing. And before anyone says "It's only for the rich", technically my family is the rich. And we can barely pay our bills and eat. I'm not even exaggerating. Sometimes I go to bed hungry just to save food for the rest of the family so there is enough until the next paycheck.
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Especially during what ever you want to call the current state of the economy raising taxes would be a bad Idea since we need more money floating around in our economy. And I’m kinda upset that my school is raising its tuition $90 a quarter, which bites.
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I was actually going to vote for him before he said that (believe it!).
I doubt that.
honestly.
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http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2008/08/25/daily76.html
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/06/obama_promotes.html
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/18/366812.aspx
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_new_stitch_in_a_bad_pattern.html